Anonymous
Post 10/01/2024 14:32     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:The US really went down the toilet starting March 10, 2000 when NASDAQ started it’s plunge with dot com bubble popping leading into 9/11 in 2001 then financial crisis in 2008.

But in reality it first started down with the high interest rates and high gas prices of 1970s and early 1980s. The first cracks I say were hippies in the late 1960s.

America was truly great post WWII to around 1967. We also had a stretch from around 1985 to 1999 where things were decent.



2000 is when the decline accelerated. You had the Iraqi War and Citizens United. John Roberts is disgusting.
Anonymous
Post 10/01/2024 14:22     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:I know you love unions. However, unions price themselves right out of business. They demand pay that's unrealistic.

Just look at many of our domestic car companies. The workers demand X pay. Meanwhile, the consumer gets sticker shock and stops purchasing cars, so lots of unsold cars sit for months or longer. The car manufacturers have literally put a bunch of features on cars that people don't want, to raise the price so they can pay the union's wage demands.

Meanwhile a car company halfway around the world can bring you a lower cost product even with shipping it here. Guess where the consumer is going?

How the hell do you expect to demand a certain wage when people stop purchasing your product altogether? Where do you think your pay comes from?


You're right. Let's just keep paying CEOs 300 times the pay of the average worke, and give them tax cuts too!
Anonymous
Post 10/01/2024 14:21     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:They think Leave it to Beaver was real and there is this imaginary post-war 50s utopia they can go back to.

Pure fantasy.


You mean it wasn't?
Anonymous
Post 10/01/2024 14:18     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:This is the last time:
9/14/2001 when W united the country with a bullhorn. It did get highly partisan after this and has progressively gotten worse to this day because of morons in both parties.
It shouldn't take a terrorist attack for this sentiment and patriotism to happen more frequently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkvsjOEzhzQ


I honestly thought that covid was going to unite our country again. Trump very easily could have handled the crisis as Bush did and breezed into a second term. Instead, he did everything he could to stoke the division.

Anonymous
Post 09/30/2024 04:48     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
"lots" as in car lots full of cars.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2024 04:47     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
I know you love unions. However, unions price themselves right out of business. They demand pay that's unrealistic.

Just look at many of our domestic car companies. The workers demand X pay. Meanwhile, the consumer gets sticker shock and stops purchasing cars, so lots of unsold cars sit for months or longer. The car manufacturers have literally put a bunch of features on cars that people don't want, to raise the price so they can pay the union's wage demands.

Meanwhile a car company halfway around the world can bring you a lower cost product even with shipping it here. Guess where the consumer is going?

How the hell do you expect to demand a certain wage when people stop purchasing your product altogether? Where do you think your pay comes from?
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2024 02:22     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
What's funny is a lot of people think of MAGAs seem to think America was at its greatest in WWII and the postwar years when capitalism was much more regulated, taxes on the wealthy were much higher than today, labor rights were stronger, many more workers belonged to unions.

A lot of MAGAs aren't really economic conservatives at all even if they are social and cultural conservatives.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2024 01:56     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:I suspect it was in the 1880s. No women's rights, no black rights (to speak of) after reconstruction was over, no workers rights and the heyday of the robber barons was beginning.

That seems to be about what they’re interested in.
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2024 17:28     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
I suspect it was in the 1880s. No women's rights, no black rights (to speak of) after reconstruction was over, no workers rights and the heyday of the robber barons was beginning.
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2024 15:24     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Gas $2.15 a gallon
Strong economy
Low inflation
Low unemployment
Secure borders

I dont consider myself "maga" I just use common sense to answer your question op. You could have done the same.


Gas was last at $2.15 a gallon in 2005. Now it is $3.50, which is an increase of 63%.

The median annual net pay was $24K in 2005. Now it is $45K, which is an increase of 87%.

So a gallon of gas has become less expensive since 2005 measured relative to net pay.


This is so disingenuous. Life is so much more expensive today than 5 years ago and no, my pay did not increase to match inflation.

But wouldn't the GOP say that's your fault for failing to haul yourself up by the bootstraps?


No. The GOP is fiscally liberal and socially conservative.


Exactly.

"The Republican Party claims to be “the party of maximum economic freedom and the prosperity that freedom makes possible.” However, an analysis of economic performance since World War II under Democratic versus Republican presidents strongly suggests that claims that Republicans are better at managing the economy are simply not true. While the reasons are neither fully understood nor completely attributable to policy choices, data show that the economy has performed much better during Democratic administrations. Economic growth, job creation and industrial production have all been stronger."

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/309cc8e1-b971-45c6-ab52-29ffb1da9bf5/jec-fact-sheet---the-economy-under-democratic-vs.-republican-presidents-june-2016.pdf
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2024 12:31     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Gas $2.15 a gallon
Strong economy
Low inflation
Low unemployment
Secure borders

I dont consider myself "maga" I just use common sense to answer your question op. You could have done the same.


You hit the nail on the head -- common sense has left the building. Between that and unregulated/uncontrolled social media we are doomed.


+1 That and people don't take care of themselves and their homes anymore. Like they just don't care.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2024 09:45     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:Gas $2.15 a gallon
Strong economy
Low inflation
Low unemployment
Secure borders

I dont consider myself "maga" I just use common sense to answer your question op. You could have done the same.


Low inflation
Low unemployment --it is tricky to have both of these at the same time, and has only happened a few times since the 1950s re-industrialization of the US. So I guess we could have WWIII followed by a decade of a strong economy with low unemployment and inflation
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2024 09:37     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:Simple, the US was better when it didn't spend $1 trillion more than it taxes every 90 days. like now.

Your numbers are incorrect.
FY 2023 spending 6.16 trillion
revenue 4.47
difference per quarter about 400B

Where does it go?
2.2 SS and Medicare
2.1 goes back to the states
1.13 national defense

federal revenues are below the amounts projected by the Trump tax cuts (which were below the projections before the cuts). Although GOP version is that revenue reached record highs, which is reminiscent of Trump's claim that he won because he got more votes than any presidential candidate got in any previous election (even though Biden got more votes than him)






Anonymous
Post 09/25/2024 08:41     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Simple, the US was better when it didn't spend $1 trillion more than it taxes every 90 days. like now.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2024 01:29     Subject: Re:MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Probably 1491.