Anonymous
08/13/2024 17:12
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:
If a public school coach (i.e. public school employee) has a financial interest in that club, it sounds like official corruption. I would love to see one of these litigious Arlington parents take that approach
This absolutely happened with the Yorktown baseball team. The long-time varsity coach owns PrimeTime, a baseball training facility that also has its own club teams. It is well known that if you want to do well at Yorktown, you need to play (and pay) PrimeTime. This coach retired from Yorktown a year ago but this relationship went on for years. Many (most?) of the current Yorktown coaches also coach at PrimeTime and it's still a pipeline to the Yorktown team.
Anonymous
08/13/2024 17:02
Subject: Re:Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Juniors shouldn’t be playing JV.
Why not?
JV is for freshman and sophomores. Not juniors. Unless there is some weird dynamic that all the varsity players are seniors.
Because if you can't make varisty junior, then you likely won't make it as a senior (or must be at that back end of the bench as a token ). Regardless of what many think on here, playing sports has many functions with the biggest one winning. Sorry if that offends anyone here but it is the truth. Part of winning is developing players on the varsity level (that includes having talented kids playing on the JV to step up in roles on varsity). One aspect of developing players is to get kids playing experience. All things being equal if a coach has to decide between playing a sophomore or a senior that just made the team as a senior for key playing time. 98% of the time that coach is going to go with the sophomore. There is more to gain by that player getting time in key moments that can be used in future years.
No where in any policy does it state that JV is for freshmen and sophomores.
Anonymous
08/13/2024 16:33
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Except that's not the rule.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For putting multiple 8th graders on Arlington County high school JV teams (not even freshman teams!) and bumping hardworking sophomores/juniors who now can’t play for their *actual* school.
13-year-olds shouldn’t be on a high school JV team when there are only 12 spots.
And shame on the coaches for enabling this.
ITA. This is when many Sophomore/Junior players start recruiting and the JV high school coaches should have used more common sense.
Do many juniors who play JV and are worse than 8th graders get recruited? This is a surprise to me.
Exactly. If an 8th grader beats out a 9/10th grader, then it's an unlikely that kid will get in front of a recruiter. And what recruiters go to JV games anyway?
Full disclosure: my DD was an 8th grader on a JV softball team at YHS. I do think it's odd that they aren't restricted to the freshman team if there is one, but it just sounds like a lot of sour grapes. The 8th graders that came after my DD were a killer group and we knew that some of them would make varsity ahead of her.
No dog in this fight but 8th graders are not high schoolers. They by rule should be barred from playing.
DP. We all know this. PP is saying "should be", in other words, the rule should bar 8th graders.
Anonymous
08/13/2024 15:52
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Except that's not the rule.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For putting multiple 8th graders on Arlington County high school JV teams (not even freshman teams!) and bumping hardworking sophomores/juniors who now can’t play for their *actual* school.
13-year-olds shouldn’t be on a high school JV team when there are only 12 spots.
And shame on the coaches for enabling this.
ITA. This is when many Sophomore/Junior players start recruiting and the JV high school coaches should have used more common sense.
Do many juniors who play JV and are worse than 8th graders get recruited? This is a surprise to me.
Exactly. If an 8th grader beats out a 9/10th grader, then it's an unlikely that kid will get in front of a recruiter. And what recruiters go to JV games anyway?
Full disclosure: my DD was an 8th grader on a JV softball team at YHS. I do think it's odd that they aren't restricted to the freshman team if there is one, but it just sounds like a lot of sour grapes. The 8th graders that came after my DD were a killer group and we knew that some of them would make varsity ahead of her.
No dog in this fight but 8th graders are not high schoolers. They by rule should be barred from playing.
Anonymous
08/13/2024 13:56
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For putting multiple 8th graders on Arlington County high school JV teams (not even freshman teams!) and bumping hardworking sophomores/juniors who now can’t play for their *actual* school.
13-year-olds shouldn’t be on a high school JV team when there are only 12 spots.
And shame on the coaches for enabling this.
ITA. This is when many Sophomore/Junior players start recruiting and the JV high school coaches should have used more common sense.
Do many juniors who play JV and are worse than 8th graders get recruited? This is a surprise to me.
Exactly. If an 8th grader beats out a 9/10th grader, then it's an unlikely that kid will get in front of a recruiter. And what recruiters go to JV games anyway?
Full disclosure: my DD was an 8th grader on a JV softball team at YHS. I do think it's odd that they aren't restricted to the freshman team if there is one, but it just sounds like a lot of sour grapes. The 8th graders that came after my DD were a killer group and we knew that some of them would make varsity ahead of her.
No dog in this fight but 8th graders are not high schoolers. They by rule should be barred from playing.
Anonymous
08/13/2024 13:53
Subject: Re:Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Juniors shouldn’t be playing JV.
Why not?
If you can't make varsity by junior year, you probably aren't good enough
If they are good enough to play JV, why shouldn't they be able to play JV if they want to?
Listen, I get what you're saying, but there is an argument to be made that HS JV isn't just a training ground for the next year's varsity players, but also an opportunity for any student to participate in a sport/activity that they are good enough to make the team in.
Because JV is supposed to be where kids prepare for varsity
Anonymous
08/13/2024 13:39
Subject: Re:Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Juniors shouldn’t be playing JV.
Why not?
If you can't make varsity by junior year, you probably aren't good enough
If they are good enough to play JV, why shouldn't they be able to play JV if they want to?
Listen, I get what you're saying, but there is an argument to be made that HS JV isn't just a training ground for the next year's varsity players, but also an opportunity for any student to participate in a sport/activity that they are good enough to make the team in.
Anonymous
08/13/2024 13:36
Subject: Re:Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Juniors shouldn’t be playing JV.
Why not?
JV is for freshman and sophomores. Not juniors. Unless there is some weird dynamic that all the varsity players are seniors.
Because if you can't make varisty junior, then you likely won't make it as a senior (or must be at that back end of the bench as a token ). Regardless of what many think on here, playing sports has many functions with the biggest one winning. Sorry if that offends anyone here but it is the truth. Part of winning is developing players on the varsity level (that includes having talented kids playing on the JV to step up in roles on varsity). One aspect of developing players is to get kids playing experience. All things being equal if a coach has to decide between playing a sophomore or a senior that just made the team as a senior for key playing time. 98% of the time that coach is going to go with the sophomore. There is more to gain by that player getting time in key moments that can be used in future years.
Anonymous
08/13/2024 13:18
Subject: Re:Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Juniors shouldn’t be playing JV.
Why not?
If you can't make varsity by junior year, you probably aren't good enough
Anonymous
08/13/2024 13:18
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The reason is to let more kids in HS play. Some schools in VA did not have enough players to field a JV team. Before this VHSL exception for 8th graders, they'd have to elimitate the entire JV team in that case- which results in fewer HS players playing since they had no team to play on if Varsity was full. Allowing an 8th grader or 2 to fill the gaps lets more HS players play. NOW it's being used as a recuriting pipeline/win at all costs so fewer HS students are playing b/c they were displaced by a middle schooler.
VHSL could have stated in the rules that "NO MS should be on the team unless there are not enough HS players on the JV team". But it does NOT, so it must thinks that some 8th graders can compete with HS kids.
That's why parents need to contact the VHSL board and explain how the rule is being used as a loophole. A link to the members was posted a few pages back.
Good luck with that. I know several people from McLean HS contacted the VHSL board back in 2015 about this rule, and nothing was done.
So no one else should try? Poor attitude. That's not how change is made.
I am not saying that no one should try. It would take money and time to challenge VHSL in court to possibly get it done. Folks in McLean had the resources, and they couldn't get it done in 2015 (I don't know how far they went), so it is very telling.
How/why were the McLean parents trying to change the rules? B/c they didnt like their JV/freshman teams losing to YT and W&L? I would think that an argument from APS parents would hold far more weight than sour grapes from FCPS parents.
I also think that you would have a far better chance of getting APS to adopt the FCPS policy than getting VHSL to change theirs.
Anonymous
08/13/2024 13:16
Subject: Re:Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Juniors shouldn’t be playing JV.
Why not?
Anonymous
08/13/2024 11:16
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For putting multiple 8th graders on Arlington County high school JV teams (not even freshman teams!) and bumping hardworking sophomores/juniors who now can’t play for their *actual* school.
13-year-olds shouldn’t be on a high school JV team when there are only 12 spots.
And shame on the coaches for enabling this.
ITA. This is when many Sophomore/Junior players start recruiting and the JV high school coaches should have used more common sense.
Do many juniors who play JV and are worse than 8th graders get recruited? This is a surprise to me.
Exactly. If an 8th grader beats out a 9/10th grader, then it's an unlikely that kid will get in front of a recruiter. And what recruiters go to JV games anyway?
Full disclosure: my DD was an 8th grader on a JV softball team at YHS. I do think it's odd that they aren't restricted to the freshman team if there is one, but it just sounds like a lot of sour grapes. The 8th graders that came after my DD were a killer group and we knew that some of them would make varsity ahead of her.
Anonymous
08/13/2024 09:35
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For putting multiple 8th graders on Arlington County high school JV teams (not even freshman teams!) and bumping hardworking sophomores/juniors who now can’t play for their *actual* school.
13-year-olds shouldn’t be on a high school JV team when there are only 12 spots.
And shame on the coaches for enabling this.
ITA. This is when many Sophomore/Junior players start recruiting and the JV high school coaches should have used more common sense.
Do many juniors who play JV and are worse than 8th graders get recruited? This is a surprise to me.
Actually, 8th graders playing in high school have a good chance of being recruited for high school
Especially for privates.
Anonymous
08/13/2024 09:34
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Those of you who -only- value winning, and whatever it takes, are missing-out on some wonderful aspects of team sports and camaraderie.
It's high school. These are high schoolers. Let high school be for high schoolers.
JV teams with 8th graders would miss out on the undefined "wonderful aspects of team sports and camaraderie?
Actual HS students would miss out if 8th graders are filling up freshman and JV teams, yes.
Anonymous
08/13/2024 09:33
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For putting multiple 8th graders on Arlington County high school JV teams (not even freshman teams!) and bumping hardworking sophomores/juniors who now can’t play for their *actual* school.
13-year-olds shouldn’t be on a high school JV team when there are only 12 spots.
And shame on the coaches for enabling this.
ITA. This is when many Sophomore/Junior players start recruiting and the JV high school coaches should have used more common sense.
Do many juniors who play JV and are worse than 8th graders get recruited? This is a surprise to me.
Actually, 8th graders playing in high school have a good chance of being recruited for high school