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Post 08/04/2024 12:19     Subject: Re:Trump says he's agreed to Fox debate while Harris sticks with ABC plan

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Anonymous wrote:Will there be a live audience at the debate?

There will be no live audience, a request from Biden’s campaign to avoid giving Trump the chance to play to the crowd.

How will microphone control work during the debate?

To prevent interruptions, candidates' microphones will be muted when it isn't their turn to speak, an effort to curb Trump's tendency to interrupt.

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/biden-trump-debate-rules-2024.amp

The Biden-Trump debate had rules Biden insisted upon; Trump should not be held to any rules he negotiated with Biden.

Step up Kamala. Show us you are not afraid.


He can't debate without interrupting and a live audience? Then he should find a different job then being president.


Why won’t Kamala commit to the debate?


She did but not on lying Fox. They do not get to spew lies about the 2020 election and then get a debate for 2024. Lying actually has consequences.


The entire MSM lied about the health of the president of the United States and colluded with the DNC to keep the American people from finding out the president was deteriorating mentally and physically.


Prove it and get your big fat settlement in court.


If Trump is so old, has dementia, can’t speak or think, why doesn’t Kamala show up
to the debate and show the difference between the two candidates? She was a prosecutor and says Trump is the kind of person she’s used to dealing with. She should have be able to destroy Trump in front of the American people easily.


She should not do that on fox. They screw over the viewers with their lies and the candidates should refuse to debate on such a network.


Trump went on CNN; why can’t Kamala go on Fox? A president should be able to speak to everyone.


Did CNN lose an 800 million dollar court case about lying?


Kamala is a former prosecutor. She knows how to handle bad guys. If she gets elected she will be America’s president and deal with heads of state who also lie. Putin? She can handle a debate at Fox, can’t she?


The don't deserve the debate. She will crush him on a different network.


She should be able to crush him on any network.




You keep missing the point that lying has consequences and fox does not deserve this debate. Too bad fox. You should have thought about that during your last lying election coverage.


Your opinion about Fox news isn’t reality. This isn’t about Fox news. Kamala should be able to hand Trump his ass anytime, anywhere. If she shows up on Fox and destroys Trump she will win the election and destroy Trump forever. It would be epic.


Likewise, Trump should be able to hand Harris het ass anytime, anywhere. But he obviously can't, because he's running scared to his Fox sycophants, and making up phony excuses about conflicts of interests.


Democrats don’t get to choose every debate venue and all the rules. Trump and Biden made agreements for 2 debates. Biden was forced out by his party. Trump is allowed to choose a venue and some rules, too.



the iunderlined conflicts with the bolded

Also, the Trump-Vance campaign negotiated with the Biden-Harris Campaign. Biden is not there anymore, but Harris is.

Ergo, the result of the deal Trump negotiated stands.


What makes you believe you personally make decisions about the debate? Do tell.


Somebody else is telling Donald J Trump where to go and when? Who's his boss???


Putin and thus Semion Mogilevich.


Putin said he wanted Biden to win. Trump sold ukraine javelins, the javelins Obama was scared to sell ukraine because he knew it would anger Putin. Putin took land under Obama and Biden but not Trump.


Putin was gaslighting.
Trump "sold" Ukraine Javelins but with the stipulation they remain in the western part of the country,a way from Donbas and Crimea, you know, where the Russian tanks were at the time.

He also tried to blackmail the Ukrainian president for a personal favor. He then instructed the GOP not to provide support to Ukraine and had Tuberville withhold key military promotions.

Understand the full breadth of circumstances and not solely the narrative from Trump is kind of important.


Good grief.
Seems you are writing your own version of events. We cannot take you seriously.


What did I write that was false? I can provide sourcing for everything I wrote.

Example;

https://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-leaving-out-key-detail-trump-javelin-sale-to-ukraine-2019-11

Under the rules of the sale, the Javelin missiles have to be stored in western Ukraine, which is far from the frontlines of the ongoing conflict in the eastern part of the country (the Donbas region) against pro-Russia separatists.



So you are denying ukraine used the javelins?

Please cite a source that says the javelins were not used.

The javelins had to be stored away from any russian claimed territory. They are defensive weapons only. Any use of javelins on russian territory would cause an escalation of war and give russians the right to strike directly at the US.

Now cite that javelins were never used in ukraine, that they were sold by Trump and only stored.


Thanks for moving the goalposts. Again, nothing I posted was false.


“The Trump administration first approved the sale of Javelins to Ukraine in December 2017 -- a step that former President Barack Obama never took and that Trump allies have pointed to as a sign of Trump's toughness on Russia. Ukraine has been fighting Russian-armed and led separatists in its eastern provinces since 2014, shortly after Russia illegally occupied and annexed Crimea, in a war that has claimed approximately 13,000 lives and displaced 1.5 million people, according to the Ukrainian government.

That first sale, which was completed in March 2018, included 210 Javelin missiles and 37 launch units and was intended to "help Ukraine build its long-term defense capacity to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity in order to meet its national defense requirements," according to the Defense Security Cooperation Agency.“
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/trump-admin-approves-sale-anti-tank-weapons-ukraine/story?id=65989898


U.S.-made Javelin missiles are ‘vital’ to Ukraine’s fight against Russia, experts say

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna20878


“The Javelin antitank missiles that figured in former President Donald Trump’s first impeachment for deliberately delaying military aid to Ukraine are now wreaking havoc on the Russian invaders.

The lightweight but lethal weapon has, military experts said, helped the underdog Ukrainians inflict major damage on Moscow’s much-vaunted military and stymie their advance.


Not only has the United States-made weapon become a symbol of resistance, it’s been dubbed “Saint Javelin” in a meme circulating on the web created by Canadian marketer Christian Borys, which shows Mary Magdalene, a saint of the Orthodox church, cradling a Javelin in her arms.

“The Javelin, very specifically that system’s advanced capabilities, have been vital to Ukrainian military survival and ability to hold ground” against the Russians, said John Spencer, chair of urban warfare studies at the nonpartisan Madison Policy Forum in New York City.”

The javelin were not being stored away indefinitely.


The thing you put in red happened WHEN BIDEN WAS PRESIDENT.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2024 12:17     Subject: Trump says he's agreed to Fox debate while Harris sticks with ABC plan

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Anonymous wrote:So what I'm hearing is we won't get an actual debate.
Each side will claim that the other side is scared.
Each candidate will have an hour to sell their platform on their respective network. Unchallenged and in fact checked.

Brilliant.





+1 . This thread is great evidence of that. This independent voter is over it already.


Harris hasn't even been invited to the September 4th debate. She was told to be there by Trump via Twitter.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2024 12:17     Subject: Trump says he's agreed to Fox debate while Harris sticks with ABC plan

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Anonymous wrote:The only point Trump has is that he’s running scared. 🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓


+1 million!


Trump was running scared from Biden too, according to dcum.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2024 12:13     Subject: Re:Trump says he's agreed to Fox debate while Harris sticks with ABC plan

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Anonymous wrote:Will there be a live audience at the debate?

There will be no live audience, a request from Biden’s campaign to avoid giving Trump the chance to play to the crowd.

How will microphone control work during the debate?

To prevent interruptions, candidates' microphones will be muted when it isn't their turn to speak, an effort to curb Trump's tendency to interrupt.

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/biden-trump-debate-rules-2024.amp

The Biden-Trump debate had rules Biden insisted upon; Trump should not be held to any rules he negotiated with Biden.

Step up Kamala. Show us you are not afraid.


He can't debate without interrupting and a live audience? Then he should find a different job then being president.


Why won’t Kamala commit to the debate?


She did but not on lying Fox. They do not get to spew lies about the 2020 election and then get a debate for 2024. Lying actually has consequences.


The entire MSM lied about the health of the president of the United States and colluded with the DNC to keep the American people from finding out the president was deteriorating mentally and physically.


Prove it and get your big fat settlement in court.


If Trump is so old, has dementia, can’t speak or think, why doesn’t Kamala show up
to the debate and show the difference between the two candidates? She was a prosecutor and says Trump is the kind of person she’s used to dealing with. She should have be able to destroy Trump in front of the American people easily.


She should not do that on fox. They screw over the viewers with their lies and the candidates should refuse to debate on such a network.


Trump went on CNN; why can’t Kamala go on Fox? A president should be able to speak to everyone.


Did CNN lose an 800 million dollar court case about lying?


Kamala is a former prosecutor. She knows how to handle bad guys. If she gets elected she will be America’s president and deal with heads of state who also lie. Putin? She can handle a debate at Fox, can’t she?


The don't deserve the debate. She will crush him on a different network.


She should be able to crush him on any network.




You keep missing the point that lying has consequences and fox does not deserve this debate. Too bad fox. You should have thought about that during your last lying election coverage.


Your opinion about Fox news isn’t reality. This isn’t about Fox news. Kamala should be able to hand Trump his ass anytime, anywhere. If she shows up on Fox and destroys Trump she will win the election and destroy Trump forever. It would be epic.


Likewise, Trump should be able to hand Harris het ass anytime, anywhere. But he obviously can't, because he's running scared to his Fox sycophants, and making up phony excuses about conflicts of interests.


Democrats don’t get to choose every debate venue and all the rules. Trump and Biden made agreements for 2 debates. Biden was forced out by his party. Trump is allowed to choose a venue and some rules, too.



the iunderlined conflicts with the bolded

Also, the Trump-Vance campaign negotiated with the Biden-Harris Campaign. Biden is not there anymore, but Harris is.

Ergo, the result of the deal Trump negotiated stands.


Old man Trump is just chicken and trying to back out.


That’s why he’s proposing a debate. He’s chicken. You are the King or Queen of Logic.


Having a debate at a Trump rally is not a debate.


Oh so you’re saying only Trump can get an audience full of people to show up for a rally? Weird.


That is essentially what Trump is proposing - a Trump platform, Trump moderators and Trump audience.


He is actually proposing a debate with Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum as moderators. If you think they are “Trump moderators” you have not seen their work.

Baier is as full of Trump sh|t as everyone else at Fox, as exposed by his emails publicized by the Dominion lawsuit.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2024 12:12     Subject: Trump says he's agreed to Fox debate while Harris sticks with ABC plan

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Anonymous wrote:So what I'm hearing is we won't get an actual debate.
Each side will claim that the other side is scared.
Each candidate will have an hour to sell their platform on their respective network. Unchallenged and in fact checked.

Brilliant.




Enough with the both sides nonsense. If Trump wants to debate, why is he shying away from the original agreed-to debate platform on ABC? Harris is ready to debate him as originally scheduled.



Yes both sides Both sides are behaving like 5 year olds. You are so far up your side that you can't see it.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2024 12:11     Subject: Trump says he's agreed to Fox debate while Harris sticks with ABC plan

Anonymous wrote:The only point Trump has is that he’s running scared. 🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓


+1 million!
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2024 12:10     Subject: Trump says he's agreed to Fox debate while Harris sticks with ABC plan

Anonymous wrote:So what I'm hearing is we won't get an actual debate.
Each side will claim that the other side is scared.
Each candidate will have an hour to sell their platform on their respective network. Unchallenged and in fact checked.

Brilliant.





+1 . This thread is great evidence of that. This independent voter is over it already.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2024 12:09     Subject: Re:Trump says he's agreed to Fox debate while Harris sticks with ABC plan

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Anonymous wrote:Will there be a live audience at the debate?

There will be no live audience, a request from Biden’s campaign to avoid giving Trump the chance to play to the crowd.

How will microphone control work during the debate?

To prevent interruptions, candidates' microphones will be muted when it isn't their turn to speak, an effort to curb Trump's tendency to interrupt.

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/biden-trump-debate-rules-2024.amp

The Biden-Trump debate had rules Biden insisted upon; Trump should not be held to any rules he negotiated with Biden.

Step up Kamala. Show us you are not afraid.


He can't debate without interrupting and a live audience? Then he should find a different job then being president.


Why won’t Kamala commit to the debate?


She did but not on lying Fox. They do not get to spew lies about the 2020 election and then get a debate for 2024. Lying actually has consequences.


The entire MSM lied about the health of the president of the United States and colluded with the DNC to keep the American people from finding out the president was deteriorating mentally and physically.


Prove it and get your big fat settlement in court.


If Trump is so old, has dementia, can’t speak or think, why doesn’t Kamala show up
to the debate and show the difference between the two candidates? She was a prosecutor and says Trump is the kind of person she’s used to dealing with. She should have be able to destroy Trump in front of the American people easily.


She should not do that on fox. They screw over the viewers with their lies and the candidates should refuse to debate on such a network.


Trump went on CNN; why can’t Kamala go on Fox? A president should be able to speak to everyone.


Did CNN lose an 800 million dollar court case about lying?


Kamala is a former prosecutor. She knows how to handle bad guys. If she gets elected she will be America’s president and deal with heads of state who also lie. Putin? She can handle a debate at Fox, can’t she?


The don't deserve the debate. She will crush him on a different network.


She should be able to crush him on any network.




You keep missing the point that lying has consequences and fox does not deserve this debate. Too bad fox. You should have thought about that during your last lying election coverage.


Your opinion about Fox news isn’t reality. This isn’t about Fox news. Kamala should be able to hand Trump his ass anytime, anywhere. If she shows up on Fox and destroys Trump she will win the election and destroy Trump forever. It would be epic.


Likewise, Trump should be able to hand Harris het ass anytime, anywhere. But he obviously can't, because he's running scared to his Fox sycophants, and making up phony excuses about conflicts of interests.


Democrats don’t get to choose every debate venue and all the rules. Trump and Biden made agreements for 2 debates. Biden was forced out by his party. Trump is allowed to choose a venue and some rules, too.



the iunderlined conflicts with the bolded

Also, the Trump-Vance campaign negotiated with the Biden-Harris Campaign. Biden is not there anymore, but Harris is.

Ergo, the result of the deal Trump negotiated stands.


What makes you believe you personally make decisions about the debate? Do tell.


Somebody else is telling Donald J Trump where to go and when? Who's his boss???


Putin and thus Semion Mogilevich.


Putin said he wanted Biden to win. Trump sold ukraine javelins, the javelins Obama was scared to sell ukraine because he knew it would anger Putin. Putin took land under Obama and Biden but not Trump.


Putin was gaslighting.
Trump "sold" Ukraine Javelins but with the stipulation they remain in the western part of the country,a way from Donbas and Crimea, you know, where the Russian tanks were at the time.

He also tried to blackmail the Ukrainian president for a personal favor. He then instructed the GOP not to provide support to Ukraine and had Tuberville withhold key military promotions.

Understand the full breadth of circumstances and not solely the narrative from Trump is kind of important.


Donbas and Crimea were claimed by russia.

Ukraine could not take Javelin into russian claimed territory and use them against russian tanks as that would have caused WWIII. If ukrainians had done so, russia/Putin would’ve had the right/excuse to strike the US on American soil. That is specifically why Obama refused to sell Ukraine javelin.

The javelin could not and still cannot be used on any soil russia claims as their land. Javelin are to be used on ukrainian territory only for defense.
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Post 08/04/2024 12:04     Subject: Re:Trump says he's agreed to Fox debate while Harris sticks with ABC plan

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Anonymous wrote:Will there be a live audience at the debate?

There will be no live audience, a request from Biden’s campaign to avoid giving Trump the chance to play to the crowd.

How will microphone control work during the debate?

To prevent interruptions, candidates' microphones will be muted when it isn't their turn to speak, an effort to curb Trump's tendency to interrupt.

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/biden-trump-debate-rules-2024.amp

The Biden-Trump debate had rules Biden insisted upon; Trump should not be held to any rules he negotiated with Biden.

Step up Kamala. Show us you are not afraid.


He can't debate without interrupting and a live audience? Then he should find a different job then being president.


Why won’t Kamala commit to the debate?


She did but not on lying Fox. They do not get to spew lies about the 2020 election and then get a debate for 2024. Lying actually has consequences.


The entire MSM lied about the health of the president of the United States and colluded with the DNC to keep the American people from finding out the president was deteriorating mentally and physically.


Prove it and get your big fat settlement in court.


If Trump is so old, has dementia, can’t speak or think, why doesn’t Kamala show up
to the debate and show the difference between the two candidates? She was a prosecutor and says Trump is the kind of person she’s used to dealing with. She should have be able to destroy Trump in front of the American people easily.


She should not do that on fox. They screw over the viewers with their lies and the candidates should refuse to debate on such a network.


Trump went on CNN; why can’t Kamala go on Fox? A president should be able to speak to everyone.


Did CNN lose an 800 million dollar court case about lying?


Kamala is a former prosecutor. She knows how to handle bad guys. If she gets elected she will be America’s president and deal with heads of state who also lie. Putin? She can handle a debate at Fox, can’t she?


The don't deserve the debate. She will crush him on a different network.


She should be able to crush him on any network.




You keep missing the point that lying has consequences and fox does not deserve this debate. Too bad fox. You should have thought about that during your last lying election coverage.


Your opinion about Fox news isn’t reality. This isn’t about Fox news. Kamala should be able to hand Trump his ass anytime, anywhere. If she shows up on Fox and destroys Trump she will win the election and destroy Trump forever. It would be epic.


Likewise, Trump should be able to hand Harris het ass anytime, anywhere. But he obviously can't, because he's running scared to his Fox sycophants, and making up phony excuses about conflicts of interests.


Democrats don’t get to choose every debate venue and all the rules. Trump and Biden made agreements for 2 debates. Biden was forced out by his party. Trump is allowed to choose a venue and some rules, too.



the iunderlined conflicts with the bolded

Also, the Trump-Vance campaign negotiated with the Biden-Harris Campaign. Biden is not there anymore, but Harris is.

Ergo, the result of the deal Trump negotiated stands.


Old man Trump is just chicken and trying to back out.


That’s why he’s proposing a debate. He’s chicken. You are the King or Queen of Logic.

He’s proposing a debate on his own propaganda network.


Old man Trump knows she will clean his clock so he's just making excuses to get out of the deal he agreed to.


*with Biden. Who is no longer the candidate. Would you not renegotiate terms with a new candidate? I would.


Biden-Harris.

Biden i out, Harris isn't.


No. The debate was not scheduled with Biden/Harris. It was scheduled with Biden. Harris was scheduled to debate Vance. She has apparently dropped out of that one.

Time for new negotiations. Trump has a proposal on the table. Why is Kamala being such a chicken?


Kamala should have her team negotiate her debates. Is she just used to doing what Biden tells her to do? Is she too lazy to establish herself as a candidate independent from Biden?


As it currently stands, there is a single debate on the books scheduled for September 10th between the candidates. Only one of the candidates is bailing out. Only one candidate is unilaterally trying to force a different date and different venue. No one needs to acquiesce to the bully.


The only one that pulled out of a previously agreed upon debate is Joe Biden.


Except the debate did not specify Biden, only the official Democratic nominee.


You are such a liar.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/biden-and-trump-agree-to-cnn-debate-on-june-27


Maybe read the article you are referencing and point out where it states that only Trump and Biden can participate?

Meanwhile, here are the actual debate rules for the September 10, 2024 debate by ABC: https://abc.com/news/adaaae86-2621-41c7-b8f3-33a5215783f2/category/1138628


You read it. Where was Kamala’s name mentioned as a participant? Biden’s name is there.


On the debate rules for ABC? I think you need to get your eyes checked.
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Post 08/04/2024 11:59     Subject: Re:Trump says he's agreed to Fox debate while Harris sticks with ABC plan

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Anonymous wrote:Will there be a live audience at the debate?

There will be no live audience, a request from Biden’s campaign to avoid giving Trump the chance to play to the crowd.

How will microphone control work during the debate?

To prevent interruptions, candidates' microphones will be muted when it isn't their turn to speak, an effort to curb Trump's tendency to interrupt.

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/biden-trump-debate-rules-2024.amp

The Biden-Trump debate had rules Biden insisted upon; Trump should not be held to any rules he negotiated with Biden.

Step up Kamala. Show us you are not afraid.


He can't debate without interrupting and a live audience? Then he should find a different job then being president.


Why won’t Kamala commit to the debate?


She did but not on lying Fox. They do not get to spew lies about the 2020 election and then get a debate for 2024. Lying actually has consequences.


The entire MSM lied about the health of the president of the United States and colluded with the DNC to keep the American people from finding out the president was deteriorating mentally and physically.


Prove it and get your big fat settlement in court.


If Trump is so old, has dementia, can’t speak or think, why doesn’t Kamala show up
to the debate and show the difference between the two candidates? She was a prosecutor and says Trump is the kind of person she’s used to dealing with. She should have be able to destroy Trump in front of the American people easily.


She should not do that on fox. They screw over the viewers with their lies and the candidates should refuse to debate on such a network.


Trump went on CNN; why can’t Kamala go on Fox? A president should be able to speak to everyone.


Did CNN lose an 800 million dollar court case about lying?


Kamala is a former prosecutor. She knows how to handle bad guys. If she gets elected she will be America’s president and deal with heads of state who also lie. Putin? She can handle a debate at Fox, can’t she?


The don't deserve the debate. She will crush him on a different network.


She should be able to crush him on any network.




You keep missing the point that lying has consequences and fox does not deserve this debate. Too bad fox. You should have thought about that during your last lying election coverage.


Your opinion about Fox news isn’t reality. This isn’t about Fox news. Kamala should be able to hand Trump his ass anytime, anywhere. If she shows up on Fox and destroys Trump she will win the election and destroy Trump forever. It would be epic.


Likewise, Trump should be able to hand Harris het ass anytime, anywhere. But he obviously can't, because he's running scared to his Fox sycophants, and making up phony excuses about conflicts of interests.


Democrats don’t get to choose every debate venue and all the rules. Trump and Biden made agreements for 2 debates. Biden was forced out by his party. Trump is allowed to choose a venue and some rules, too.



the iunderlined conflicts with the bolded

Also, the Trump-Vance campaign negotiated with the Biden-Harris Campaign. Biden is not there anymore, but Harris is.

Ergo, the result of the deal Trump negotiated stands.


What makes you believe you personally make decisions about the debate? Do tell.


Somebody else is telling Donald J Trump where to go and when? Who's his boss???


Putin and thus Semion Mogilevich.


Putin said he wanted Biden to win. Trump sold ukraine javelins, the javelins Obama was scared to sell ukraine because he knew it would anger Putin. Putin took land under Obama and Biden but not Trump.


Putin was gaslighting.
Trump "sold" Ukraine Javelins but with the stipulation they remain in the western part of the country,a way from Donbas and Crimea, you know, where the Russian tanks were at the time.

He also tried to blackmail the Ukrainian president for a personal favor. He then instructed the GOP not to provide support to Ukraine and had Tuberville withhold key military promotions.

Understand the full breadth of circumstances and not solely the narrative from Trump is kind of important.


Good grief.
Seems you are writing your own version of events. We cannot take you seriously.


What did I write that was false? I can provide sourcing for everything I wrote.

Example;

https://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-leaving-out-key-detail-trump-javelin-sale-to-ukraine-2019-11

Under the rules of the sale, the Javelin missiles have to be stored in western Ukraine, which is far from the frontlines of the ongoing conflict in the eastern part of the country (the Donbas region) against pro-Russia separatists.



So you are denying ukraine used the javelins?

Please cite a source that says the javelins were not used.

The javelins had to be stored away from any russian claimed territory. They are defensive weapons only. Any use of javelins on russian territory would cause an escalation of war and give russians the right to strike directly at the US.

Now cite that javelins were never used in ukraine, that they were sold by Trump and only stored.


Thanks for moving the goalposts. Again, nothing I posted was false.


“The Trump administration first approved the sale of Javelins to Ukraine in December 2017 -- a step that former President Barack Obama never took and that Trump allies have pointed to as a sign of Trump's toughness on Russia. Ukraine has been fighting Russian-armed and led separatists in its eastern provinces since 2014, shortly after Russia illegally occupied and annexed Crimea, in a war that has claimed approximately 13,000 lives and displaced 1.5 million people, according to the Ukrainian government.

That first sale, which was completed in March 2018, included 210 Javelin missiles and 37 launch units and was intended to "help Ukraine build its long-term defense capacity to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity in order to meet its national defense requirements," according to the Defense Security Cooperation Agency.“
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/trump-admin-approves-sale-anti-tank-weapons-ukraine/story?id=65989898


U.S.-made Javelin missiles are ‘vital’ to Ukraine’s fight against Russia, experts say

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna20878


“The Javelin antitank missiles that figured in former President Donald Trump’s first impeachment for deliberately delaying military aid to Ukraine are now wreaking havoc on the Russian invaders.

The lightweight but lethal weapon has, military experts said, helped the underdog Ukrainians inflict major damage on Moscow’s much-vaunted military and stymie their advance.


Not only has the United States-made weapon become a symbol of resistance, it’s been dubbed “Saint Javelin” in a meme circulating on the web created by Canadian marketer Christian Borys, which shows Mary Magdalene, a saint of the Orthodox church, cradling a Javelin in her arms.

“The Javelin, very specifically that system’s advanced capabilities, have been vital to Ukrainian military survival and ability to hold ground” against the Russians, said John Spencer, chair of urban warfare studies at the nonpartisan Madison Policy Forum in New York City.”

The javelin were not being stored away indefinitely.
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Post 08/04/2024 11:53     Subject: Re:Trump says he's agreed to Fox debate while Harris sticks with ABC plan

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Anonymous wrote:Will there be a live audience at the debate?

There will be no live audience, a request from Biden’s campaign to avoid giving Trump the chance to play to the crowd.

How will microphone control work during the debate?

To prevent interruptions, candidates' microphones will be muted when it isn't their turn to speak, an effort to curb Trump's tendency to interrupt.

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/biden-trump-debate-rules-2024.amp

The Biden-Trump debate had rules Biden insisted upon; Trump should not be held to any rules he negotiated with Biden.

Step up Kamala. Show us you are not afraid.


He can't debate without interrupting and a live audience? Then he should find a different job then being president.


Why won’t Kamala commit to the debate?


She did but not on lying Fox. They do not get to spew lies about the 2020 election and then get a debate for 2024. Lying actually has consequences.


The entire MSM lied about the health of the president of the United States and colluded with the DNC to keep the American people from finding out the president was deteriorating mentally and physically.


Prove it and get your big fat settlement in court.


If Trump is so old, has dementia, can’t speak or think, why doesn’t Kamala show up
to the debate and show the difference between the two candidates? She was a prosecutor and says Trump is the kind of person she’s used to dealing with. She should have be able to destroy Trump in front of the American people easily.


She should not do that on fox. They screw over the viewers with their lies and the candidates should refuse to debate on such a network.


Trump went on CNN; why can’t Kamala go on Fox? A president should be able to speak to everyone.


Did CNN lose an 800 million dollar court case about lying?


Kamala is a former prosecutor. She knows how to handle bad guys. If she gets elected she will be America’s president and deal with heads of state who also lie. Putin? She can handle a debate at Fox, can’t she?


The don't deserve the debate. She will crush him on a different network.


She should be able to crush him on any network.




You keep missing the point that lying has consequences and fox does not deserve this debate. Too bad fox. You should have thought about that during your last lying election coverage.


Your opinion about Fox news isn’t reality. This isn’t about Fox news. Kamala should be able to hand Trump his ass anytime, anywhere. If she shows up on Fox and destroys Trump she will win the election and destroy Trump forever. It would be epic.


Likewise, Trump should be able to hand Harris het ass anytime, anywhere. But he obviously can't, because he's running scared to his Fox sycophants, and making up phony excuses about conflicts of interests.


Democrats don’t get to choose every debate venue and all the rules. Trump and Biden made agreements for 2 debates. Biden was forced out by his party. Trump is allowed to choose a venue and some rules, too.



So he can go solo on entertainment network fox and entertain his base.

Harris is interested in a presidential debate and will show up for one on ABC with or without trump.


She should renegotiate the debate as the debate was negotiated with a candidate who was forced to drop out.


Renegotiate what? He wants mics on so he can interrupt and act like his usual immature jerky self? No thanks. Why should she do that? No one would do that except maybe you.


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What? What is the issue with the debate?


Old man Trump is chicken and making excuses.


A proposal has been made for a debate on Fox.
What is Kamala hiding from?


She doesn't have to bend the knee for Trump.

There is already a debate scheduled. If he wants to schedule more, then commence a negotiation. Don't proclaim it on twitter without having any detailed agreed to. By people calling Harris chicken, it feeds the false narrative that Trump is trying to establish. Not all of us are cultists.


Trump agreed to every rule Biden asked for in their debate. Biden is no longer the candidate.
Why would Kamala not be open to negotiating her own debate venue and rules?


Projection and gaslighting won't work here. Trump is too scared to debate Harris as originally scheduled and is trying to create a diversion so that he can lie and say Harris is too scared to debate him.

Harris is not playing Trump's nonsensical games here.


Oh this is rich. “Projection and gaslighting won’t work here.” Then you proceed to…project and gaslight.
I have to admit - well done.

Like they say - give a person enough rope and eventually they’ll hang themselves.
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Post 08/04/2024 11:52     Subject: Trump says he's agreed to Fox debate while Harris sticks with ABC plan

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds to me like maybe Kamala isn’t used to talking in front of an audience.


I guess you have missed all of her speeches the last few weeks which were *gasp* in front of audiences, including the one in Atlanta that had more people in the same venue than trump's speech last night.


I was there- I left after the dancers were finished.
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Post 08/04/2024 11:49     Subject: Trump says he's agreed to Fox debate while Harris sticks with ABC plan

Anonymous wrote:It sounds to me like maybe Kamala isn’t used to talking in front of an audience.


I guess you have missed all of her speeches the last few weeks which were *gasp* in front of audiences, including the one in Atlanta that had more people in the same venue than trump's speech last night.
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Post 08/04/2024 11:49     Subject: Trump says he's agreed to Fox debate while Harris sticks with ABC plan

Take your Ukraine talk to the Ukraine thread
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Anonymous wrote:Will there be a live audience at the debate?

There will be no live audience, a request from Biden’s campaign to avoid giving Trump the chance to play to the crowd.

How will microphone control work during the debate?

To prevent interruptions, candidates' microphones will be muted when it isn't their turn to speak, an effort to curb Trump's tendency to interrupt.

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/biden-trump-debate-rules-2024.amp

The Biden-Trump debate had rules Biden insisted upon; Trump should not be held to any rules he negotiated with Biden.

Step up Kamala. Show us you are not afraid.


He can't debate without interrupting and a live audience? Then he should find a different job then being president.


Why won’t Kamala commit to the debate?


She did but not on lying Fox. They do not get to spew lies about the 2020 election and then get a debate for 2024. Lying actually has consequences.


The entire MSM lied about the health of the president of the United States and colluded with the DNC to keep the American people from finding out the president was deteriorating mentally and physically.


Prove it and get your big fat settlement in court.


If Trump is so old, has dementia, can’t speak or think, why doesn’t Kamala show up
to the debate and show the difference between the two candidates? She was a prosecutor and says Trump is the kind of person she’s used to dealing with. She should have be able to destroy Trump in front of the American people easily.


She should not do that on fox. They screw over the viewers with their lies and the candidates should refuse to debate on such a network.


Trump went on CNN; why can’t Kamala go on Fox? A president should be able to speak to everyone.


Did CNN lose an 800 million dollar court case about lying?


Kamala is a former prosecutor. She knows how to handle bad guys. If she gets elected she will be America’s president and deal with heads of state who also lie. Putin? She can handle a debate at Fox, can’t she?


The don't deserve the debate. She will crush him on a different network.


She should be able to crush him on any network.




You keep missing the point that lying has consequences and fox does not deserve this debate. Too bad fox. You should have thought about that during your last lying election coverage.


Your opinion about Fox news isn’t reality. This isn’t about Fox news. Kamala should be able to hand Trump his ass anytime, anywhere. If she shows up on Fox and destroys Trump she will win the election and destroy Trump forever. It would be epic.


Likewise, Trump should be able to hand Harris het ass anytime, anywhere. But he obviously can't, because he's running scared to his Fox sycophants, and making up phony excuses about conflicts of interests.


Democrats don’t get to choose every debate venue and all the rules. Trump and Biden made agreements for 2 debates. Biden was forced out by his party. Trump is allowed to choose a venue and some rules, too.



the iunderlined conflicts with the bolded

Also, the Trump-Vance campaign negotiated with the Biden-Harris Campaign. Biden is not there anymore, but Harris is.

Ergo, the result of the deal Trump negotiated stands.


What makes you believe you personally make decisions about the debate? Do tell.


Somebody else is telling Donald J Trump where to go and when? Who's his boss???


Putin and thus Semion Mogilevich.


Putin said he wanted Biden to win. Trump sold ukraine javelins, the javelins Obama was scared to sell ukraine because he knew it would anger Putin. Putin took land under Obama and Biden but not Trump.


Putin was gaslighting.
Trump "sold" Ukraine Javelins but with the stipulation they remain in the western part of the country,a way from Donbas and Crimea, you know, where the Russian tanks were at the time.

He also tried to blackmail the Ukrainian president for a personal favor. He then instructed the GOP not to provide support to Ukraine and had Tuberville withhold key military promotions.

Understand the full breadth of circumstances and not solely the narrative from Trump is kind of important.


Good grief.
Seems you are writing your own version of events. We cannot take you seriously.


What did I write that was false? I can provide sourcing for everything I wrote.

Example;

https://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-leaving-out-key-detail-trump-javelin-sale-to-ukraine-2019-11

Under the rules of the sale, the Javelin missiles have to be stored in western Ukraine, which is far from the frontlines of the ongoing conflict in the eastern part of the country (the Donbas region) against pro-Russia separatists.



So you are denying ukraine used the javelins?

Please cite a source that says the javelins were not used.

The javelins had to be stored away from any russian claimed territory. They are defensive weapons only. Any use of javelins on russian territory would cause an escalation of war and give russians the right to strike directly at the US.

Now cite that javelins were never used in ukraine, that they were sold by Trump and only stored.


Thanks for moving the goalposts. Again, nothing I posted was false.