Anonymous wrote:They're retiring after 30 years with 90% to 100% of their monthly pay plus benefits.

WHAT?

WHO is retiring with that pension??

Definitely not federal employees. I’ll get maybe 30% if Instat long enough. That will be 1 percent of the average of my highest three years of salary x the number of years I end up working. If more than 20 years service, it will go up to 1.1 percent. Woot!

Someone who whose average 3 year high was 80k and worked 12 years as a fed would get a 12k pension.

But please do tell us which company is offering 90-100% of salary as pension, so we can all think about applying there.

^ Would you want to be in a smaller city (where people know each other) and be responsible for reporting those with firearm violations - starting at $40K per year?!!

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Anonymous wrote:Why would Republicans who believe in smaller government want to move government jobs out across the US? It’ll just make it harder when they inevitably want to slash those jobs. You’ll get Repubkican politicians pushing back at any RIFs of their constituents.

You can do both-slash some and move most of the remaining out.

Agree this is what will happen.

It's much more palatable politically to have federal employees spread across the country. They contribute to economic stability, they pay into state/local tax coffers and the argument will be made that being "local" they are more in tune with your average Americans than those who are DC-based and entrenched.

Not to mention the salary savings - many jobs that are GS-12+ in DC could easily be reclassified to the GS-9 level elsewhere, and still be considered a very good wage, even for supervisory positions.

I’m not following the second paragraph- why would a GS-12 position be reclassified to a GS-9? Locality pay would be less in most other metro areas, but that’s different than reclassifying positions to a lower grade.

Why reclassify to lower grade? Simply put - because they can. Just like they can reclassify grades to be higher. In our area, the biggest fed office is Social Security. The supervisor there is a GS-9 who oversees about a dozen employees. They told me they desperately need more people to do the work in their office, but can't get positions.

That’s interesting- my aunt recently retired from SSA as an 11, and was not a supervisor. Not in this area, rust belt city. I’m surprised a GS-9 would be a supervisory position.

As an example, if I plug in my area/city (1M people in geographic area) the following open continuous announcement from ATF comes up. Note the requirement for mandated mobility! It is currently the ONLY federal job available for this area (along with 154 other communities in the US):

"Pay scale & grade
GS 5-7 Salary $39,576 - $63,733 per year

Industry Operations Investigator (IOI) positions are with the Department of Justice (DOJ), Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives (ATF) in the Office of Field Operations (FO) Nationwide.

...If selected for this position, you will be responsible for performing the following duties:

Conduct investigations of firearms licensees and explosives licensees/permittees; investigations/inspections involving analyzing records, and referring leads identified involving firearms & explosives thefts to ATF Special Agents for further investigation.
Document and report discrepancies revealed from examining records and inventories; including evidence of falsification of records and inventories, suspicious purchases or potential trafficking uncovered in firearm transaction records reviewed.
Prepare reports detailing the facts found to document firearms licensee or explosives licensee/permittee is operating in accordance with the laws/regulations, and make recommendations for further necessary action.
Verify inventories utilizing intelligence databases to analyze records and examine business operations.

MOBILITY PLAN: New employees hired pursuant to this vacancy announcement must sign a mobility agreement... the mobility plan will facilitate the movement of employees through special short-term assignments or permanent reassignments throughout the Bureau. Applicants who decline to sign a mobility agreement, as required, will be removed from the hiring process."

I don't think many feds in the DC area realize what the environment is like elsewhere. When you look at the duties required and the pay scale for this particular position, it isn't hard to understand why people in the majority of the country look askance at "high-paid DC bureaucrats."

I think that is why if political spin is put on the issue, it will resonate with voters: Eg. "All those bureaucrats in DC are making at least a hundred thousand dollars! Let's slash those salaries, double the positions, and we can bring good-paying gub'ment jobs to EVERYONE!"

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Anonymous wrote:They're retiring after 30 years with 90% to 100% of their monthly pay plus benefits.

Nope. Hasn't been true for years, that's the old Civil Service system that only exists for the oldest of fed retirees.

FERS annuities are based on high-3 average pay. Generally, the benefit is calculated as 1 percent of high-3 average pay multiplied by years of creditable service. For those retiring at age 62 or later with at least 20 years of service, a factor of 1.1 percent is used rather than 1 percent.

Age: Minimum Retirement Age*
High-3: $60,000
Service: 30 years
.01 x 30 x $60,000 = $18,000 (30% of high-3)

Yep, that's a pension of 18k a year on a 60k salary. We feds are really rolling in the money.

You left out that the Feds now also get TSP and Social Security, where they used to only get the pension. Depending on how one's TSP did, the retirement income is about the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would Republicans who believe in smaller government want to move government jobs out across the US? It’ll just make it harder when they inevitably want to slash those jobs. You’ll get Repubkican politicians pushing back at any RIFs of their constituents.

You can do both-slash some and move most of the remaining out.

Agree this is what will happen.

It's much more palatable politically to have federal employees spread across the country. They contribute to economic stability, they pay into state/local tax coffers and the argument will be made that being "local" they are more in tune with your average Americans than those who are DC-based and entrenched.

Not to mention the salary savings - many jobs that are GS-12+ in DC could easily be reclassified to the GS-9 level elsewhere, and still be considered a very good wage, even for supervisory positions.

I’m not following the second paragraph- why would a GS-12 position be reclassified to a GS-9? Locality pay would be less in most other metro areas, but that’s different than reclassifying positions to a lower grade.

Why reclassify to lower grade? Simply put - because they can. Just like they can reclassify grades to be higher. In our area, the biggest fed office is Social Security. The supervisor there is a GS-9 who oversees about a dozen employees. They told me they desperately need more people to do the work in their office, but can't get positions.

That’s interesting- my aunt recently retired from SSA as an 11, and was not a supervisor. Not in this area, rust belt city. I’m surprised a GS-9 would be a supervisory position.

Anonymous wrote:They're retiring after 30 years with 90% to 100% of their monthly pay plus benefits.

This is not true at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Since most federal jobs are already in California, Virginia, Maryland, and Texas, I'm not sure cutting just DC federal jobs are going to do it. We can cut some red (Virginia, Texas) state federal jobs too!

It would be great to get a lot of the red states off the federal dole so they can be self supporting.

Yes, you can cut some red state jobs too! We're not against that.

Do you think you're being clever by pitting one group against another? You aren't.

These budget deficits and ridiculous federal pensions are killing the U.S.

Now the true colors are showing. You are jelly. Why are you jealous of their pensions? The employees help to self-fund those pensions. And the feds are not the only workers that receive pensions. There are plenty of private sector jobs whose benefits rival and top the benefits offered by the feds, and some of the benefits are transportable.

Yes, I am jelly. That's it.

No actually, having someone work for 30 years and then collect retirement and benefits for 30 another years doesn't work. The math doesn't work.

I would love stable compounding interest to take care of it, but it doesn't.

And also, look at Social Security. When it first started, we had around 148 workers for every retiree. Now it's down to about 2.9 workers for every retiree. There's no interest accrued in it either. It's basically tap the workers through FICA and send a check to the retiree with that amount plus what's coming out of Social Security savings.

The pyramid is collapsing. It makes no interest and it's financially in trouble. The trustees say that every year. And the only answer the democrats have is to take an increasing percentage of the workers pay check to keep the music going. It's not fair to young workers who are trying to support themselves (maybe buy their first house or start a family) to ask them to keep kicking in more to a ponzi scheme (FIFO queue) that they're not going to see or they're going to see a much smaller payout with devalued dollars in 20 or 30 years.

Realistically, there's a lot of selfishness being promoted though these social schemes and people are not willingly participating. They're having it confiscated from their pay by force of government. I'm tired of our masterminds and their schemes. The founders never envisioned this nonsense.

They also never envisioned microwaves, automobiles, and AR15s

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Anonymous wrote:Oh fun, another thread full of hate towards federal employees by people who don’t know anything about the government.

For people who claim Feds don’t work they clearly have very little going on themselves…

They don’t even know what the government does. It is sad that conservatives have maligned the government and its workers for so long that a large number of Americans have no idea what the government does. I am just very tired of uneducated/stupid MAGA. They aren’t going to wake up until it’s too late, especially MAGA in the Midwest or more rural America. The quality of life for rural and midwestern Americans is exponentially better because of government. They wouldn’t even have electricity had it not been for government intervention! But yea, drown it a bathtub. 🙄

And you obviously know nothing about the Midwest. It’s the rust belt that made this country an industrial powerhouse. Its farmlands feed the nation. It actually produces things necessary for A nation to grow and thrive. That electricity comment you made is ridiculous.

DP but it seems you are completely ignorant of FDR's Rural Electrification Act of 1936. Parts of it are still in effect. Private electric companies didn't want to wire remote areas because stringing electric lines for a small population wasn't as profitable as wiring a city. The feds had to step in and provide some funds. It also employed many rural workers during the Depression and it's how we got the TVA and the Hoover Dam. Biden's rural high speed internet plan is heavily inspired by this. Republicans would love to tear down everything FDR achieved. I agree with PP that I am so tired of ignorant MAGA. That home schooling isn't serving you well.

lol. Not even a lower enlisted retires at that rate. How may gs 13+ do w we have nation wide

Anonymous wrote:They're retiring after 30 years with 90% to 100% of their monthly pay plus benefits.

Nope. Hasn't been true for years, that's the old Civil Service system that only exists for the oldest of fed retirees.

FERS annuities are based on high-3 average pay. Generally, the benefit is calculated as 1 percent of high-3 average pay multiplied by years of creditable service. For those retiring at age 62 or later with at least 20 years of service, a factor of 1.1 percent is used rather than 1 percent.

Age: Minimum Retirement Age*
High-3: $60,000
Service: 30 years
.01 x 30 x $60,000 = $18,000 (30% of high-3)

Yep, that's a pension of 18k a year on a 60k salary. We feds are really rolling in the money.

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Anonymous wrote:A ton of federal jobs could go remote and others could be increasingly automated via AI.

Which ones?

DP but really anything that is review oriented or policy oriented. AI can be trained on both.

Any job the crunches numbers and writes reports.

Any job that involves review of documents.

Any job that involves putting together any type of documentation.

and so on....

You have no idea how ignorant you sound to people who are in the know.

The quality of the content coming out of some Federal offices can only be improved by AI , even if wildly hallucinating and badly tuned.
I mean, look at DCUM posts. Need I say more?

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Anonymous wrote:Since most federal jobs are already in California, Virginia, Maryland, and Texas, I'm not sure cutting just DC federal jobs are going to do it. We can cut some red (Virginia, Texas) state federal jobs too!

It would be great to get a lot of the red states off the federal dole so they can be self supporting.

Yes, you can cut some red state jobs too! We're not against that.

Do you think you're being clever by pitting one group against another? You aren't.

These budget deficits and ridiculous federal pensions are killing the U.S.

Now the true colors are showing. You are jelly. Why are you jealous of their pensions? The employees help to self-fund those pensions. And the feds are not the only workers that receive pensions. There are plenty of private sector jobs whose benefits rival and top the benefits offered by the feds, and some of the benefits are transportable.

Yes, I am jelly. That's it.

No actually, having someone work for 30 years and then collect retirement and benefits for 30 another years doesn't work. The math doesn't work.

I would love stable compounding interest to take care of it, but it doesn't.

And also, look at Social Security. When it first started, we had around 148 workers for every retiree. Now it's down to about 2.9 workers for every retiree. There's no interest accrued in it either. It's basically tap the workers through FICA and send a check to the retiree with that amount plus what's coming out of Social Security savings.

The pyramid is collapsing. It makes no interest and it's financially in trouble. The trustees say that every year. And the only answer the democrats have is to take an increasing percentage of the workers pay check to keep the music going. It's not fair to young workers who are trying to support themselves (maybe buy their first house or start a family) to ask them to keep kicking in more to a ponzi scheme (FIFO queue) that they're not going to see or they're going to see a much smaller payout with devalued dollars in 20 or 30 years.

Realistically, there's a lot of selfishness being promoted though these social schemes and people are not willingly participating. They're having it confiscated from their pay by force of government. I'm tired of our masterminds and their schemes. The founders never envisioned this nonsense.

I hope you’re at least being paid to write this drivel.

I hope your LinkedIn is up to date!

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Anonymous wrote:Since most federal jobs are already in California, Virginia, Maryland, and Texas, I'm not sure cutting just DC federal jobs are going to do it. We can cut some red (Virginia, Texas) state federal jobs too!

It would be great to get a lot of the red states off the federal dole so they can be self supporting.

Yes, you can cut some red state jobs too! We're not against that.

Do you think you're being clever by pitting one group against another? You aren't.

These budget deficits and ridiculous federal pensions are killing the U.S.

Now the true colors are showing. You are jelly. Why are you jealous of their pensions? The employees help to self-fund those pensions. And the feds are not the only workers that receive pensions. There are plenty of private sector jobs whose benefits rival and top the benefits offered by the feds, and some of the benefits are transportable.

Yes, I am jelly. That's it.

No actually, having someone work for 30 years and then collect retirement and benefits for 30 another years doesn't work. The math doesn't work.

I would love stable compounding interest to take care of it, but it doesn't.

And also, look at Social Security. When it first started, we had around 148 workers for every retiree. Now it's down to about 2.9 workers for every retiree. There's no interest accrued in it either. It's basically tap the workers through FICA and send a check to the retiree with that amount plus what's coming out of Social Security savings.

The pyramid is collapsing. It makes no interest and it's financially in trouble. The trustees say that every year. And the only answer the democrats have is to take an increasing percentage of the workers pay check to keep the music going. It's not fair to young workers who are trying to support themselves (maybe buy their first house or start a family) to ask them to keep kicking in more to a ponzi scheme (FIFO queue) that they're not going to see or they're going to see a much smaller payout with devalued dollars in 20 or 30 years.

Realistically, there's a lot of selfishness being promoted though these social schemes and people are not willingly participating. They're having it confiscated from their pay by force of government. I'm tired of our masterminds and their schemes. The founders never envisioned this nonsense.

I hope you’re at least being paid to write this drivel.

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Anonymous wrote:Since most federal jobs are already in California, Virginia, Maryland, and Texas, I'm not sure cutting just DC federal jobs are going to do it. We can cut some red (Virginia, Texas) state federal jobs too!

It would be great to get a lot of the red states off the federal dole so they can be self supporting.

Yes, you can cut some red state jobs too! We're not against that.

Do you think you're being clever by pitting one group against another? You aren't.

These budget deficits and ridiculous federal pensions are killing the U.S.

Now the true colors are showing. You are jelly. Why are you jealous of their pensions? The employees help to self-fund those pensions. And the feds are not the only workers that receive pensions. There are plenty of private sector jobs whose benefits rival and top the benefits offered by the feds, and some of the benefits are transportable.

Yes, I am jelly. That's it.

No actually, having someone work for 30 years and then collect retirement and benefits for 30 another years doesn't work. The math doesn't work.

I would love stable compounding interest to take care of it, but it doesn't.

And also, look at Social Security. When it first started, we had around 148 workers for every retiree. Now it's down to about 2.9 workers for every retiree. There's no interest accrued in it either. It's basically tap the workers through FICA and send a check to the retiree with that amount plus what's coming out of Social Security savings.

The pyramid is collapsing. It makes no interest and it's financially in trouble. The trustees say that every year. And the only answer the democrats have is to take an increasing percentage of the workers pay check to keep the music going. It's not fair to young workers who are trying to support themselves (maybe buy their first house or start a family) to ask them to keep kicking in more to a ponzi scheme (FIFO queue) that they're not going to see or they're going to see a much smaller payout with devalued dollars in 20 or 30 years.

Realistically, there's a lot of selfishness being promoted though these social schemes and people are not willingly participating. They're having it confiscated from their pay by force of government. I'm tired of our masterminds and their schemes. The founders never envisioned this nonsense.

But what I hope most of all is that you understand what I mean when I tell you that even though I do not know you, and even though I may never meet you, laugh with you, cry with you, or kiss you. I love you. With all my heart, I love you.

False that is not the current federal retirement it is 1% of highest salary.