Anonymous
07/23/2024 16:32
Subject: Vacancies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread on vacancies moved to being about ELL students, but I'll bite. I work in an FCPS middle school and firmly believe that the county should have separate schools for English language learners to attend for a semester - or a year even - to learn English before going mainstream into base schools. Honestly, they can't learn English as well as content (so bad for them) and teachers can't do well teaching non-English speakers as well as all the levels of other students in the room, it's too much to ask of one professional (so bad for ALL students). How is this not obvious to everyone as a more cost effective and equitable solution??
This is not a bad idea except that it is probably not legal to isolate them from their English speaking peers. Maybe a school within a school where the basics are taught for part of the day and ESOL/non ESOL students are team taught for math.
I think this sort of exists. A teacher once told me about it and that it is in Herndon but I don't recall much else.
There’s this in Herndon.
https://fairfaxadulths.fcps.edu/about
I got frustrated subbing in FCPS high schools because we are enrolling teenagers who can’t understand basic English. They’d ask immediately for an interpreter and would be unable to respond to my question of, “your name, please” or insist that another student translate for them. Try this in an emergency.
+1
I have stopped subbing in FCPS for many reasons, but this was among them. The ESOL kids simply sit and talk with one another in class, distracting everyone else and not learning a thing. They simply don't have the basic English skills needed to communicate and listen. And this was in elementary school - I can only imagine what an issue it is in high school.
That is what I have heard as well from a person I know that had her kids at a school in Herndon. She wound up moving her kids to private.
Anonymous
07/22/2024 23:27
Subject: Vacancies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread on vacancies moved to being about ELL students, but I'll bite. I work in an FCPS middle school and firmly believe that the county should have separate schools for English language learners to attend for a semester - or a year even - to learn English before going mainstream into base schools. Honestly, they can't learn English as well as content (so bad for them) and teachers can't do well teaching non-English speakers as well as all the levels of other students in the room, it's too much to ask of one professional (so bad for ALL students). How is this not obvious to everyone as a more cost effective and equitable solution??
This is not a bad idea except that it is probably not legal to isolate them from their English speaking peers. Maybe a school within a school where the basics are taught for part of the day and ESOL/non ESOL students are team taught for math.
I think this sort of exists. A teacher once told me about it and that it is in Herndon but I don't recall much else.
There’s this in Herndon.
https://fairfaxadulths.fcps.edu/about
I got frustrated subbing in FCPS high schools because we are enrolling teenagers who can’t understand basic English. They’d ask immediately for an interpreter and would be unable to respond to my question of, “your name, please” or insist that another student translate for them. Try this in an emergency.
+1
I have stopped subbing in FCPS for many reasons, but this was among them. The ESOL kids simply sit and talk with one another in class, distracting everyone else and not learning a thing. They simply don't have the basic English skills needed to communicate and listen. And this was in elementary school - I can only imagine what an issue it is in high school.
Anonymous
07/22/2024 20:22
Subject: Vacancies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread on vacancies moved to being about ELL students, but I'll bite. I work in an FCPS middle school and firmly believe that the county should have separate schools for English language learners to attend for a semester - or a year even - to learn English before going mainstream into base schools. Honestly, they can't learn English as well as content (so bad for them) and teachers can't do well teaching non-English speakers as well as all the levels of other students in the room, it's too much to ask of one professional (so bad for ALL students). How is this not obvious to everyone as a more cost effective and equitable solution??
This is not a bad idea except that it is probably not legal to isolate them from their English speaking peers. Maybe a school within a school where the basics are taught for part of the day and ESOL/non ESOL students are team taught for math.
I think this sort of exists. A teacher once told me about it and that it is in Herndon but I don't recall much else.
There’s this in Herndon.
https://fairfaxadulths.fcps.edu/about
I got frustrated subbing in FCPS high schools because we are enrolling teenagers who can’t understand basic English. They’d ask immediately for an interpreter and would be unable to respond to my question of, “your name, please” or insist that another student translate for them. Try this in an emergency.
The Herndon one is for adults over 18 who are returning to school to get their GED.
Not for high schoolers.
Anonymous
07/22/2024 19:53
Subject: Vacancies
Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread on vacancies moved to being about ELL students, but I'll bite. I work in an FCPS middle school and firmly believe that the county should have separate schools for English language learners to attend for a semester - or a year even - to learn English before going mainstream into base schools. Honestly, they can't learn English as well as content (so bad for them) and teachers can't do well teaching non-English speakers as well as all the levels of other students in the room, it's too much to ask of one professional (so bad for ALL students). How is this not obvious to everyone as a more cost effective and equitable solution??
The problem is there are four categories of ELL.
1) Born in US but ESL. We have students in 6th grade who are ESL and you would never be able to tell because they speak fine. It is the reading/writing piece.
2) Newly Level 1 students from well educated families/backgrounds. These are your kids who don’t speak a lick of English in August and can read on a 4th/5th grade level by end of year. They are literate in their home language.
3) New Level 1 students with interrupted education due to danger of going to school.
4) Diplomats kids. Some may have some English or very little, but they are here for only a few years.
I would be okay if group number 3 had a separate program because they are so far behind they truly need specialized programming. The others can and should be in GenEd but there needs to be more ESL support in ES.
Anonymous
07/22/2024 13:02
Subject: Vacancies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread on vacancies moved to being about ELL students, but I'll bite. I work in an FCPS middle school and firmly believe that the county should have separate schools for English language learners to attend for a semester - or a year even - to learn English before going mainstream into base schools. Honestly, they can't learn English as well as content (so bad for them) and teachers can't do well teaching non-English speakers as well as all the levels of other students in the room, it's too much to ask of one professional (so bad for ALL students). How is this not obvious to everyone as a more cost effective and equitable solution??
This is not a bad idea except that it is probably not legal to isolate them from their English speaking peers. Maybe a school within a school where the basics are taught for part of the day and ESOL/non ESOL students are team taught for math.
I think this sort of exists. A teacher once told me about it and that it is in Herndon but I don't recall much else.
There’s this in Herndon.
https://fairfaxadulths.fcps.edu/about
I got frustrated subbing in FCPS high schools because we are enrolling teenagers who can’t understand basic English. They’d ask immediately for an interpreter and would be unable to respond to my question of, “your name, please” or insist that another student translate for them. Try this in an emergency.
Anonymous
07/22/2024 12:37
Subject: Vacancies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are a ton of FCPS vacancies currently. Any idea how many they will fill over the summer? Do they aggressively try to fill them? What happens if they don't?
I’ll tell you what is gonna happen. They will get random shitheads in these slots, cousins, parents, homeless people, neighbors, acquaintances, etc. if they really need people in certain jobs. Unqualified nobodies but warm bodies to say someone is fulfilling that role. Why? Because FCPS does not give a f u c k. They don’t care about small kids and their well being. I’ve seen it happen and they sit there laughing. These hires have no teaching credentials and no training.
Lol homeless people?
Well PP was dead wrong. Lol. Two of the new hires have degrees from UPenn and Pepperdine. Impressive.
Anonymous
07/21/2024 22:07
Subject: Vacancies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ESOL positions filled!!! You can go to the staff directory now of all the schools and they are updated.
I just looked at the FCPS Vacancy List and counted 17 ESOL advertised.
Why is esol so important? Most kids are not esol.
Wow.
“Why is early literacy important… a majority of kids are not in grades K or 1”
🙄
But everyone starts out in k or 1. Don't tell me that the number one priority for FCPS should be esol of all things. Get a life!
Unless you are in certain pyramids, ESOL is exploding everywhere else in FCPS. It actually makes up a very large percentage of students.
That's kinda scary. Vote!
Why is that scary?
Because she said only 5 kids were not esol in her class. I am a former esol kid myself and I would not be ok with my kid being in this class. I can see having one or two esol kids here and there but to have the majority of kids in a class being esol? Sorry but something is wrong on a much larger level if there is that much of we have influx of people coming here to have such an impact on a school. Most are probably not going through the proper process. It's a large burden on our limited resources.
I've spent most of my career in majority ESL schools. Typically 90% or so ended the year at or above grade level. Last year I moved to a 40k a year private school with zero ESL students. Only about 80% ended up at or above grade level. And fwiw, most kids ARE going through the proper process. I know because I help with the enrollment.
Why are you in a FCPS vacancies forum then? Is it schadenfreude?
Anonymous
07/21/2024 22:06
Subject: Vacancies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread on vacancies moved to being about ELL students, but I'll bite. I work in an FCPS middle school and firmly believe that the county should have separate schools for English language learners to attend for a semester - or a year even - to learn English before going mainstream into base schools. Honestly, they can't learn English as well as content (so bad for them) and teachers can't do well teaching non-English speakers as well as all the levels of other students in the room, it's too much to ask of one professional (so bad for ALL students). How is this not obvious to everyone as a more cost effective and equitable solution??
This is not a bad idea except that it is probably not legal to isolate them from their English speaking peers. Maybe a school within a school where the basics are taught for part of the day and ESOL/non ESOL students are team taught for math.
I think this sort of exists. A teacher once told me about it and that it is in Herndon but I don't recall much else.
Anonymous
07/21/2024 21:30
Subject: Vacancies
Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread on vacancies moved to being about ELL students, but I'll bite. I work in an FCPS middle school and firmly believe that the county should have separate schools for English language learners to attend for a semester - or a year even - to learn English before going mainstream into base schools. Honestly, they can't learn English as well as content (so bad for them) and teachers can't do well teaching non-English speakers as well as all the levels of other students in the room, it's too much to ask of one professional (so bad for ALL students). How is this not obvious to everyone as a more cost effective and equitable solution??
This is not a bad idea except that it is probably not legal to isolate them from their English speaking peers. Maybe a school within a school where the basics are taught for part of the day and ESOL/non ESOL students are team taught for math.
Anonymous
07/21/2024 21:09
Subject: Vacancies
Not sure how this thread on vacancies moved to being about ELL students, but I'll bite. I work in an FCPS middle school and firmly believe that the county should have separate schools for English language learners to attend for a semester - or a year even - to learn English before going mainstream into base schools. Honestly, they can't learn English as well as content (so bad for them) and teachers can't do well teaching non-English speakers as well as all the levels of other students in the room, it's too much to ask of one professional (so bad for ALL students). How is this not obvious to everyone as a more cost effective and equitable solution??
Anonymous
07/21/2024 20:39
Subject: Vacancies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ESOL positions filled!!! You can go to the staff directory now of all the schools and they are updated.
I just looked at the FCPS Vacancy List and counted 17 ESOL advertised.
Why is esol so important? Most kids are not esol.
Wow.
“Why is early literacy important… a majority of kids are not in grades K or 1”
🙄
But everyone starts out in k or 1. Don't tell me that the number one priority for FCPS should be esol of all things. Get a life!
Unless you are in certain pyramids, ESOL is exploding everywhere else in FCPS. It actually makes up a very large percentage of students.
That's kinda scary. Vote!
Why is that scary?
Because she said only 5 kids were not esol in her class. I am a former esol kid myself and I would not be ok with my kid being in this class. I can see having one or two esol kids here and there but to have the majority of kids in a class being esol? Sorry but something is wrong on a much larger level if there is that much of we have influx of people coming here to have such an impact on a school. Most are probably not going through the proper process. It's a large burden on our limited resources.
How would you know??
Open your eyes. Do you not speak to people or keep up with the news?
Watching the news and talking to people doesn’t mean you’d know anything about personal about the legal status of the ESOL kids. You are gross.
Speak for yourself. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make such deductions. You have no information or knowledge so you toss around your typical small minded insults because you have nothing better to do. Keep living under a rock.
Actually I do know because I have access to their files. The vast majority of my students are US citizens. But keep watching Fox News if you like being fed a bunch of lies.
PP is correct. I was also an esol teacher in the county in charge of record-keeping for all of our school's students. The majority - like 80% in my Title 1 school (which had about 30% esol overall) - were born in the USA. Surprise, not everything you hear on Fox News is true.
Teacher here. This is also a very international area. We have a ton of diplomats and military from other countries and their kids are here for 3-4 years and then move back. Many are ESOL students. Are there some kids who are coming illegally? Yes. As above poster said the majority were born here.
I have also noticed the diplomat plates at our school as well. Why are our taxes paying for these people since they are not US citizens and will not be here very long? Especially with the shortages and vacancies. Serious question, not interested in the insults.
Anonymous
07/21/2024 20:31
Subject: Vacancies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ESOL positions filled!!! You can go to the staff directory now of all the schools and they are updated.
I just looked at the FCPS Vacancy List and counted 17 ESOL advertised.
Why is esol so important? Most kids are not esol.
Wow.
“Why is early literacy important… a majority of kids are not in grades K or 1”
🙄
But everyone starts out in k or 1. Don't tell me that the number one priority for FCPS should be esol of all things. Get a life!
Unless you are in certain pyramids, ESOL is exploding everywhere else in FCPS. It actually makes up a very large percentage of students.
That's kinda scary. Vote!
Why is that scary?
Because she said only 5 kids were not esol in her class. I am a former esol kid myself and I would not be ok with my kid being in this class. I can see having one or two esol kids here and there but to have the majority of kids in a class being esol? Sorry but something is wrong on a much larger level if there is that much of we have influx of people coming here to have such an impact on a school. Most are probably not going through the proper process. It's a large burden on our limited resources.
How would you know??
Open your eyes. Do you not speak to people or keep up with the news?
Watching the news and talking to people doesn’t mean you’d know anything about personal about the legal status of the ESOL kids. You are gross.
Speak for yourself. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make such deductions. You have no information or knowledge so you toss around your typical small minded insults because you have nothing better to do. Keep living under a rock.
Actually I do know because I have access to their files. The vast majority of my students are US citizens. But keep watching Fox News if you like being fed a bunch of lies.
PP is correct. I was also an esol teacher in the county in charge of record-keeping for all of our school's students. The majority - like 80% in my Title 1 school (which had about 30% esol overall) - were born in the USA. Surprise, not everything you hear on Fox News is true.
Teacher here. This is also a very international area. We have a ton of diplomats and military from other countries and their kids are here for 3-4 years and then move back. Many are ESOL students. Are there some kids who are coming illegally? Yes. As above poster said the majority were born here.
Anonymous
07/21/2024 20:24
Subject: Vacancies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ESOL positions filled!!! You can go to the staff directory now of all the schools and they are updated.
I just looked at the FCPS Vacancy List and counted 17 ESOL advertised.
Why is esol so important? Most kids are not esol.
Wow.
“Why is early literacy important… a majority of kids are not in grades K or 1”
🙄
But everyone starts out in k or 1. Don't tell me that the number one priority for FCPS should be esol of all things. Get a life!
Unless you are in certain pyramids, ESOL is exploding everywhere else in FCPS. It actually makes up a very large percentage of students.
That's kinda scary. Vote!
Why is that scary?
Because she said only 5 kids were not esol in her class. I am a former esol kid myself and I would not be ok with my kid being in this class. I can see having one or two esol kids here and there but to have the majority of kids in a class being esol? Sorry but something is wrong on a much larger level if there is that much of we have influx of people coming here to have such an impact on a school. Most are probably not going through the proper process. It's a large burden on our limited resources.
How would you know??
Open your eyes. Do you not speak to people or keep up with the news?
Watching the news and talking to people doesn’t mean you’d know anything about personal about the legal status of the ESOL kids. You are gross.
Speak for yourself. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make such deductions. You have no information or knowledge so you toss around your typical small minded insults because you have nothing better to do. Keep living under a rock.
Actually I do know because I have access to their files. The vast majority of my students are US citizens. But keep watching Fox News if you like being fed a bunch of lies.
PP is correct. I was also an esol teacher in the county in charge of record-keeping for all of our school's students. The majority - like 80% in my Title 1 school (which had about 30% esol overall) - were born in the USA. Surprise, not everything you hear on Fox News is true.
Anonymous
07/21/2024 20:22
Subject: Vacancies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ESOL positions filled!!! You can go to the staff directory now of all the schools and they are updated.
I just looked at the FCPS Vacancy List and counted 17 ESOL advertised.
Why is esol so important? Most kids are not esol.
Wow.
“Why is early literacy important… a majority of kids are not in grades K or 1”
🙄
But everyone starts out in k or 1. Don't tell me that the number one priority for FCPS should be esol of all things. Get a life!
PP is 100% correct. I was an ESOL teacher for 10 years and was in charge of the record-keeping for the entire school's esol population for most of that time. About 80% of our esol students were born in the USA. I think I even remember the county mentioning in inservices regularly that the majority of the esol students county-wide were born here. I guess people just prefer the Fox News narrative so they can justify their prejudices.
Unless you are in certain pyramids, ESOL is exploding everywhere else in FCPS. It actually makes up a very large percentage of students.
That's kinda scary. Vote!
Why is that scary?
Because she said only 5 kids were not esol in her class. I am a former esol kid myself and I would not be ok with my kid being in this class. I can see having one or two esol kids here and there but to have the majority of kids in a class being esol? Sorry but something is wrong on a much larger level if there is that much of we have influx of people coming here to have such an impact on a school. Most are probably not going through the proper process. It's a large burden on our limited resources.
How would you know??
Open your eyes. Do you not speak to people or keep up with the news?
Watching the news and talking to people doesn’t mean you’d know anything about personal about the legal status of the ESOL kids. You are gross.
Speak for yourself. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make such deductions. You have no information or knowledge so you toss around your typical small minded insults because you have nothing better to do. Keep living under a rock.
Actually I do know because I have access to their files. The vast majority of my students are US citizens. But keep watching Fox News if you like being fed a bunch of lies.
Anonymous
07/21/2024 20:07
Subject: Vacancies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ESOL positions filled!!! You can go to the staff directory now of all the schools and they are updated.
I just looked at the FCPS Vacancy List and counted 17 ESOL advertised.
Why is esol so important? Most kids are not esol.
Wow.
“Why is early literacy important… a majority of kids are not in grades K or 1”
🙄
But everyone starts out in k or 1. Don't tell me that the number one priority for FCPS should be esol of all things. Get a life!
Unless you are in certain pyramids, ESOL is exploding everywhere else in FCPS. It actually makes up a very large percentage of students.
That's kinda scary. Vote!
Why is that scary?
Because she said only 5 kids were not esol in her class. I am a former esol kid myself and I would not be ok with my kid being in this class. I can see having one or two esol kids here and there but to have the majority of kids in a class being esol? Sorry but something is wrong on a much larger level if there is that much of we have influx of people coming here to have such an impact on a school. Most are probably not going through the proper process. It's a large burden on our limited resources.
I've spent most of my career in majority ESL schools. Typically 90% or so ended the year at or above grade level. Last year I moved to a 40k a year private school with zero ESL students. Only about 80% ended up at or above grade level. And fwiw, most kids ARE going through the proper process. I know because I help with the enrollment.
Do you have data that backs what you are saying? Show us data that shows that schools with high esol % of students score better than schools with low esol %. My family member teaches in Maryland and tells me that they have kids that just show up one day and they look much older than they claim to be, speak zero English and seems like they have never been inside of a classroom before despite being teens. Is this all the kids? No. Is it a large enough amount that it raises eyebrows? Yes. Is it their fault? No it isn't, nor is it the schools but that doesn't mean that educating them should be the top priority of the school system.