So, tax payers/voters have three major powers so far.

1. No Pell grant
2. No research funding
3. No accreditation

Dear Private colleges, feel free to do whatever you want.

Anonymous wrote:The SAT needs to go back to being an IQ test and should be the basis of admission along with gpa. No more extracurriculars! They are turning high schoolers into freaks who can do research but can barely process information.

This turns into exactly what the admins are trying to get away from. Huge organizations that you pay $$$$$ to teach your kid the SAT. Over and over and over. Everyone gets a 1600 and they are all superficial duds.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, where do you think you get the law?

More states are creating laws to ban legacy admissions listening to the tax payers/voters.

https://hechingerreport.org/maryland-to-becom...rence-in-admissions/

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https://hechingerreport.org/maryland-to-become-the-third-state-to-completely-ban-legacy-preference-in-admissions/

"Maryland becomes the third state to completely ban legacy preference in admissions -
New legislation will ban preferences for children of alumni or donors at all private and public colleges in the state"

"Maryland becomes the third state to eliminate the practice, as the question of fairness in admissions undergoes increased scrutiny across the country. Colorado was the first state to ban legacy preference in 2021, and earlier this spring, Virginia became the second.

Legislators in California, New York, Massachusetts, Minnesota and Connecticut are considering similar proposals. On the federal level, Senators Tim Kaine of Virginia (a Democrat) and Todd Young of Indiana (a Republican) have introduced a bill that would prevent colleges from being accredited if they considered legacy or donor connections in admissions."

Yes, where do you think you get the law?

More states are creating laws to ban legacy admissions listening to the tax payers/voters.

https://hechingerreport.org/maryland-to-becom...rence-in-admissions/

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Anonymous wrote:DP but the ALDCs tying themselves into knots to claim that “yes, we swear, we really are all qualified to attend” is quite amusing.

Hey, comrade, guess what? The admissions officers say they are and the graduation rates indicate the admissions officers are correct.

I have no dog in this fight other than the belief that private colleges should admit whom they wish for whatever reason as long as they don’t violate laws. You, however have a political agenda, which is obvious.

Good thing is neither opinion matters. Better thing is the people running admissions at colleges know what they are doing better than either of us.

Opinion matters.
People running admissions thought it was best to discriminate against Jews and later Asians.
Laws and regulations stopped that. Now more and more state are banning legacy admissions.
Tax payers opinions will affect law makers to force colleges toward more fair and transparent admissions practice.
Private colleges shouldn't do whatever they want when they are benefited from tax payers money.
Power to the tax payers.

Are you comparing racism to legacy admissions? You put them on the same level?

That’s disgusting.

And we’ve already disproven that private colleges get free tax money. False.

Shocking right?
when you let private colleges do whatever they want, they even practice racism

Tax payers want transparent and fair admissions practice.
If they don't comply, no Pell grant and also research funding can go to hundreds of other great colleges.
Power to the tax payers and voters.

No, racial discrimination is against the law. The lawsuits on that are prevailing, as they should.

You are the person who compared not having the benefit of legacy preference to racism. That is repulsive.

Yes, where do you think you get the law?

More states are creating laws to ban legacy admissions listening to the tax payers/voters.

https://hechingerreport.org/maryland-to-become-the-third-state-to-completely-ban-legacy-preference-in-admissions/

In fact, DMV are leaders in this. It's also being pushed at the Federal level.

Sorry, we'll progress.

"New legislation will ban preferences for children of alumni or donors at all private and public colleges in the state"

I was hoping and expecting this would come eventually when the Supreme Court banned racism in college admissions, but I am pleasantly surprised it's already happening and the rate of progress

No I am not the person that compared the benefit of legacy preference. I think that college admissions officers have a difficult job. I think that a lot of students and their parents think that they are in the top 1/10 of the one percent but do not realize the amount of high school talent that is out there (as well as the amount of spots -- ten to twenty percent -- that are reserved for international students (which are full pay and frequently donate at a low level ($50K to $100K a year in addition to tuition and room and board). College admissions was much less competitive 35 years ago and peoples' (the parents) viewpoint/perception of the new level competiitveness in admissions has not changed. More top colleges need to open additional capacity for students (or open additional campuses either here or abroad)

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Anonymous wrote:DP but the ALDCs tying themselves into knots to claim that “yes, we swear, we really are all qualified to attend” is quite amusing.

Hey, comrade, guess what? The admissions officers say they are and the graduation rates indicate the admissions officers are correct.

I have no dog in this fight other than the belief that private colleges should admit whom they wish for whatever reason as long as they don’t violate laws. You, however have a political agenda, which is obvious.

Good thing is neither opinion matters. Better thing is the people running admissions at colleges know what they are doing better than either of us.

Opinion matters.
People running admissions thought it was best to discriminate against Jews and later Asians.
Laws and regulations stopped that. Now more and more state are banning legacy admissions.
Tax payers opinions will affect law makers to force colleges toward more fair and transparent admissions practice.
Private colleges shouldn't do whatever they want when they are benefited from tax payers money.
Power to the tax payers.

Are you comparing racism to legacy admissions? You put them on the same level?

That’s disgusting.

And we’ve already disproven that private colleges get free tax money. False.

Shocking right?
when you let private colleges do whatever they want, they even practice racism

Tax payers want transparent and fair admissions practice.
If they don't comply, no Pell grant and also research funding can go to hundreds of other great colleges.
Power to the tax payers and voters.

No, racial discrimination is against the law. The lawsuits on that are prevailing, as they should.

You are the person who compared not having the benefit of legacy preference to racism. That is repulsive.

Yes, where do you think you get the law?

More states are creating laws to ban legacy admissions listening to the tax payers/voters.

https://hechingerreport.org/maryland-to-become-the-third-state-to-completely-ban-legacy-preference-in-admissions/

In fact, DMV are leaders in this. It's also being pushed at the Federal level.

Sorry, we'll progress.

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Anonymous wrote:DP but the ALDCs tying themselves into knots to claim that “yes, we swear, we really are all qualified to attend” is quite amusing.

Hey, comrade, guess what? The admissions officers say they are and the graduation rates indicate the admissions officers are correct.

I have no dog in this fight other than the belief that private colleges should admit whom they wish for whatever reason as long as they don’t violate laws. You, however have a political agenda, which is obvious.

Good thing is neither opinion matters. Better thing is the people running admissions at colleges know what they are doing better than either of us.

Opinion matters.
People running admissions thought it was best to discriminate against Jews and later Asians.
Laws and regulations stopped that. Now more and more state are banning legacy admissions.
Tax payers opinions will affect law makers to force colleges toward more fair and transparent admissions practice.
Private colleges shouldn't do whatever they want when they are benefited from tax payers money.
Power to the tax payers.

Are you comparing racism to legacy admissions? You put them on the same level?

That’s disgusting.

And we’ve already disproven that private colleges get free tax money. False.

Shocking right?
when you let private colleges do whatever they want, they even practice racism

Tax payers want transparent and fair admissions practice.
If they don't comply, no Pell grant and also research funding can go to hundreds of other great colleges.
Power to the tax payers and voters.

No, racial discrimination is against the law. The lawsuits on that are prevailing, as they should.

You are the person who compared not having the benefit of legacy preference to racism. That is repulsive.

I think that it is difficult for elite colleges to conduct admissions because there are 27,000+ high schools in the United States -- which that means there are 27.000+ Valedictorians and if you count the Salutatorians too -- there are arguably 54,000+ top students.

There are arguably another 500,000 top students based on colleges recalculating your student's high school GPA. Here is why- some high school students have completed a lot of real college courses. Some states like Florida, Ohio, Texas, and California (and many others) will pay for high school students to take college courses at their local community college (either full time or part time) - not just honors students that have completed Calculus I and II and need/want to take Differential Equations while in high school).

Because regular high school students (like homeschoolers) are sometimes encouraged to take community college classes in high school --- those regular students (meaning not taking any AP courses) --- will typically have higher GPAs in the eyes of the colleges (because they completed college courses). This happens because many colleges will weight a college course with an equal GPA weight to an AP course -- OR give an even higher GPA weight to college course (as compared to an AP course) or a regular student can take a full load of community college credits BUT in a high school, an AP student may not be permitted to take an all AP course load (or the AP courses may not be scheduled in a way that a student could do that). So a regular high school kid that would graduate with some college credits to even completing an associates degree worth of courses (15 to 20 courses equaling 60 college credits) will likely have a far higher GPA in the eyes of the college (as colleges typically recalculate all applicants GPAs (removing the physical education classes, yearbook classes, religion classes, etc. --- so that colleges can compare "oranges with oranges."

When there are easily over 500,000 top applicants based on GPA, it makes it difficult to pick the top 50,000 in regards to academic measures (whether it is one's GPA or SAT/ACT score) to fill the top 25 schools.

Also, college admissions officers need to think about the colleges' needs to. Athletics brings in ALOT (a really lot) of money from alumni when the school's teams have a winning season or win a national championship, etc. (and colleges need that money to provide financial aid for students who can not afford to pay the listed price of tuition, room and board.

I think that college admissions officers have a difficult job.

Also, I believe that many students and parents do not realize how competitive college admissions is --- and just having sufficient academic fire power to attend a particular set of schools is not enough.

I have heard that almost all applicants to all of the Ivies and the Top 25 colleges are ALL academically qualified (meaning smarts is not enough).

I have also heard that ninety (90) percent of applicants that apply to Harvard (or those top 5 colleges) are ranked number one nationally or internationally (like winning the GOLD Olympic medal in their sport that is also needed at their school --- think Katie Ledecky and Stanford Swimming) are all accepted. I have heard that the other 10 percent (are not the lottery places) but are reserved for the designees of large donors (meaning 5 million or more a year -- meaning that they are paying for themselves and 15 other students for four years) -- so that the most talented but underfunded and under-resourced students can attend those elite colleges are well). Sometimes the designees are talented but i imagine that often they are not but the children of (or firends of) billionaires.

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Anonymous wrote:DP but the ALDCs tying themselves into knots to claim that “yes, we swear, we really are all qualified to attend” is quite amusing.

Hey, comrade, guess what? The admissions officers say they are and the graduation rates indicate the admissions officers are correct.

I have no dog in this fight other than the belief that private colleges should admit whom they wish for whatever reason as long as they don’t violate laws. You, however have a political agenda, which is obvious.

Good thing is neither opinion matters. Better thing is the people running admissions at colleges know what they are doing better than either of us.

Opinion matters.
People running admissions thought it was best to discriminate against Jews and later Asians.
Laws and regulations stopped that. Now more and more state are banning legacy admissions.
Tax payers opinions will affect law makers to force colleges toward more fair and transparent admissions practice.
Private colleges shouldn't do whatever they want when they are benefited from tax payers money.
Power to the tax payers.

Are you comparing racism to legacy admissions? You put them on the same level?

That’s disgusting.

And we’ve already disproven that private colleges get free tax money. False.

Shocking right?
when you let private colleges do whatever they want, they even practice racism

Tax payers want transparent and fair admissions practice.
If they don't comply, no Pell grant and also research funding can go to hundreds of other great colleges.
Power to the tax payers and voters.

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Anonymous wrote:DP but the ALDCs tying themselves into knots to claim that “yes, we swear, we really are all qualified to attend” is quite amusing.

That one ALDC person is a real good example why they are less qualified.

Again, you show the weakness of your position and admit your lack of knowledge on the subject with ad hominem attack.

I have mentioned many times I have no connection to any ALDC applicant now or past. I just hate bullsh*t.

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Anonymous wrote:DP but the ALDCs tying themselves into knots to claim that “yes, we swear, we really are all qualified to attend” is quite amusing.

Hey, comrade, guess what? The admissions officers say they are and the graduation rates indicate the admissions officers are correct.

I have no dog in this fight other than the belief that private colleges should admit whom they wish for whatever reason as long as they don’t violate laws. You, however have a political agenda, which is obvious.

Good thing is neither opinion matters. Better thing is the people running admissions at colleges know what they are doing better than either of us.

Opinion matters.
People running admissions thought it was best to discriminate against Jews and later Asians.
Laws and regulations stopped that. Now more and more state are banning legacy admissions.
Tax payers opinions will affect law makers to force colleges toward more fair and transparent admissions practice.
Private colleges shouldn't do whatever they want when they are benefited from tax payers money.
Power to the tax payers.

Are you comparing racism to legacy admissions? You put them on the same level?

That’s disgusting.

And we’ve already disproven that private colleges get free tax money. False.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP but the ALDCs tying themselves into knots to claim that “yes, we swear, we really are all qualified to attend” is quite amusing.

Hey, comrade, guess what? The admissions officers say they are and the graduation rates indicate the admissions officers are correct.

I have no dog in this fight other than the belief that private colleges should admit whom they wish for whatever reason as long as they don’t violate laws. You, however have a political agenda, which is obvious.

Good thing is neither opinion matters. Better thing is the people running admissions at colleges know what they are doing better than either of us.

Opinion matters.
People running admissions thought it was best to discriminate against Jews and later Asians.
Laws and regulations stopped that. Now more and more state are banning legacy admissions.
Tax payers opinions will affect law makers to force colleges toward more fair and transparent admissions practice.
Private colleges shouldn't do whatever they want when they are benefited from tax payers money.
Power to the tax payers.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP but the ALDCs tying themselves into knots to claim that “yes, we swear, we really are all qualified to attend” is quite amusing.

Hey, comrade, guess what? The admissions officers say they are and the graduation rates indicate the admissions officers are correct.

I have no dog in this fight other than the belief that private colleges should admit whom they wish for whatever reason as long as they don’t violate laws. You, however have a political agenda, which is obvious.

Good thing is neither opinion matters. Better thing is the people running admissions at colleges know what they are doing better than either of us.

Lol nothing political at all in my one comment on this topic but I see you are one of those touchy, sees-politics-in-everything types.

Anonymous wrote:DP but the ALDCs tying themselves into knots to claim that “yes, we swear, we really are all qualified to attend” is quite amusing.

That one ALDC person is a real good example why they are less qualified.