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Anonymous wrote:My daughter was born in 2005 and the Mormon bloggers were numerous, prolific and well known. Beautiful photography, gorgeous children and thoughtful writing, it was all very curated, albeit in blog form. This just feels like an amped up version, consistent now with the tenor of Instagram. It's all less real. But the seeds have certainly been there for years. just significantly more over the top. Thank you for the pp who noted her julliard training was basically a dance intensive over the summer. I mean really...as a mother of a college daughter who dances, this is not the same as being " julliard trained." The whole situation is unreal.

She graduated from Juilliard with a BFA in dance in 2012. She went for a summer intensive, fell in love with it, and went back for college.

A BFA from Juilliard qualifies someone to be described as "Juilliard trained".

I stand corrected. But the reality is that she did little professionally with that BFA so not surprisingly she holds on to that credential as a part of her identity but that part of her life is in the past. It was a road not taken. And unlike her peers who pursued it, who had the courage probably to do so...she did not. It's a way to perhaps stay connected to that part of her....but she seems deeply conflicted about having had to let it go. Let's be honest. Otherwise it would not continue to be quoted as a part of her life over and over again. I find it sad. Some of us have been around long enough to see through when people do this.

It's a huge feat for a girl from Springville, Utah (a small town outside Provo, very conservative), homeschooled with her 8 siblings, to get into Julliard. It's not a path people in her orbit were taking. It was painful to read her comments about ballet and what it meant to her to give it up. She names her social media the Ballerina Farmer.

Naomi /Love Taza was from Utah and got into Julliard too. There are lot of mormons who take this path

Anonymous wrote:Late to this, but I own a social media agency that works with high-level influencers. And yea, it’s all fake. There’s massive amounts of money that go into creating a brand like BF. There’s always a wealthy dad who funded it. Many of them are former performers, whether dancers, actors, singers, etc.

People like to promote the image that they were just a regular person who started posting online and things took off, but there’s a ton of strategy and money behind it. Andrew Tate didn’t happen by accident, there was an intentional strategy to get him plastered across the internet that took a LOT of money. Anytime a pretty 22 year old girl who posts outfit or dance videos randomly gets reposted by celebrities and gets millions of followers, she paid to get those celebrity endorsements. The alpha males surrounded by beautiful women? Those women are paid to be there, they have zero interest in the guy. Everyone pretends to be WAY wealthier than they actually are. Loads of people buy fake followers/views/engagement (ever notice how troll comments always come from private profiles? They’re fake).

Social media really needs to be treated the same way as TV. People need to recognize it’s fake. Hopefully there will be more legislation in the future, but probably not for 10-20 years.

Anonymous wrote:I didn't know who this woman was before the Times article. Having read it, looked through her feed, and now read through this thread, what I'm struck by is the certainty of those posters here who think she's a victim issuing desperate passive-aggressive cries for help, OR a victim who can't admit to herself that she's miserable.

How on earth do y'all square this with the fact that she also apparently is a very savvy self-promoter who created an incredibly lucrative social media presence?

Her lifestyle is bizarre to me, but if you're criticizing it as a product of sexist patriarchal fantasy, maybe look in the mirror, because it doesn't get more sexist or patriarchal than to say that a woman who's achieved this level of fame and financial success ACTUALLY is secretly miserable and desperately needs our help, even if she won't admit to herself that she wants to be rescued from the life she says she loves.

Anonymous wrote:https://wetookthetrain.blogspot.com

Here is her old blog. Much more normal.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter was born in 2005 and the Mormon bloggers were numerous, prolific and well known. Beautiful photography, gorgeous children and thoughtful writing, it was all very curated, albeit in blog form. This just feels like an amped up version, consistent now with the tenor of Instagram. It's all less real. But the seeds have certainly been there for years. just significantly more over the top. Thank you for the pp who noted her julliard training was basically a dance intensive over the summer. I mean really...as a mother of a college daughter who dances, this is not the same as being " julliard trained." The whole situation is unreal.

She graduated from Juilliard with a BFA in dance in 2012. She went for a summer intensive, fell in love with it, and went back for college.

A BFA from Juilliard qualifies someone to be described as "Juilliard trained".

I stand corrected. But the reality is that she did little professionally with that BFA so not surprisingly she holds on to that credential as a part of her identity but that part of her life is in the past. It was a road not taken. And unlike her peers who pursued it, who had the courage probably to do so...she did not. It's a way to perhaps stay connected to that part of her....but she seems deeply conflicted about having had to let it go. Let's be honest. Otherwise it would not continue to be quoted as a part of her life over and over again. I find it sad. Some of us have been around long enough to see through when people do this.

It's a huge feat for a girl from Springville, Utah (a small town outside Provo, very conservative), homeschooled with her 8 siblings, to get into Julliard. It's not a path people in her orbit were taking. It was painful to read her comments about ballet and what it meant to her to give it up. She names her social media the Ballerina Farmer.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone on Reddit searched the property records where they live in Kamas, Utah. Her name isn't on the Deed to the house or surrounding property. How about that? Might we also speculate that the Neeleman family had an air-tight prenup drawn up? She finishes her last year at Juliard pregnant and gives up her professional dancing career to marry a rich boy and follow his dream of living on a farm. She reported that she couldn't wait to get to NYC at 17 to attend Juliard. She loved the energy of the City. And here she is at 35, raising and homeschooling 8 kids with no nanny on a farm in Kamas, Utah, that isn't even hers. Stories like this are why I am not raising my daughter in a religion built on patriarchy.

Allegedly she is also not on the business filings - it’s just him listed on the records for Ballerina Farm

Anonymous wrote:Someone on Reddit searched the property records where they live in Kamas, Utah. Her name isn't on the Deed to the house or surrounding property. How about that? Might we also speculate that the Neeleman family had an air-tight prenup drawn up? She finishes her last year at Juliard pregnant and gives up her professional dancing career to marry a rich boy and follow his dream of living on a farm. She reported that she couldn't wait to get to NYC at 17 to attend Juliard. She loved the energy of the City. And here she is at 35, raising and homeschooling 8 kids with no nanny on a farm in Kamas, Utah, that isn't even hers. Stories like this are why I am not raising my daughter in a religion built on patriarchy.

Anonymous wrote:Someone on Reddit searched the property records where they live in Kamas, Utah. Her name isn't on the Deed to the house or surrounding property. How about that? Might we also speculate that the Neeleman family had an air-tight prenup drawn up? She finishes her last year at Juliard pregnant and gives up her professional dancing career to marry a rich boy and follow his dream of living on a farm. She reported that she couldn't wait to get to NYC at 17 to attend Juliard. She loved the energy of the City. And here she is at 35, raising and homeschooling 8 kids with no nanny on a farm in Kamas, Utah, that isn't even hers. Stories like this are why I am not raising my daughter in a religion built on patriarchy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My daughter was born in 2005 and the Mormon bloggers were numerous, prolific and well known. Beautiful photography, gorgeous children and thoughtful writing, it was all very curated, albeit in blog form. This just feels like an amped up version, consistent now with the tenor of Instagram. It's all less real. But the seeds have certainly been there for years. just significantly more over the top. Thank you for the pp who noted her julliard training was basically a dance intensive over the summer. I mean really...as a mother of a college daughter who dances, this is not the same as being " julliard trained." The whole situation is unreal.

She graduated from Juilliard with a BFA in dance in 2012. She went for a summer intensive, fell in love with it, and went back for college.

A BFA from Juilliard qualifies someone to be described as "Juilliard trained".

I stand corrected. But the reality is that she did little professionally with that BFA so not surprisingly she holds on to that credential as a part of her identity but that part of her life is in the past. It was a road not taken. And unlike her peers who pursued it, who had the courage probably to do so...she did not. It's a way to perhaps stay connected to that part of her....but she seems deeply conflicted about having had to let it go. Let's be honest. Otherwise it would not continue to be quoted as a part of her life over and over again. I find it sad. Some of us have been around long enough to see through when people do this.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My daughter was born in 2005 and the Mormon bloggers were numerous, prolific and well known. Beautiful photography, gorgeous children and thoughtful writing, it was all very curated, albeit in blog form. This just feels like an amped up version, consistent now with the tenor of Instagram. It's all less real. But the seeds have certainly been there for years. just significantly more over the top. Thank you for the pp who noted her julliard training was basically a dance intensive over the summer. I mean really...as a mother of a college daughter who dances, this is not the same as being " julliard trained." The whole situation is unreal.

She graduated from Juilliard with a BFA in dance in 2012. She went for a summer intensive, fell in love with it, and went back for college.

A BFA from Juilliard qualifies someone to be described as "Juilliard trained".

I stand corrected. But the reality is that she did little professionally with that BFA so not surprisingly she holds on to that credential as a part of her identity but that part of her life is in the past. It was a road not taken. And unlike her peers who pursued it, who had the courage probably to do so...she did not. It's a way to perhaps stay connected to that part of her....but she seems deeply conflicted about having had to let it go. Let's be honest. Otherwise it would not continue to be quoted as a part of her life over and over again. I find it sad. Some of us have been around long enough to see through when people do this.