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There are more left leaning men with high estrogen levels these days. Dribbling blanks.

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Young men are skewing conservative
Women are skewing liberal.
Women are opting out.

This is the reason birth rates are plummeting. Women aren’t having children because they don’t want them.

that's not quite true

stated fertility goals are much higher than actual fertility

If women really desire to have kids, they will arrange their lives to make it happen.

Yes, it is always entirely possible to make this happen.

No it isn’t. What if you don’t want to be unmarried and have kids? What if you can’t afford freezing your own eggs? Girls outnumber boys in the US . Lots of Women may remain unmarried /single for a long time and by the time, they are ready or found someone who wants to marry them, they may be past childbearing age.

You missed the sarcasm in that reply, alas.

Anonymous wrote:Having kids is an emotional choice. ALWAYS. Whether you have money or not, whether you are young or old, educated or not, etc.

My daughter has an MBA and let me tell you, she doesn't want kids. Being educated has nothing to do with it! In fact, I would suggest that the smarter and more educated you are, the less likely you'd want to have kids in this day and age. I totally don't blame her as I have 2. Given the current conditions, I would not want kids either and I do not have an MBA!

Who in their right mind wants the childcare, pressures and stress of having kids today, seriously. It's not about men v women, more about what to do with the kids for so many years. That's a real no joke reality. Whether you are a mom or a dad, you're in it. Balancing a career and parenthood in the US WELL is not even a hard thing to do but almost impossible thing to do. People do it but it's seriously hard.

I do think that higher education levels for women do reduce proportion that want children and the desired number of children. It’s a matter of opportunity costs. Women with greater career and professional prospects have more to lose by having kids. Unless you are very wealthy the cost of outside childcare is often a limiting factor for how many kids someone can afford.

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Anonymous wrote:I think another factor is the number of “failure to launch” men who are not really marriage material. I have a number of friends and a SIL (all mid 40s+ now) who wanted to marry and have kids but it just never happened. Not enough good guys to go around. All of them possibly could have “settled” or become single moms but didn’t feel strongly enough to go to such lengths. All are happy with their lives - lots of friends, career, hobbies etc. and don’t seem to have any real regrets.

I think in times past, they would’ve felt more pressure to settle and marry. Many did, I think. I don’t remember knowing many “single never married” middle aged+ women when I was a kid. None in our extended families or our social circle/neighborhood that I recall offhand. Now I know many!

I think men and women are overall pretty much the same. It’s just that women think they are worthy of a better deal, and some never find that perfect man. No one is perfect in their 20s, people should marry someone good enough and be happy if they want to be. Or we have women of 40 years still looking.
I am a woman fwiw

Have a mid twenties DD. She laughs about how some of her friends have "unrealistic expectations" about what a man should be. No human could match what they want.

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There are more left leaning men with high estrogen levels these days. Dribbling blanks.

No.
Young men are skewing conservative
Women are skewing liberal.
Women are opting out.

This is the reason birth rates are plummeting. Women aren’t having children because they don’t want them.

that's not quite true

stated fertility goals are much higher than actual fertility

If women really desire to have kids, they will arrange their lives to make it happen.

Yes, it is always entirely possible to make this happen.

No it isn’t. What if you don’t want to be unmarried and have kids? What if you can’t afford freezing your own eggs? Girls outnumber boys in the US . Lots of Women may remain unmarried /single for a long time and by the time, they are ready or found someone who wants to marry them, they may be past childbearing age.

Egg freezing is also not a guarantee and you don’t know about the quality of the eggs collected until you try to fertilize them later. I am strong proponent of egg freezing, but you need to make sure you collect enough eggs to provide a high probability of success. https://www.mdcalc.com/calc/3937/bwh-egg-freezing-counseling-tool-efct#creator-insights

Having kids is an emotional choice. ALWAYS. Whether you have money or not, whether you are young or old, educated or not, etc.

My daughter has an MBA and let me tell you, she doesn't want kids. Being educated has nothing to do with it! In fact, I would suggest that the smarter and more educated you are, the less likely you'd want to have kids in this day and age. I totally don't blame her as I have 2. Given the current conditions, I would not want kids either and I do not have an MBA!

Who in their right mind wants the childcare, pressures and stress of having kids today, seriously. It's not about men v women, more about what to do with the kids for so many years. That's a real no joke reality. Whether you are a mom or a dad, you're in it. Balancing a career and parenthood in the US WELL is not even a hard thing to do but almost impossible thing to do. People do it but it's seriously hard.

According to dating app data and anecdotal experience 80% of women tend to go for the 5% of men. Those men have little incentive to settle down because they have an abundance of options.

Women want to date a higher status male. A successful woman has a hard time dating a waiter, while the inverse is not true. The higher a woman's status, the smaller her dating pool becomes. The higher a man's status becomes, the larger his dating pool becomes.

Women have become highly educated and their statuses have climbed dramatically over the last several decades, but their dating preferences have only gotten stricter and stricter. So they end up not pairing off and having babies. And the birth rate drops. Women need to widen their dating preferences. Read the book “Marry Him” by Lori Gottlieb. It does a good job explaining this.

Anonymous wrote:Tyreek Hill has 10 kids
Nick Cannon has 10+ kids
elon has 8 kids
chief keef has 12 kids

I worked in the NBA and the players many times had more kids than the coaches/trainers/assistants/vp's etc --

it was a natural experiment of sorts -- if you want to boost the birth rates, it seems money definitely helps - but it's money during your sexual prime. not money at age 50

Most of these examples are from high-profile men who have significant fame and fortune with multiple different women. This isnt your average and the women IMO are foolish. And it isnt really pertinent to the discussion except when you take into account that men are making less and less money and are less educated and more likely to be failure to launch. That means less men are available for partnerships. We are talking about the average male and female. I would also note that the women arent having 4+ kids, unless there are multiples.

Your limitation when the male population isnt sufficient is the number of pregnancies a woman will willingly go through which is why you see the big push to limit womens choice.

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Anonymous wrote:I think another factor is the number of “failure to launch” men who are not really marriage material. I have a number of friends and a SIL (all mid 40s+ now) who wanted to marry and have kids but it just never happened. Not enough good guys to go around. All of them possibly could have “settled” or become single moms but didn’t feel strongly enough to go to such lengths. All are happy with their lives - lots of friends, career, hobbies etc. and don’t seem to have any real regrets.

I think in times past, they would’ve felt more pressure to settle and marry. Many did, I think. I don’t remember knowing many “single never married” middle aged+ women when I was a kid. None in our extended families or our social circle/neighborhood that I recall offhand. Now I know many!

I think men and women are overall pretty much the same. It’s just that women think they are worthy of a better deal, and some never find that perfect man. No one is perfect in their 20s, people should marry someone good enough and be happy if they want to be. Or we have women of 40 years still looking.
I am a woman fwiw

You’re a woman who’s been red pilled. Do better

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There are more left leaning men with high estrogen levels these days. Dribbling blanks.

No.
Young men are skewing conservative
Women are skewing liberal.
Women are opting out.

This is the reason birth rates are plummeting. Women aren’t having children because they don’t want them.

The rates of women who say they want children are roughly the same. There has been no statistically significant change in women wanting children.

Our society’s dating culture is f**ed up. Our society’s culture is just sad, quite frankly.

Texting and technology ruined dating. Dating was significantly better before the Internet

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There are more left leaning men with high estrogen levels these days. Dribbling blanks.

No.
Young men are skewing conservative
Women are skewing liberal.
Women are opting out.

This is the reason birth rates are plummeting. Women aren’t having children because they don’t want them.

Because when women are educated and given a choice, they make a better one.

I have a PhD and two kids. Plenty of women want children, however, our society is very family unfriendly. Many women, who can control their fertility, will wait for the “perfect time” (the right house, the right point in career, etc) only to discover time ran out. I think lower income folks don’t think there is ever a “perfect time” to have kids and just jump in.

Or… hear me out… they aren’t educated and don’t think much about the consequences of child rearing…. Because when women are educated… they make better choices.

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There are more left leaning men with high estrogen levels these days. Dribbling blanks.

No.
Young men are skewing conservative
Women are skewing liberal.
Women are opting out.

This is the reason birth rates are plummeting. Women aren’t having children because they don’t want them.

that's not quite true

stated fertility goals are much higher than actual fertility

If women really desire to have kids, they will arrange their lives to make it happen.

Yes, it is always entirely possible to make this happen.

No it isn’t. What if you don’t want to be unmarried and have kids? What if you can’t afford freezing your own eggs? Girls outnumber boys in the US . Lots of Women may remain unmarried /single for a long time and by the time, they are ready or found someone who wants to marry them, they may be past childbearing age.

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There are more left leaning men with high estrogen levels these days. Dribbling blanks.

No.
Young men are skewing conservative
Women are skewing liberal.
Women are opting out.

This is the reason birth rates are plummeting. Women aren’t having children because they don’t want them.

that's not quite true

stated fertility goals are much higher than actual fertility

If women really desire to have kids, they will arrange their lives to make it happen.

There are a lot of factors that women don't entirely control, especially if they seek to abide by the societal rules/expectations of marriage before motherhood, which is the expectation of the conservative part of society. Then there are a lot more things women don't control along the way. It's way more complex than the simplistic idea that if women want children, they will just make it happen.

I always knew I wanted at least two children. I did get to a point where I wanted three, but almost dying during the second pregnancy with my second child put a hard stop to any idea of a third. So I suppose my stated fertility goal was higher than the level I actually reached, but that was not entirely in my control.

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Anonymous wrote:What societal contracts? What are all these contracts I never sign.

I go through the interviews, I'm hired and know the benefits. That's what I expect, no more, no less.

No one is "tricking me". I'm not a victim.

But I will be a victim of social security which takes a bunch of FICA confiscations and is mathematically unsustainable (and always would be). We had 159 workers for each retiree in 1940 and it took 2% of the workers earnings. Now we're down to 3 workers for every retiree and the bite on their pay check is much higher. That's what ponzi schemes do.

No "American business culture" forced that on us. Politicians in Washington DC did that. Time you started putting blame where it belongs.

Social security was also set up to kick in around the average age of death, so maybe you could eek out a couple of years.

Now it is common to get paid out for several decades. Which is why the age of getting it needs to go up by 5-6 years.

I think something like 3-4% of the population receives social security for disability reasons. Maybe we can start by kicking that 3-4% off since they likely don't contribute anything to society. Then we could have an optional buy-out date for people. IE give them $50k one time and a large needle full or morphine to end their miserable leeching life. I'd imagine most 80 year olds would take this. This may also fix the housing crisis.

We need thanos so we can make some tough decisions.

How bout cutting off all illegal alien healthcare / housing / food spending and Ukraine death funding and student loan forgiveness and deadbeat able bodied welfare, and green energy boondoggles and military sex change surgeries and npr funding and moving the funding to social security whose tax contributions have been plundered for libtar d nonsense?

Because it doesn’t exist. How do illegals get benefits without a ssn? You think an illegal is going to walk into a social security office for benefits? They’re not going to willingly interact with government employees out of fear of being deported.

Also you don’t understand basic math. The current generation funds the retirees. The baby boom is a huge block of people. The largest birth year was 2007. These kids are largely not in the workforce yet.

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Anonymous wrote:What societal contracts? What are all these contracts I never sign.

I go through the interviews, I'm hired and know the benefits. That's what I expect, no more, no less.

No one is "tricking me". I'm not a victim.

But I will be a victim of social security which takes a bunch of FICA confiscations and is mathematically unsustainable (and always would be). We had 159 workers for each retiree in 1940 and it took 2% of the workers earnings. Now we're down to 3 workers for every retiree and the bite on their pay check is much higher. That's what ponzi schemes do.

No "American business culture" forced that on us. Politicians in Washington DC did that. Time you started putting blame where it belongs.

Social security was also set up to kick in around the average age of death, so maybe you could eek out a couple of years.

Now it is common to get paid out for several decades. Which is why the age of getting it needs to go up by 5-6 years.

I think something like 3-4% of the population receives social security for disability reasons. Maybe we can start by kicking that 3-4% off since they likely don't contribute anything to society. Then we could have an optional buy-out date for people. IE give them $50k one time and a large needle full or morphine to end their miserable leeching life. I'd imagine most 80 year olds would take this. This may also fix the housing crisis.

We need thanos so we can make some tough decisions.

How bout cutting off all illegal alien healthcare / housing / food spending and Ukraine death funding and student loan forgiveness and deadbeat able bodied welfare, and green energy boondoggles and military sex change surgeries and npr funding and moving the funding to social security whose tax contributions have been plundered for libtar d nonsense?

Interesting that you don't mentioned Israel...