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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

Columbia is a peer school to Emory et al. Is it a "top Ivy?" Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that.

There’s HYP.

There’s Columbia and Penn.

And then there’s Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Emory is nowhere near any of those schools. It can hang out with Vanderbilt and Washington U on a good day.

Emory is better than WashU and peers of Vandy and Cornell. Columbia is a step above but not as much as you may think. Columbia used to be a half step below HYPSM now its closer to Emory than to Harvard. Sorry.

Emory??? Hahaha! You are so funny! Nothing to be sorry about. I needed a good laugh!

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

Columbia is a peer school to Emory et al. Is it a "top Ivy?" Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that.

There’s HYP.

There’s Columbia and Penn.

And then there’s Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Emory is nowhere near any of those schools. It can hang out with Vanderbilt and Washington U on a good day.

Emory is better than WashU and peers of Vandy and Cornell. Columbia is a step above but not as much as you may think. Columbia used to be a half step below HYPSM now its closer to Emory than to Harvard. Sorry.

Anonymous wrote:OP. We are down to columbia vs rice. Not an engineer. Maybe econ. Maybe stats. Thoughts.

This is very easy - but obviously OP debating. Only OP knows. Let OP/student follow their heart.

Anonymous wrote:OP. We are down to columbia vs rice. Not an engineer. Maybe econ. Maybe stats. Thoughts.

You really should visit if you can. They're both pedigree schools. They'll both open doors. Though if you want Wall Street, Columbia is the better option. That's not really the Rice vibe. It's a more chill atmosphere, a little nerdier. It's bright students doing their thing. STEM is probably what they are most known for, but they are solid in everything. It's a comfortable school with a residential college system, so it's easy to feel part of a community. It is a very rigorous school though. No one is gliding through Rice.

Columbia is Columbia. It's in the news 24/7 presently. Every potential student has to ask is that the environment they want to be a part of. For some it's a plus. And for some it's a huge red flag. The tensions there between protestors and Jewish students and those that just want to ignore the noise and grind are very real. You either want to be a part of the cacophony or you don't. Even in the best of circumstances, Columbia is not chill. But I think the fractures that are evident on the Columbia campus are going to be long lasting.

Columbia is having issues - end of school year can’t come quick enough smh

OP. We are down to columbia vs rice. Not an engineer. Maybe econ. Maybe stats. Thoughts.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

Columbia is a peer school to Emory et al. Is it a "top Ivy?" Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that.

There’s HYP.

There’s Columbia and Penn.

And then there’s Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Emory is nowhere near any of those schools. It can hang out with Vanderbilt and Washington U on a good day.

Brown = Cornell > Dartmouth = Penn > Vanderbilt = Columbia = WashU

Columbia dropping friend, read the news

This is funny.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

Columbia is a peer school to Emory et al. Is it a "top Ivy?" Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that.

There’s HYP.

There’s Columbia and Penn.

And then there’s Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Emory is nowhere near any of those schools. It can hang out with Vanderbilt and Washington U on a good day.

Brown = Cornell > Dartmouth = Penn > Vanderbilt = Columbia = WashU

Columbia dropping friend, read the news

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

I'm just curious what brings you so much hate on Columbia.

no hate on Columbia. Infact if econ and finance, definitely choose Columbia over Rice. But the distinction or the superiority you claim in all scenarios of Columbia over Rice is no longer accurate. The lines have been blurred esp. with regards to STEM majors and student quality of life esp. in undergrad.

STEM/ engineering students at Columbia are recruited by silicon valley AND Wall Street.

So are students from Rice and CMU. Again, all I am saying is you can no longer say Columbia is definitely superior to Rice. Not always. People might be very surprised if a student chooses Rice over Harvard or Princeton. But no one is stunned if today a kid chooses Rice over Columbia.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

Columbia is a peer school to Emory et al. Is it a "top Ivy?" Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that.

There’s HYP.

There’s Columbia and Penn.

And then there’s Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Emory is nowhere near any of those schools. It can hang out with Vanderbilt and Washington U on a good day.

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Anonymous wrote:All three are outstanding schools. You might want to compare the weather in each location. Some people love Houston's warmth. Personally, I feel close to collapse in that sort of humidity and find it unbearable. It's a small thing but something to consider.

You are not living there during the summer as an undergrad...

It’s still going to be high heat and humidity during the school year. September, October, April, May are all typically very hot and humid months in Houston. Even March and November can be quite hot.

My mom’s family is from Houston and we visited often. I remember sweltering thanksgivings and Easters where people got heat stroke. It’s not just the summer.

Ummm...no. This is inaccurate. It is crazy hot starting May till August. Then it starts switching between cool and humid. Oct to March is beautiful. Coincidentally much of the academic year.

I'm the PP who initially expressed concern about the heat and humidity. Of these three schools, Rice is by far my personal favorite -- apart from the weather. The heat and humidity in Houston make me ill, even in the relatively "cool" months. I prefer cold weather. Others might find the weather at Amherst or Columbia too cold and much prefer Houston's warmth. It's a completely individual thing, but it's something I thought the OP might want to consider. Houston is likely to get hotter and experience more flooding in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

I'm just curious what brings you so much hate on Columbia.

no hate on Columbia. Infact if econ and finance, definitely choose Columbia over Rice. But the distinction or the superiority you claim in all scenarios of Columbia over Rice is no longer accurate. The lines have been blurred esp. with regards to STEM majors and student quality of life esp. in undergrad.

STEM/ engineering students at Columbia are recruited by silicon valley AND Wall Street.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

I’m sorry you don’t like how my company hires. We don’t see any difference between grads of Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Columbia

No problem as to how YOUR company hires. Just don;t generalize it to how many other companies are hiring in today's world.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

I’m sorry you don’t like how my company hires. We don’t see any difference between grads of Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Columbia

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

Columbia is a peer school to Emory et al. Is it a "top Ivy?" Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that.