Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What if teachers in DC are paid well?
The whole premise of this post is nasty, many jobs get 8 weeks paid vacation. Teachers on average work 10 months in a year, it is never 9. Teachers should be paid well. I find it interesting that principal salary is never discussed but every once in a while you have an odd parent wanting strange attention online.
Presents are never a requirement. Appreciation can be free. I hope I never come across a loser parent like this.
+1
I know plenty of feds who take several weeks off in the summer, spring break with their kids, winter break off, random other days during the school year. They also work from home a few days a week and admittedly don’t work even close to a full day. I have friends in non profits with similar schedules and vacation time.
Feds only get 6 weeks off per year. We have to take leave the day after Thanksgiving if we want it off. Teachers have 2 months in the summer, plus winter and spring breaks and other days.
UNPAID. Teachers are paid for 190ish days a year. Summers aren’t “off”.
Sigh.
Well ... Isn't this kind of a distinction without a difference? When I was a teacher (in the private school world) we had the option of being paid for 10 months, or stretching the salary to cover 12 months.
I did relax during the summers. Summers off were glorious.
It's ok!
No, it isn’t. I work 12 months of hours condensed into 10 months and I only get paid for those 10. I then have to get a 2nd job for the 2 months I am essentially furloughed each year.
I’m glad you got to relax during the summers. Perhaps you are married to someone who makes much more? Not all of us have that set up.
Ok so I get that teaching is a tough job and I have a lot of respect for teachers, but I don't get this one.
The schedule for teaching is not a surprise. Like everyone knows, before they take any steps to become a teacher, that most teaching jobs are going to be 10 months of the year. You probably didn't know how the pay worked before but it would be easy to find out (I know a lot of teachers and some get paid only during the months they work, others spread it out over 12 as the PP mentioned for budgeting purposes). So I don't get the complaint that you don't get paid during the summers -- didn't you know going in that you'd have summers off? Did you assume you'd be paid during that time that you weren't working?
Also, coming from a family of educators, my SIL and her dad are both principals (both taught for many, many years first), and they are actually huge advocates of year-round education as a way to reduce learning loss, especially in at-risk student populations. They have tried to sponsor year round pilots in their district several times, but they can't get it off the ground even though there is often broad support from families. Why? Teachers don't want it. Many teachers go into the field because of the schedule, and they don't want to give up the long summer break in favor of shorter quarterly breaks. Many use those months to travel, visit family, get time with their own kids, and pursue additional degrees or certifications to further their own careers. So the teacher's union always shoots it down.
So it’s okay for teachers to go into the profession because they work for 10 months, but it’s NOT okay for them to vote down year round school?
JFC. Both are fine. What is weird is to complain constantly that you don't get paid during the summer when you aren't working, and to call Summers off a "furlough" (as the PP did) when this is one of the most well known idiosyncrasies of teaching as a profession and is actually viewed as a perl by many teachers.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What if teachers in DC are paid well?
The whole premise of this post is nasty, many jobs get 8 weeks paid vacation. Teachers on average work 10 months in a year, it is never 9. Teachers should be paid well. I find it interesting that principal salary is never discussed but every once in a while you have an odd parent wanting strange attention online.
Presents are never a requirement. Appreciation can be free. I hope I never come across a loser parent like this.
+1
I know plenty of feds who take several weeks off in the summer, spring break with their kids, winter break off, random other days during the school year. They also work from home a few days a week and admittedly don’t work even close to a full day. I have friends in non profits with similar schedules and vacation time.
Feds only get 6 weeks off per year. We have to take leave the day after Thanksgiving if we want it off. Teachers have 2 months in the summer, plus winter and spring breaks and other days.
UNPAID. Teachers are paid for 190ish days a year. Summers aren’t “off”.
Sigh.
Well ... Isn't this kind of a distinction without a difference? When I was a teacher (in the private school world) we had the option of being paid for 10 months, or stretching the salary to cover 12 months.
I did relax during the summers. Summers off were glorious.
It's ok!
No, it isn’t. I work 12 months of hours condensed into 10 months and I only get paid for those 10. I then have to get a 2nd job for the 2 months I am essentially furloughed each year.
I’m glad you got to relax during the summers. Perhaps you are married to someone who makes much more? Not all of us have that set up.
Ok so I get that teaching is a tough job and I have a lot of respect for teachers, but I don't get this one.
The schedule for teaching is not a surprise. Like everyone knows, before they take any steps to become a teacher, that most teaching jobs are going to be 10 months of the year. You probably didn't know how the pay worked before but it would be easy to find out (I know a lot of teachers and some get paid only during the months they work, others spread it out over 12 as the PP mentioned for budgeting purposes). So I don't get the complaint that you don't get paid during the summers -- didn't you know going in that you'd have summers off? Did you assume you'd be paid during that time that you weren't working?
Also, coming from a family of educators, my SIL and her dad are both principals (both taught for many, many years first), and they are actually huge advocates of year-round education as a way to reduce learning loss, especially in at-risk student populations. They have tried to sponsor year round pilots in their district several times, but they can't get it off the ground even though there is often broad support from families. Why? Teachers don't want it. Many teachers go into the field because of the schedule, and they don't want to give up the long summer break in favor of shorter quarterly breaks. Many use those months to travel, visit family, get time with their own kids, and pursue additional degrees or certifications to further their own careers. So the teacher's union always shoots it down.
So it’s okay for teachers to go into the profession because they work for 10 months, but it’s NOT okay for them to vote down year round school?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What if teachers in DC are paid well?
The whole premise of this post is nasty, many jobs get 8 weeks paid vacation. Teachers on average work 10 months in a year, it is never 9. Teachers should be paid well. I find it interesting that principal salary is never discussed but every once in a while you have an odd parent wanting strange attention online.
Presents are never a requirement. Appreciation can be free. I hope I never come across a loser parent like this.
+1
I know plenty of feds who take several weeks off in the summer, spring break with their kids, winter break off, random other days during the school year. They also work from home a few days a week and admittedly don’t work even close to a full day. I have friends in non profits with similar schedules and vacation time.
Feds only get 6 weeks off per year. We have to take leave the day after Thanksgiving if we want it off. Teachers have 2 months in the summer, plus winter and spring breaks and other days.
The number of "professional development days" is insane.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What if teachers in DC are paid well?
The whole premise of this post is nasty, many jobs get 8 weeks paid vacation. Teachers on average work 10 months in a year, it is never 9. Teachers should be paid well. I find it interesting that principal salary is never discussed but every once in a while you have an odd parent wanting strange attention online.
Presents are never a requirement. Appreciation can be free. I hope I never come across a loser parent like this.
+1
I know plenty of feds who take several weeks off in the summer, spring break with their kids, winter break off, random other days during the school year. They also work from home a few days a week and admittedly don’t work even close to a full day. I have friends in non profits with similar schedules and vacation time.
Feds only get 6 weeks off per year. We have to take leave the day after Thanksgiving if we want it off. Teachers have 2 months in the summer, plus winter and spring breaks and other days.
UNPAID. Teachers are paid for 190ish days a year. Summers aren’t “off”.
Sigh.
Well ... Isn't this kind of a distinction without a difference? When I was a teacher (in the private school world) we had the option of being paid for 10 months, or stretching the salary to cover 12 months.
I did relax during the summers. Summers off were glorious.
It's ok!
No, it isn’t. I work 12 months of hours condensed into 10 months and I only get paid for those 10. I then have to get a 2nd job for the 2 months I am essentially furloughed each year.
I’m glad you got to relax during the summers. Perhaps you are married to someone who makes much more? Not all of us have that set up.
Ok so I get that teaching is a tough job and I have a lot of respect for teachers, but I don't get this one.
The schedule for teaching is not a surprise. Like everyone knows, before they take any steps to become a teacher, that most teaching jobs are going to be 10 months of the year. You probably didn't know how the pay worked before but it would be easy to find out (I know a lot of teachers and some get paid only during the months they work, others spread it out over 12 as the PP mentioned for budgeting purposes). So I don't get the complaint that you don't get paid during the summers -- didn't you know going in that you'd have summers off? Did you assume you'd be paid during that time that you weren't working?
Also, coming from a family of educators, my SIL and her dad are both principals (both taught for many, many years first), and they are actually huge advocates of year-round education as a way to reduce learning loss, especially in at-risk student populations. They have tried to sponsor year round pilots in their district several times, but they can't get it off the ground even though there is often broad support from families. Why? Teachers don't want it. Many teachers go into the field because of the schedule, and they don't want to give up the long summer break in favor of shorter quarterly breaks. Many use those months to travel, visit family, get time with their own kids, and pursue additional degrees or certifications to further their own careers. So the teacher's union always shoots it down.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What if teachers in DC are paid well?
The whole premise of this post is nasty, many jobs get 8 weeks paid vacation. Teachers on average work 10 months in a year, it is never 9. Teachers should be paid well. I find it interesting that principal salary is never discussed but every once in a while you have an odd parent wanting strange attention online.
Presents are never a requirement. Appreciation can be free. I hope I never come across a loser parent like this.
+1
I know plenty of feds who take several weeks off in the summer, spring break with their kids, winter break off, random other days during the school year. They also work from home a few days a week and admittedly don’t work even close to a full day. I have friends in non profits with similar schedules and vacation time.
Feds only get 6 weeks off per year. We have to take leave the day after Thanksgiving if we want it off. Teachers have 2 months in the summer, plus winter and spring breaks and other days.
UNPAID. Teachers are paid for 190ish days a year. Summers aren’t “off”.
Sigh.
Okay, well by that logic, we should be adding 20% on to all teachers' salaries to make a fair comparison to working a "full year."
So when you look at it from that perspective, teachers are even better off than the numbers posted in this thread.
P.S. I'm a fed and would gladly give up 20% of my salary to have 2 months off every summer!
As I wrote above, I work a full year of hours in a condensed 10 months.
There’s an assumption on DCUM that teachers have an 8-3 job. That’s not true. I have a 6-4 and then 8-11pm job, with 8-12 additional hours each weekend.
Look, I’m not complaining. I’m one of the ones who hasn’t quit (yet). But when it comes to pay, I don’t get paid enough.
The fact hordes of teachers are sprinting away from the profession is proof. And PP, I see you say you’d give up pay for our summers. What’s stopping you? We have tons of vacancies.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What if teachers in DC are paid well?
The whole premise of this post is nasty, many jobs get 8 weeks paid vacation. Teachers on average work 10 months in a year, it is never 9. Teachers should be paid well. I find it interesting that principal salary is never discussed but every once in a while you have an odd parent wanting strange attention online.
Presents are never a requirement. Appreciation can be free. I hope I never come across a loser parent like this.
+1
I know plenty of feds who take several weeks off in the summer, spring break with their kids, winter break off, random other days during the school year. They also work from home a few days a week and admittedly don’t work even close to a full day. I have friends in non profits with similar schedules and vacation time.
Feds only get 6 weeks off per year. We have to take leave the day after Thanksgiving if we want it off. Teachers have 2 months in the summer, plus winter and spring breaks and other days.
UNPAID. Teachers are paid for 190ish days a year. Summers aren’t “off”.
Sigh.
Okay, well by that logic, we should be adding 20% on to all teachers' salaries to make a fair comparison to working a "full year."
So when you look at it from that perspective, teachers are even better off than the numbers posted in this thread.
P.S. I'm a fed and would gladly give up 20% of my salary to have 2 months off every summer!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What if teachers in DC are paid well?
The whole premise of this post is nasty, many jobs get 8 weeks paid vacation. Teachers on average work 10 months in a year, it is never 9. Teachers should be paid well. I find it interesting that principal salary is never discussed but every once in a while you have an odd parent wanting strange attention online.
Presents are never a requirement. Appreciation can be free. I hope I never come across a loser parent like this.
+1
I know plenty of feds who take several weeks off in the summer, spring break with their kids, winter break off, random other days during the school year. They also work from home a few days a week and admittedly don’t work even close to a full day. I have friends in non profits with similar schedules and vacation time.
Feds only get 6 weeks off per year. We have to take leave the day after Thanksgiving if we want it off. Teachers have 2 months in the summer, plus winter and spring breaks and other days.
UNPAID. Teachers are paid for 190ish days a year. Summers aren’t “off”.
Sigh.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What if teachers in DC are paid well?
The whole premise of this post is nasty, many jobs get 8 weeks paid vacation. Teachers on average work 10 months in a year, it is never 9. Teachers should be paid well. I find it interesting that principal salary is never discussed but every once in a while you have an odd parent wanting strange attention online.
Presents are never a requirement. Appreciation can be free. I hope I never come across a loser parent like this.
+1
I know plenty of feds who take several weeks off in the summer, spring break with their kids, winter break off, random other days during the school year. They also work from home a few days a week and admittedly don’t work even close to a full day. I have friends in non profits with similar schedules and vacation time.
Feds only get 6 weeks off per year. We have to take leave the day after Thanksgiving if we want it off. Teachers have 2 months in the summer, plus winter and spring breaks and other days.
UNPAID. Teachers are paid for 190ish days a year. Summers aren’t “off”.
Sigh.
Well ... Isn't this kind of a distinction without a difference? When I was a teacher (in the private school world) we had the option of being paid for 10 months, or stretching the salary to cover 12 months.
I did relax during the summers. Summers off were glorious.
It's ok!
No, it isn’t. I work 12 months of hours condensed into 10 months and I only get paid for those 10. I then have to get a 2nd job for the 2 months I am essentially furloughed each year.
I’m glad you got to relax during the summers. Perhaps you are married to someone who makes much more? Not all of us have that set up.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What if teachers in DC are paid well?
The whole premise of this post is nasty, many jobs get 8 weeks paid vacation. Teachers on average work 10 months in a year, it is never 9. Teachers should be paid well. I find it interesting that principal salary is never discussed but every once in a while you have an odd parent wanting strange attention online.
Presents are never a requirement. Appreciation can be free. I hope I never come across a loser parent like this.
+1
I know plenty of feds who take several weeks off in the summer, spring break with their kids, winter break off, random other days during the school year. They also work from home a few days a week and admittedly don’t work even close to a full day. I have friends in non profits with similar schedules and vacation time.
Feds only get 6 weeks off per year. We have to take leave the day after Thanksgiving if we want it off. Teachers have 2 months in the summer, plus winter and spring breaks and other days.
UNPAID. Teachers are paid for 190ish days a year. Summers aren’t “off”.
Sigh.
Well ... Isn't this kind of a distinction without a difference? When I was a teacher (in the private school world) we had the option of being paid for 10 months, or stretching the salary to cover 12 months.
I did relax during the summers. Summers off were glorious.
It's ok!
No, it isn’t. I work 12 months of hours condensed into 10 months and I only get paid for those 10. I then have to get a 2nd job for the 2 months I am essentially furloughed each year.
I’m glad you got to relax during the summers. Perhaps you are married to someone who makes much more? Not all of us have that set up.
Kids are only in school for 180 days, which last I checked was less than half the year.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What if teachers in DC are paid well?
The whole premise of this post is nasty, many jobs get 8 weeks paid vacation. Teachers on average work 10 months in a year, it is never 9. Teachers should be paid well. I find it interesting that principal salary is never discussed but every once in a while you have an odd parent wanting strange attention online.
Presents are never a requirement. Appreciation can be free. I hope I never come across a loser parent like this.
+1
I know plenty of feds who take several weeks off in the summer, spring break with their kids, winter break off, random other days during the school year. They also work from home a few days a week and admittedly don’t work even close to a full day. I have friends in non profits with similar schedules and vacation time.
Feds only get 6 weeks off per year. We have to take leave the day after Thanksgiving if we want it off. Teachers have 2 months in the summer, plus winter and spring breaks and other days.
UNPAID. Teachers are paid for 190ish days a year. Summers aren’t “off”.
Sigh.
Well ... Isn't this kind of a distinction without a difference? When I was a teacher (in the private school world) we had the option of being paid for 10 months, or stretching the salary to cover 12 months.
I did relax during the summers. Summers off were glorious.
It's ok!
No, it isn’t. I work 12 months of hours condensed into 10 months and I only get paid for those 10. I then have to get a 2nd job for the 2 months I am essentially furloughed each year.
I’m glad you got to relax during the summers. Perhaps you are married to someone who makes much more? Not all of us have that set up.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What if teachers in DC are paid well?
The whole premise of this post is nasty, many jobs get 8 weeks paid vacation. Teachers on average work 10 months in a year, it is never 9. Teachers should be paid well. I find it interesting that principal salary is never discussed but every once in a while you have an odd parent wanting strange attention online.
Presents are never a requirement. Appreciation can be free. I hope I never come across a loser parent like this.
+1
I know plenty of feds who take several weeks off in the summer, spring break with their kids, winter break off, random other days during the school year. They also work from home a few days a week and admittedly don’t work even close to a full day. I have friends in non profits with similar schedules and vacation time.
Feds only get 6 weeks off per year. We have to take leave the day after Thanksgiving if we want it off. Teachers have 2 months in the summer, plus winter and spring breaks and other days.
UNPAID. Teachers are paid for 190ish days a year. Summers aren’t “off”.
Sigh.
Well ... Isn't this kind of a distinction without a difference? When I was a teacher (in the private school world) we had the option of being paid for 10 months, or stretching the salary to cover 12 months.
I did relax during the summers. Summers off were glorious.
It's ok!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What if teachers in DC are paid well?
The whole premise of this post is nasty, many jobs get 8 weeks paid vacation. Teachers on average work 10 months in a year, it is never 9. Teachers should be paid well. I find it interesting that principal salary is never discussed but every once in a while you have an odd parent wanting strange attention online.
Presents are never a requirement. Appreciation can be free. I hope I never come across a loser parent like this.
+1
I know plenty of feds who take several weeks off in the summer, spring break with their kids, winter break off, random other days during the school year. They also work from home a few days a week and admittedly don’t work even close to a full day. I have friends in non profits with similar schedules and vacation time.
Feds only get 6 weeks off per year. We have to take leave the day after Thanksgiving if we want it off. Teachers have 2 months in the summer, plus winter and spring breaks and other days.
UNPAID. Teachers are paid for 190ish days a year. Summers aren’t “off”.
Sigh.