Anonymous
02/21/2024 14:34
Subject: GDS high school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who has accused the teacher of a hate crime?
That was hyperbole, but you get the point. We can just stick with public shamibg.
What procedural rights do you think students who are offended should have, if any?
(not talking about the Toni Morrison situation, but in general)
GDS parent.
None. There should be no "I'm offended" procedural right. Any such procedure will become the embodiment of the worst acting, most fragile member of the community even if the original intention was good
No one is saying we want people to run around saying the n-word willy nilly. We are talking about reading scholarly works in class as the author intended them to be read.
Just imagine when these kids go into the real world.
???? What “real world” are you living in where white people are saying the n word, in any context? This is very, very basic stuff and I think you have missed a boat or two.
Read my post again. I said i am NOT saying people should say that word.
If you want this white teacher to be reading the n word out loud to the class, with kids having no right to challenge that decision, then in fact your are saying that he should say that word, and that kids just have to take it. This doesn’t happen AT ALL in my “real world” and I’m not sure where you are that it happens in yours.
Anonymous
02/21/2024 14:27
Subject: GDS high school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who has accused the teacher of a hate crime?
That was hyperbole, but you get the point. We can just stick with public shamibg.
What procedural rights do you think students who are offended should have, if any?
(not talking about the Toni Morrison situation, but in general)
GDS parent.
None. There should be no "I'm offended" procedural right. Any such procedure will become the embodiment of the worst acting, most fragile member of the community even if the original intention was good
No one is saying we want people to run around saying the n-word willy nilly. We are talking about reading scholarly works in class as the author intended them to be read.
Just imagine when these kids go into the real world.
???? What “real world” are you living in where white people are saying the n word, in any context? This is very, very basic stuff and I think you have missed a boat or two.
Read my post again. I said i am NOT saying people should say that word.
Anonymous
02/21/2024 14:10
Subject: GDS high school
I did, and it doesn't support your point at all.
Anonymous
02/21/2024 13:54
Subject: GDS high school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Censoring Toni Morrison!?!
https://time.com/6143127/toni-morrison-book-bans/
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
You might want to read that article again but this time pay attention to the defense of why her works are important.
I cited the article as an example of what real censoring looks like.
and you didn't read it
Anonymous
02/21/2024 13:53
Subject: GDS high school
Anonymous wrote:You are the one talking about book bans. I want the book taught, and I want all kids in the room to be able to process that teaching, which means having respect for whether or not they want to hear their white teacher saying the n word during class. It’s just not as hard as you’re making it out to be. Morrison can write it. But I don’t see her saying anywhere that she hopes white teachers will say it when teaching her book, nor that she wants kids to say it at one another as part of the class discussion. You can discuss the topics raised by the word without saying that one specific word. This isn’t rocket science, and you’re creating a strawman by implying that you can’t discuss the underlying ideas without saying that one specific word. It’s ridiculous.
"“Efforts to censor, starve, regulate and annihilate us are clear signs that something important has taken place,” she wrote. “The thought that leads me to contemplate with dread the erasure of other voices, of unwritten novels, [b]poems whispered or swallowed for fear of being overheard by the wrong people, outlawed languages flourishing underground, essayists questions challenging authority never being posed, unstaged plays, canceled films—that thought is a nightmare. As though a whole universe is being described in invisible ink.”"
Those are her words about this very subject and this very book.
Anonymous
02/21/2024 13:50
Subject: GDS high school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Censoring Toni Morrison!?!
https://time.com/6143127/toni-morrison-book-bans/
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
You might want to read that article again but this time pay attention to the defense of why her works are important.
I cited the article as an example of what real censoring looks like.
Anonymous
02/21/2024 13:48
Subject: GDS high school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who has accused the teacher of a hate crime?
That was hyperbole, but you get the point. We can just stick with public shamibg.
What procedural rights do you think students who are offended should have, if any?
(not talking about the Toni Morrison situation, but in general)
GDS parent.
None. There should be no "I'm offended" procedural right. Any such procedure will become the embodiment of the worst acting, most fragile member of the community even if the original intention was good
No one is saying we want people to run around saying the n-word willy nilly. We are talking about reading scholarly works in class as the author intended them to be read.
Just imagine when these kids go into the real world.
???? What “real world” are you living in where white people are saying the n word, in any context? This is very, very basic stuff and I think you have missed a boat or two.
Anonymous
02/21/2024 13:46
Subject: GDS high school
You are the one talking about book bans. I want the book taught, and I want all kids in the room to be able to process that teaching, which means having respect for whether or not they want to hear their white teacher saying the n word during class. It’s just not as hard as you’re making it out to be. Morrison can write it. But I don’t see her saying anywhere that she hopes white teachers will say it when teaching her book, nor that she wants kids to say it at one another as part of the class discussion. You can discuss the topics raised by the word without saying that one specific word. This isn’t rocket science, and you’re creating a strawman by implying that you can’t discuss the underlying ideas without saying that one specific word. It’s ridiculous.
Anonymous
02/21/2024 13:40
Subject: GDS high school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who has accused the teacher of a hate crime?
That was hyperbole, but you get the point. We can just stick with public shamibg.
What procedural rights do you think students who are offended should have, if any?
(not talking about the Toni Morrison situation, but in general)
GDS parent.
None. There should be no "I'm offended" procedural right. Any such procedure will become the embodiment of the worst acting, most fragile member of the community even if the original intention was good
No one is saying we want people to run around saying the n-word willy nilly. We are talking about reading scholarly works in class as the author intended them to be read.
Just imagine when these kids go into the real world.
Anonymous
02/21/2024 13:38
Subject: GDS high school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Censoring Toni Morrison!?!
https://time.com/6143127/toni-morrison-book-bans/
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
You might want to read that article again but this time pay attention to the defense of why her works are important.
Anonymous
02/21/2024 13:33
Subject: GDS high school
Anonymous wrote:Censoring Toni Morrison!?!
https://time.com/6143127/toni-morrison-book-bans/
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
Anonymous
02/21/2024 13:30
Subject: GDS high school
Censoring Toni Morrison!?!
Anonymous
02/21/2024 13:21
Subject: GDS high school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who has accused the teacher of a hate crime?
That was hyperbole, but you get the point. We can just stick with public shamibg.
What procedural rights do you think students who are offended should have, if any?
(not talking about the Toni Morrison situation, but in general)
Anonymous
02/21/2024 13:09
Subject: GDS high school
PP here.
Relating to and empathizing with a situation and being the actual victim are not the same thing. Part of education is being able to see that distinction.
Relating to and empathizing with a situation and being the actual victim are not the same thing. Part of education is being able to see that distinction.
Anonymous
02/21/2024 13:08
Subject: GDS high school
PP here.
Relating to empathizing with a situation and being the actual victim are not the same thing. Part of education is being able to see that distinction.
Relating to empathizing with a situation and being the actual victim are not the same thing. Part of education is being able to see that distinction.