Anonymous wrote:If Grammys are voted on by their peers, then it is Beyonce's peers who have not deemed her worthy of Album of the Year. And maybe, just maybe, she should do some introspection and figure out why her peers have never chosen her.

She should act more like a baby calf?

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Anonymous wrote:Not to join the Taylor what the heck were you doing train but why in the world did she bring Lana up?! Lana had just lost the aoty and looked so disappointed. Lana didn't even say anything. I felt awful for her

Same here. Taylor appeared to literally drag Lana up on to the stage, where she attempted to hide until Taylor insisted that she come out. Very awkward, poorly handled moment.

Did she actually do that? Why?! Lana is so talented and has a very loyal fan base and so much respect. I think it's rude and condescending if it happened the way described here. She needs no hyping.

They came together and sat together and Lana was featured on Midnights, so it is not totally random.

It did not look like Lana wanted to go up, at all, and did so only because Taylor was just in her own world in that moment and Lana didn't want to make a scene.

It also winds up being super rude to the other nominees, going out of her way to tout Lana but say nothing about any of them. Especially in a year where the the list was almost entirely female artists. I love Lana del Rey and actually much preferred her album to Taylor's this year. But to single Lana out in that way, even if she is on one track on Midnights, and say nothing about Janelle, Phoebe, SZA, Miley? And of course she said nothing about Olivia, they have beef.

Her whole speech came off as incredibly self-involved and obnoxious. "I'd love to tell you this is the happiest moment of my life"? No one expects you to say that because you've won this exact award three times before.

And the "shocked face" when she wins? She is not some 19 year old ingenue anymore. It is getting SO old.

I saw some annoyed faces in the crowd as she was getting into her antics going on stage. People are sick of her. Just absolutely over it. And I'm sorry, she may have some good songs, but she also produces a lot of drivel and her body of work is simply not good enough from an artistic perspective for people to ignore this stuff.

They played Karma when she won the award, which is NOT the best song on Midnights and kind of highlighted for me how weak the album is. They should have played Anti Hero but I think it would have felt a little to on the nose.

Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen Taylor live twice and was blown away last night by how awkward she is in real life. She’s like a baby calf who doesn’t know how to walk. It’s actually remarkable she goes from that being her natural state to a decent performer (she’s a terrible dancer even rehearsed so I won’t say a good performer, but it’s a 180 degree difference from THAT)

lol! The baby calf comparison is perfect. In the other Taylor thread people said she being intentionally being manipulative with her fans by creating a strong parasocial relationship with. Guys, I think she's actually just that cringy in real life. Deep down she's still that weird tumblr girl (me too!)

If Grammys are voted on by their peers, then it is Beyonce's peers who have not deemed her worthy of Album of the Year. And maybe, just maybe, she should do some introspection and figure out why her peers have never chosen her.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to join the Taylor what the heck were you doing train but why in the world did she bring Lana up?! Lana had just lost the aoty and looked so disappointed. Lana didn't even say anything. I felt awful for her

I think because Lana sings on one of the Midnights tracks, so she was technically part of the album. But yeah, Lana clearly didn’t want to share in that moment.

I think it was pure awkwardness/Taylor being unable to think beyond herself in that moment. Lana was sitting right next to Taylor when they announced it. I think as Taylor took her "moment" first acting surprised and then doing handshake/hug thing with a producer on her other side, she went to hug Lana, correctly read Lana's disappointment on her face, and then thought "oh I will fix this by bringing her on stage and saying how great she is." She was just uncomfortable with the fact that Lana was more disappointed for herself than thrilled for Taylor in the moment (totally understandable), and chose to make it MORE awkward by dragging Lana up rather than just graciously accepting the award and letting someone else fell however she was going to feel about it.

It was controlling and immature and I felt bad for Lana. Honestly I felt bad for everyone involved because you could tell they were all just tolerating Taylor's antics.

That producer is Aaron Dessner. She wouldn't be winning these awards without him.

Dessner is a musical genius. Guitarist for The National (which is Taylor's favorite rock band, natch). Works with Taylor, Ed Sheeran. His twin brother is also in the band and also a classical composer. He's a real tour de force.

Aaron Dessner and the National are great, but I think it's Jack Antonoff who you should be giving the props to.

Maybe Jack was the image referred to. But Aaron held the pen on most of Evermore, Folklore, and three on Midnights.

But you're right -- Aaron is more the co-songwriter than producer.

It's clearly a collaborative. And it's not like she NEEDS them to be successful, but they're augmenting her superstardom, IMO.

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I’m sorry but I don’t think there is anything worse than speculating on these things. People waste so much time diagnosing people they’ve never met.

None of us are diagnosising her. Just giving reasons why she might come off as different/rude. People on twitter were calling her some terrible names and where it could be very possible there's more under the surface.

It's Taylor's world, we are all just living in it. Like it or not.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to join the Taylor what the heck were you doing train but why in the world did she bring Lana up?! Lana had just lost the aoty and looked so disappointed. Lana didn't even say anything. I felt awful for her

I think because Lana sings on one of the Midnights tracks, so she was technically part of the album. But yeah, Lana clearly didn’t want to share in that moment.

I think it was pure awkwardness/Taylor being unable to think beyond herself in that moment. Lana was sitting right next to Taylor when they announced it. I think as Taylor took her "moment" first acting surprised and then doing handshake/hug thing with a producer on her other side, she went to hug Lana, correctly read Lana's disappointment on her face, and then thought "oh I will fix this by bringing her on stage and saying how great she is." She was just uncomfortable with the fact that Lana was more disappointed for herself than thrilled for Taylor in the moment (totally understandable), and chose to make it MORE awkward by dragging Lana up rather than just graciously accepting the award and letting someone else fell however she was going to feel about it.

It was controlling and immature and I felt bad for Lana. Honestly I felt bad for everyone involved because you could tell they were all just tolerating Taylor's antics.

That producer is Aaron Dessner. She wouldn't be winning these awards without him.

Dessner is a musical genius. Guitarist for The National (which is Taylor's favorite rock band, natch). Works with Taylor, Ed Sheeran. His twin brother is also in the band and also a classical composer. He's a real tour de force.

Aaron Dessner and the National are great, but I think it's Jack Antonoff who you should be giving the props to.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to join the Taylor what the heck were you doing train but why in the world did she bring Lana up?! Lana had just lost the aoty and looked so disappointed. Lana didn't even say anything. I felt awful for her

Same here. Taylor appeared to literally drag Lana up on to the stage, where she attempted to hide until Taylor insisted that she come out. Very awkward, poorly handled moment.

Did she actually do that? Why?! Lana is so talented and has a very loyal fan base and so much respect. I think it's rude and condescending if it happened the way described here. She needs no hyping.

They came together and sat together and Lana was featured on Midnights, so it is not totally random.

^ Taylor was looking out for her all night from the time they arrived: https://www.tiktok.com/@enews/video/7331921555582209323

The look on Blue Ivy's face was, "Oh God, please don't let him say anything embarrassing."

She looked really cute. What a wild childhood.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to join the Taylor what the heck were you doing train but why in the world did she bring Lana up?! Lana had just lost the aoty and looked so disappointed. Lana didn't even say anything. I felt awful for her

Same here. Taylor appeared to literally drag Lana up on to the stage, where she attempted to hide until Taylor insisted that she come out. Very awkward, poorly handled moment.

Did she actually do that? Why?! Lana is so talented and has a very loyal fan base and so much respect. I think it's rude and condescending if it happened the way described here. She needs no hyping.

They came together and sat together and Lana was featured on Midnights, so it is not totally random.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to join the Taylor what the heck were you doing train but why in the world did she bring Lana up?! Lana had just lost the aoty and looked so disappointed. Lana didn't even say anything. I felt awful for her

Same here. Taylor appeared to literally drag Lana up on to the stage, where she attempted to hide until Taylor insisted that she come out. Very awkward, poorly handled moment.

Did she actually do that? Why?! Lana is so talented and has a very loyal fan base and so much respect. I think it's rude and condescending if it happened the way described here. She needs no hyping.

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I’m sorry but I don’t think there is anything worse than speculating on these things. People waste so much time diagnosing people they’ve never met.

Her awkwardness is baked in. Fans know she is and that is part of why they like her.

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Anonymous wrote:She totally took the Grammy and bounced from Celine. She also dragged Lana Del Ray up there who was also up for Album of the year against her. Not really thoughtful of others in the moment. I think we all watched Taylor’s Ego show up in that moment.

+1. She is very chaotic at times… Awkward when not rehearsed.

I am bias because i like Taylor a lot but she comes off as neruotypical. She has a lot of friends but the way she interacts with them isn't like other women her age.

I am guessing you meant neurodivergent or not neurotypical? That's an interesting thought. It goes unchecked in women a lot because of masking. I watched her doc with my dd and did pick up on her awkwardness especially during serious conversations.

PP whose DH loves her music. I actually have wondered this before.