Anonymous wrote:That would have been WOW a few years ago. Now word is out about some of those schools. A Harvard/Penn/Cornell/Columbia degree is going to worth far less and it's going to be easier to get in. Harvard already admits they have fewer applicants and more people turned down ED. A lot of workplaces don't want to be concerned that you can can't cope with diversity. Jews may only be something like .2% of the population, but you need to be able to be respectful of Jewish clients and coworkers. The degree alone will make people side-eye you unless it is from the era post first round of Jewish quotas and pre Jew hate...so maybe 70s, 80s or 90s are OK.

I can't disagree. Even before the recent antisemitism and the revelation that the current president is a bona fide plagiarist and the less than impressive handling / enabling / cover up of it all that does strongly suggest unflattering internal politics and ideologies, it was already becoming apparent a Harvard degree didn't guarantee the kind of graduate you could take for granted in the past. In recruiting for consulting roles we were effectively dividing the applicants into top 50%, comparable to past decades, and the bottom 50%, who were clearly admitted for identity reasons. The gap between the two is glaring.

It's not exclusive to Harvard, most of the elite schools practice similar ideologies these days and the outcome is that an elite college degree alone doesn't impress me any more. The changes in the last 10 years have been pronounced.

The irony, perhaps, is that if the elite schools' stranglehold on "prestige" is substantially weakening and badly damaged, it makes the whole college world more equitable! Just not in the way the elite schools might have expected.

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Anonymous wrote:Last year, 84 percent of accepted students at Harvard college enrolled in the college - highest yield by far. The REA came down a bit from historically high rates post COVID. I am pretty sure Harvard is going to be just fine.

That was pre-October 7th. If you are looking for a job in Qatar or you are well-connected already or you plan to have your kid work for you your kid will be fine. It's a lot of money to invest for a school that is so tarnished. Same for most of the ivies right now as well as MIT, Stanford. A lot of interviewers won't have that old glimmer of excitement in their eyes and will instead be thinking what questions they can legally ask you to make sure you aren't part of the groups that supported a terrorist group.

lol, you are in the middle of a fever dream.

Spend your money however you like. We'll see how Harvard grads do getting jobs from now on.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it a surprise a woke school gets kids into woke schools? They want different. Every essay is about your identity and difference.

Use of "woke" term. Ugh.

Too much FOX news.

Most conservatives don't watch Fox. It's old people and RINO's.

Real ‘Mericans watch Newsmax.

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Anonymous wrote:Last year, 84 percent of accepted students at Harvard college enrolled in the college - highest yield by far. The REA came down a bit from historically high rates post COVID. I am pretty sure Harvard is going to be just fine.

That was pre-October 7th. If you are looking for a job in Qatar or you are well-connected already or you plan to have your kid work for you your kid will be fine. It's a lot of money to invest for a school that is so tarnished. Same for most of the ivies right now as well as MIT, Stanford. A lot of interviewers won't have that old glimmer of excitement in their eyes and will instead be thinking what questions they can legally ask you to make sure you aren't part of the groups that supported a terrorist group.

lol, you are in the middle of a fever dream.

Anonymous wrote:Last year, 84 percent of accepted students at Harvard college enrolled in the college - highest yield by far. The REA came down a bit from historically high rates post COVID. I am pretty sure Harvard is going to be just fine.

That was pre-October 7th. If you are looking for a job in Qatar or you are well-connected already or you plan to have your kid work for you your kid will be fine. It's a lot of money to invest for a school that is so tarnished. Same for most of the ivies right now as well as MIT, Stanford. A lot of interviewers won't have that old glimmer of excitement in their eyes and will instead be thinking what questions they can legally ask you to make sure you aren't part of the groups that supported a terrorist group.

In some circles an ivy degree is worth a great deal. But it can close just as many doors as it opens. That's always been true.

Last year, 84 percent of accepted students at Harvard college enrolled in the college - highest yield by far. The REA came down a bit from historically high rates post COVID. I am pretty sure Harvard is going to be just fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it a surprise a woke school gets kids into woke schools? They want different. Every essay is about your identity and difference.

Use of "woke" term. Ugh.

Too much FOX news.

Most conservatives don't watch Fox. It's old people and RINO's.

Anonymous wrote:Is it a surprise a woke school gets kids into woke schools? They want different. Every essay is about your identity and difference.

Use of "woke" term. Ugh.

Too much FOX news.

Anonymous wrote:Private school must be like a different world -- kids commit and don't have to fill out FAFSA first. That's so far from my reality and everyone else I know.

Reality check. Lots of us in PS are also filling out FAFSA. Mind your presumptions.

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Anonymous wrote:That would have been WOW a few years ago. Now word is out about some of those schools. A Harvard/Penn/Cornell/Columbia degree is going to worth far less and it's going to be easier to get in. Harvard already admits they have fewer applicants and more people turned down ED. A lot of workplaces don't want to be concerned that you can can't cope with diversity. Jews may only be something like .2% of the population, but you need to be able to be respectful of Jewish clients and coworkers. The degree alone will make people side-eye you unless it is from the era post first round of Jewish quotas and pre Jew hate...so maybe 70s, 80s or 90s are OK.

Kids are not thinking about this at all and neither would I. I’m hopeful of a dip in apps the year my DC applies so there’s less competition for these schools but definitely not counting on it.

Yes, I doubt kids are thinking about it, but a lot of families are and unless you are wealthy, which a lot of these families likely are, you cannot afford the risk of the school's name making your kid less of a candidate. These schools will end up having a lot of wealthy families, probably an increasing percentage with ties to places like Qatar, Jordan, etc and the money stream will keep coming even if the US government refuses to give any more money. The thing is middle class families need their kids to be fully employable and won't have the connections to make sure their kids get a job. Harvard used to open so many doors, now it will close more doors.

Anonymous wrote:That would have been WOW a few years ago. Now word is out about some of those schools. A Harvard/Penn/Cornell/Columbia degree is going to worth far less and it's going to be easier to get in. Harvard already admits they have fewer applicants and more people turned down ED. A lot of workplaces don't want to be concerned that you can can't cope with diversity. Jews may only be something like .2% of the population, but you need to be able to be respectful of Jewish clients and coworkers. The degree alone will make people side-eye you unless it is from the era post first round of Jewish quotas and pre Jew hate...so maybe 70s, 80s or 90s are OK.

Kids are not thinking about this at all and neither would I. I’m hopeful of a dip in apps the year my DC applies so there’s less competition for these schools but definitely not counting on it.

That would have been WOW a few years ago. Now word is out about some of those schools. A Harvard/Penn/Cornell/Columbia degree is going to worth far less and it's going to be easier to get in. Harvard already admits they have fewer applicants and more people turned down ED. A lot of workplaces don't want to be concerned that you can can't cope with diversity. Jews may only be something like .2% of the population, but you need to be able to be respectful of Jewish clients and coworkers. The degree alone will make people side-eye you unless it is from the era post first round of Jewish quotas and pre Jew hate...so maybe 70s, 80s or 90s are OK.

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Anonymous wrote:Actual Parent: here's what's posted on the Insta page in terms of top tier
Other kids may have gotten in places but have not posted yet.
3 harvard
2 cornell
1 princeton
1 penn
1 Columbia
1 Vanderbilt
This seems good but not Stellar
Let's see what happens tommorrow with Northwestern Etc

Looks pretty impressive to me.

NOT a GDS parent

Agree

Yes, truly impressive.

+1 Not a GDS parent but this is an impressive list so far.

It is however we don’t know how many other of the 150 or so applied ED and did not get in. You only ever see the first crop of these typically more impressive (air quoted) schools in ED anyway, at privates. There will be a more balanced outcome overall come April. Wait and see.

Noticed this last year - the majority of Ivy attendees post in December. Less likely in April. But I did not notice privates did very well with waitlists, especially at SLACs.

Is it a surprise a woke school gets kids into woke schools? They want different. Every essay is about your identity and difference.