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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's as simple as voting Dems and GOP out. I think there are Dems who also support NRA and pro gun. This is not about the right for gun ownership rather the ability and knowledge to use a gun safely. You'll never be able to magically wipe out (at least not now!) gun ownership - too many out there. And having spent years fighting the gun lobby, I think it hasn't been energy well spent. To rid guns from the street is a pipe dream.

BUT we can look at who gets the guns, track them and put a process by which they have to legally follow in order to continue to own them. I may not be able to take away the right for someone who suggests they have a right to own in this country, but I can make them follow specific processes to try to promote public safety and abilities to use them the wrong way. There's more than 1 way to skin a cat so to speak

I’m not sure if you’re responding to me (13:35) but I may not have been clear. We will make no progress, on any aspect of this, as long as the GOP has enough power to block legislation at the state and federal level. They will allow no laws about tracking, public safety, mental health, nothing.

I come from a hunting family. I don’t give a rat’s if people own hunting rifles (but if you invited my kids over, I want to know they’re in a safe). But people who insist on an arsenal of guns that require no aiming, that can tear humans apart and make pink slime of little children’s bodies, that essentially have endless ammo - this is not acceptable. This is not fun. This is unsafe. It is tearing America apart and I believe that’s what the GOP wants.

“Require no aiming.”

Don’t know much about firearms, do you?

DP. That was easily understood. The AR-15 is a popular gun because it is easy to use, fun, and almost point-and-shoot. Aiming in the general direction is good enough.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's as simple as voting Dems and GOP out. I think there are Dems who also support NRA and pro gun. This is not about the right for gun ownership rather the ability and knowledge to use a gun safely. You'll never be able to magically wipe out (at least not now!) gun ownership - too many out there. And having spent years fighting the gun lobby, I think it hasn't been energy well spent. To rid guns from the street is a pipe dream.

BUT we can look at who gets the guns, track them and put a process by which they have to legally follow in order to continue to own them. I may not be able to take away the right for someone who suggests they have a right to own in this country, but I can make them follow specific processes to try to promote public safety and abilities to use them the wrong way. There's more than 1 way to skin a cat so to speak

I’m not sure if you’re responding to me (13:35) but I may not have been clear. We will make no progress, on any aspect of this, as long as the GOP has enough power to block legislation at the state and federal level. They will allow no laws about tracking, public safety, mental health, nothing.

I come from a hunting family. I don’t give a rat’s if people own hunting rifles (but if you invited my kids over, I want to know they’re in a safe). But people who insist on an arsenal of guns that require no aiming, that can tear humans apart and make pink slime of little children’s bodies, that essentially have endless ammo - this is not acceptable. This is not fun. This is unsafe. It is tearing America apart and I believe that’s what the GOP wants.

“Require no aiming.”

Don’t know much about firearms, do you?

Anonymous wrote:When nothing changed after Sandy Hook, I realized that nothing is going to change.

It doesn’t matter where it happens.
It doesn’t matter if it’s young children.

We are desensitized to violence.

Nobody cares about anybody.

The best you can hope for is save yourself, save your family.

No, not “we.” Republicans. And they’re not desensitized, they welcome this. It makes them money, every time.

Meanwhile in simple solutions to begin to address complex problems, there’s one gun at fault in most of these mass murders.

Dude's dead. I'm pretty sure he shot himself. If a bear gets him, the body might never be found.

When nothing changed after Sandy Hook, I realized that nothing is going to change.

It doesn’t matter where it happens.
It doesn’t matter if it’s young children.

We are desensitized to violence.

Nobody cares about anybody.

The best you can hope for is save yourself, save your family.

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's as simple as voting Dems and GOP out. I think there are Dems who also support NRA and pro gun. This is not about the right for gun ownership rather the ability and knowledge to use a gun safely. You'll never be able to magically wipe out (at least not now!) gun ownership - too many out there. And having spent years fighting the gun lobby, I think it hasn't been energy well spent. To rid guns from the street is a pipe dream.

BUT we can look at who gets the guns, track them and put a process by which they have to legally follow in order to continue to own them. I may not be able to take away the right for someone who suggests they have a right to own in this country, but I can make them follow specific processes to try to promote public safety and abilities to use them the wrong way. There's more than 1 way to skin a cat so to speak

I’m not sure if you’re responding to me (13:35) but I may not have been clear. We will make no progress, on any aspect of this, as long as the GOP has enough power to block legislation at the state and federal level. They will allow no laws about tracking, public safety, mental health, nothing.

I come from a hunting family. I don’t give a rat’s if people own hunting rifles (but if you invited my kids over, I want to know they’re in a safe). But people who insist on an arsenal of guns that require no aiming, that can tear humans apart and make pink slime of little children’s bodies, that essentially have endless ammo - this is not acceptable. This is not fun. This is unsafe. It is tearing America apart and I believe that’s what the GOP wants.

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's as simple as voting Dems and GOP out. I think there are Dems who also support NRA and pro gun. This is not about the right for gun ownership rather the ability and knowledge to use a gun safely. You'll never be able to magically wipe out (at least not now!) gun ownership - too many out there. And having spent years fighting the gun lobby, I think it hasn't been energy well spent. To rid guns from the street is a pipe dream.

BUT we can look at who gets the guns, track them and put a process by which they have to legally follow in order to continue to own them. I may not be able to take away the right for someone who suggests they have a right to own in this country, but I can make them follow specific processes to try to promote public safety and abilities to use them the wrong way. There's more than 1 way to skin a cat so to speak

There is nothing wrong with being pro-gun.

There is no reason the mentally ill should be able to get guns.
There is no reason for assault weapons on our streets.

You want to shoot beercans in your backyard? Great.
You want to go deer or duck hunting? Great.
You want a weapon to protect against an intruder on your property? Great.

Beyond that. it is performative and absurd.

I don't think it's as simple as voting Dems and GOP out. I think there are Dems who also support NRA and pro gun. This is not about the right for gun ownership rather the ability and knowledge to use a gun safely. You'll never be able to magically wipe out (at least not now!) gun ownership - too many out there. And having spent years fighting the gun lobby, I think it hasn't been energy well spent. To rid guns from the street is a pipe dream.

BUT we can look at who gets the guns, track them and put a process by which they have to legally follow in order to continue to own them. I may not be able to take away the right for someone who suggests they have a right to own in this country, but I can make them follow specific processes to try to promote public safety and abilities to use them the wrong way. There's more than 1 way to skin a cat so to speak

Sandy Hook was awhile ago. I agree that more should have happened as a result of that tragedy by way of limiting arms to public but it is a different time now and things can change.

Having said that, I don't think it will because there really are just too many out there. I'm also for background checks but let's face it, it doesn't catch crazies who become nuts. You can be mentally stable and develop issues that make it dangerous for the public because you own a firearm and in situations like that, background checks will not prevent the sales of the guns.

I think a more effective way of limiting the population to possessing, using and respecting gun ownership would be mandatory gun safety classes. Even tack on a fee to for a license. Make it DIFFICULT and a process to own a gun. Ensure that those who really want to purchase one take the time to know how to use it. Make it a painful process to do so and that way, most people unless they are really truly convinced they want to have one, will likely be unmotivated to buy them.

The issue is that it's too easy. Too easy to find, own, use. Too easy to misplace, misuse and everyone thinks they need one. As long as this continues, there's no real stop gap to limit gun use.

Anonymous wrote:He has a boat and it’s missing
https://themessenger.com/news/maine-shooting-robert-card-boat-missing-coast-guard-searching-kennebec-river

Wow that is frightening.

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Anonymous wrote:We need a billionaire to step in and bankroll as many lawsuits as possible against gun and ammunition manufacturers, to bankrupt them. Get them out of business.

That's probably the only one realistic way, through the market. Make these weapons of mass destruction hard to get by shutting down the manufacturers.

until someone puts a bullet in the heads of said billionaire. I have a friend who use to work for Bloomberg, you have no idea how many death threats he gets and how large of a security team he has to have.

Mitt Romney spends $5K per day on private security since voting to convict Trump.

And the Republicans in the House just became 100% MAGA, every last one.

The GOP loves the instability. Our vote in 2024 keeps becoming more important. It’s got to be 100% Democrats. The GOP must totally crash and burn and a new, rational party needs to arise. We shouldn’t all have to live in fear all the time because of the GOP.

Anonymous wrote:Just to bring this conversation back to the reality of the situation. I live outside of Portland. It was youth night at the bowling alley where the shooter hit and there was a team of deaf children bowling.

This guy, despite what is being said in this thread, had a history of actually being a good guy. His family is saying this is some acute incident and so are his army reservist colleagues. Which isn't to defend him but to say it is actually very difficult to figure out when someone is truly snapping, and it can in fact happen rather suddenly.

So when all of you speak up against gun control you are of course all essentially saying that a man's right to have weapons is more important than deaf children being able to bow, elementary schoolers who are going to school, concert goers, people shopping at wal-mart, etc.

We have been saying this for decades. To the far right, the right to bear arms supersedes everyone else's ability to live their lives in a fear-from-gun-violence manner. I am not sure that is what the Founders had in mind with the second amendment. Conservative Justices used to agree: