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Anonymous wrote:Janney is 70% demographically white and 2% at risk. Im not saying we necessarily need to change it. Maybe its a great school with strong neighborhood buy in that reflects the demographics of its immediate surrounding neighborhood. But its really really not diverse for a public school in DC.

In terms of diversity, it seems pretty middle of the pack for DCPS. I'm not going to go through every elementary school in the city, but if you look at the 9 by-right high schools that have demographic available, it's more mixed than 5 out of the 9. I'm guessing MacArthur (which doesn't have the data up yet) will be more mixed, which would mean 5 of the DCPS high schools being more racially mixed than Janney, 5 being less racially mixed than Janney.

The overblown reaction to it here is pretty weird.

Anonymous wrote:Janney is 70% demographically white and 2% at risk. Im not saying we necessarily need to change it. Maybe its a great school with strong neighborhood buy in that reflects the demographics of its immediate surrounding neighborhood. But its really really not diverse for a public school in DC.

Anonymous wrote:The PP’s point was presumably that the demographics at these schools are far removed from the district numbers.

Anonymous wrote:The PP’s point was presumably that the demographics at these schools are far removed from the district numbers.

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Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

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Anonymous wrote:Ward is irrelevant to DCPS catchments.

You are incorrect. Unless there is a programmatic reason (e.g., foreign language), feeder paths have been and are generally supposed to be within one's ward. In part, because council members are divided by wards and routinely advocate for the schools within their wards. As do ANCs -divided by wards, as well as stakeholder organizations (educational advocacy groups, etc), which are divided by ward. This was, in fact, one of the explanations given to Crestwood when it was zoned out of Deal/Wilson (now J-R).

This is not and never has been correct regarding feeder paths. Easiest example -- Lafayette has always been Ward 3 and 4.

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Anonymous wrote:Ward is irrelevant to DCPS catchments.

You are incorrect. Unless there is a programmatic reason (e.g., foreign language), feeder paths have been and are generally supposed to be within one's ward. In part, because council members are divided by wards and routinely advocate for the schools within their wards. As do ANCs -divided by wards, as well as stakeholder organizations (educational advocacy groups, etc), which are divided by ward. This was, in fact, one of the explanations given to Crestwood when it was zoned out of Deal/Wilson (now J-R).

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Anonymous wrote:Question for the Whittier poster - were you not aware of the crappy building and rats before you enrolled your child? Another question- once you became aware, did you choose to keep your child there, with no assurances from anyone that the situation was going to change? If the answer to either one of these questions is yes, then sit down somewhere and focus on making some choices that will actually help your child rather than complaining into the void of DCUM. Move or play the lottery. It gets so tiring when people refuse to play the cards they’ve been dealt. Assume nothing will change in DCPS and be surprised when it does. Make your choices accordingly (and if you are posting here, you probably do have choices)

I am a Whittier parent and we didn’t get in to any other school in the lottery. You know that happens right? This is why people complain about upper NW parents not actually giving a crap about anyone else. But when their Petunia doesn’t get into a higher level math class then burn the whole system down.

Y’all are missing the point. The very thing you hate about the NW parents is that they are not afraid to go crazy over anything they think is not in line with an ideal education. So the thing that you hate about them is what makes them so successful. And they don’t really spend their time unleashing their crazy to this forum (even if it seems like it…I know a few like to argue here). They mostly unleash their crazy on school admin, city council, DCPS, the Mayor’s office, the Washington Post, etc.

So here is my advice. And I am being serious not snarky. Instead of analyzing on here your various levels of hate of this kind of parent behavior and then wishing their kids would go to your school so they can do the “crazy” work for your school…spend your time adopting a little “crazy” and going after the people who can do something. Maybe email the PTA’s of these places and ask for advice on how to be as crazy as they are. Do you really think they would embarrass themselves in this way if it didn’t work to go ape s**t if they don’t get nice buildings, AP course offerings and the like?

It’s not the zero sum game you think it is. There is room for every school to succeed. DCPS/government is lazy with your school because they can be. You are model parents to them. Gold star. And what do you get for it?

New to this convo, but if anyone asked me to explain the DCUM population, I'd just show them the screenshot I took. 10/10 crazy

Sure. There are crazies here. My point is that being crazy here gets you very little. Being crazy with public officials gets you a lot.

So much ignorance to unpack. Whittier is in NW. NW does not begin and end with Chevy Chase and Glover Park. MC kids not IB for Deal/J-R/ the new “Palisades Prep,” are spending hours in the car every day commuting to Hyde-Addison and Hearst just for a chance to attend Hardy or Deal. We are doing are part - and we are making noise - but we are also going to call out the hypocrisy of out of ward feeders, double optional feeders, entitled behavior from Chevy Chase, Bancroft, Shepherd, JkLM, etc. etc.

What are these?

Expensive neighborhoods and schools in expensive neighborhoods.

(JKLM = Janney, Key, Lafayette, Mann)

No, the bolded: out of ward feeders, double optional feeders

Shepherd (out of ward), Bancroft (out of ward/dual feeder), a good chunk of Lafayette is out of ward, Oyster-Adams (double feeder), Murch has a chunk out of ward. Ross, I think. There a few others.

Bancroft has three possible feeds, Deal, MacFarland and CHEC.

Seems ward boundaries and school boundaries are not the same for so many schools.

During the last boundar review, Bancroft, Shepherd, and Lafayette were supposed to be routed out of Deal-Wilson, and mayor intervened, b/c she used to represent Ward 4. She’s a lame duck now, and will not be allowed to intervene again per Mendelson.

You are so brazenly full of garbage. How is the mayor a lame duck?

Because she’s in her third term, and highly unlikely to run for a 4th term. That’s the usual definition of a lame duck. Last time she didn’t have a kid in a school that’s under consideration for re-routing. Now she does. She got a lot of flack when she intervened before. The council is on record as saying that they want the process to go forward without a thumb on the scale, and the deputy mayor is heavily involved with the roll-out.

I think it's hilarious that you continue to state anyone is being considered of re-routing. Have you seen any proposals yet or you just assuming? For the millionth time, Coolidge and Roosevelt are more crowded than Jackson Reed. JR is now well under capacity. The only way Lafayette or Shepherd gets re-routed is if there were a new middle school all together.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for the Whittier poster - were you not aware of the crappy building and rats before you enrolled your child? Another question- once you became aware, did you choose to keep your child there, with no assurances from anyone that the situation was going to change? If the answer to either one of these questions is yes, then sit down somewhere and focus on making some choices that will actually help your child rather than complaining into the void of DCUM. Move or play the lottery. It gets so tiring when people refuse to play the cards they’ve been dealt. Assume nothing will change in DCPS and be surprised when it does. Make your choices accordingly (and if you are posting here, you probably do have choices)

I am a Whittier parent and we didn’t get in to any other school in the lottery. You know that happens right? This is why people complain about upper NW parents not actually giving a crap about anyone else. But when their Petunia doesn’t get into a higher level math class then burn the whole system down.

Y’all are missing the point. The very thing you hate about the NW parents is that they are not afraid to go crazy over anything they think is not in line with an ideal education. So the thing that you hate about them is what makes them so successful. And they don’t really spend their time unleashing their crazy to this forum (even if it seems like it…I know a few like to argue here). They mostly unleash their crazy on school admin, city council, DCPS, the Mayor’s office, the Washington Post, etc.

So here is my advice. And I am being serious not snarky. Instead of analyzing on here your various levels of hate of this kind of parent behavior and then wishing their kids would go to your school so they can do the “crazy” work for your school…spend your time adopting a little “crazy” and going after the people who can do something. Maybe email the PTA’s of these places and ask for advice on how to be as crazy as they are. Do you really think they would embarrass themselves in this way if it didn’t work to go ape s**t if they don’t get nice buildings, AP course offerings and the like?

It’s not the zero sum game you think it is. There is room for every school to succeed. DCPS/government is lazy with your school because they can be. You are model parents to them. Gold star. And what do you get for it?

New to this convo, but if anyone asked me to explain the DCUM population, I'd just show them the screenshot I took. 10/10 crazy

Sure. There are crazies here. My point is that being crazy here gets you very little. Being crazy with public officials gets you a lot.

So much ignorance to unpack. Whittier is in NW. NW does not begin and end with Chevy Chase and Glover Park. MC kids not IB for Deal/J-R/ the new “Palisades Prep,” are spending hours in the car every day commuting to Hyde-Addison and Hearst just for a chance to attend Hardy or Deal. We are doing are part - and we are making noise - but we are also going to call out the hypocrisy of out of ward feeders, double optional feeders, entitled behavior from Chevy Chase, Bancroft, Shepherd, JkLM, etc. etc.

What are these?

Expensive neighborhoods and schools in expensive neighborhoods.

(JKLM = Janney, Key, Lafayette, Mann)

No, the bolded: out of ward feeders, double optional feeders

Shepherd (out of ward), Bancroft (out of ward/dual feeder), a good chunk of Lafayette is out of ward, Oyster-Adams (double feeder), Murch has a chunk out of ward. Ross, I think. There a few others.

Bancroft has three possible feeds, Deal, MacFarland and CHEC.

Seems ward boundaries and school boundaries are not the same for so many schools.

During the last boundar review, Bancroft, Shepherd, and Lafayette were supposed to be routed out of Deal-Wilson, and mayor intervened, b/c she used to represent Ward 4. She’s a lame duck now, and will not be allowed to intervene again per Mendelson.

Interesting. Where would Lafayette be routed to? Wells I think is the closest middle school but it’s already full.

During the last review they were going to change the catchment for Lafayette to pull out the chunk who live in Ward 4. Per current boundary commission, they can build out Wells and add trailers. IB participation is only 60%, so there are other things the commission is apparently considering at all schools re: OOB students.

So Wells was just rebuilt a few years ago and they might be putting kids in trailers because it isn’t big enough? That just makes no sense and shows poor planning in general.

Wells wasn't "rebuilt." It was opened as a new stand-alone middle school in 2019 so that its four feeder elementaries didn't have to continue being PK3-8 education campuses. Opening it was part of the 2014 boundary study recommendations process, plus a ton of community advocacy to tie it to the planned Coolidge modernization.

Yes, it's at capacity and thriving. My kid and his friends and teachers love it there. I wish we'd been able to better predict future enrollment back then and build for it. The process behind this boundary study and master facilities plan is designed to improve those predictions.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for the Whittier poster - were you not aware of the crappy building and rats before you enrolled your child? Another question- once you became aware, did you choose to keep your child there, with no assurances from anyone that the situation was going to change? If the answer to either one of these questions is yes, then sit down somewhere and focus on making some choices that will actually help your child rather than complaining into the void of DCUM. Move or play the lottery. It gets so tiring when people refuse to play the cards they’ve been dealt. Assume nothing will change in DCPS and be surprised when it does. Make your choices accordingly (and if you are posting here, you probably do have choices)

I am a Whittier parent and we didn’t get in to any other school in the lottery. You know that happens right? This is why people complain about upper NW parents not actually giving a crap about anyone else. But when their Petunia doesn’t get into a higher level math class then burn the whole system down.

Y’all are missing the point. The very thing you hate about the NW parents is that they are not afraid to go crazy over anything they think is not in line with an ideal education. So the thing that you hate about them is what makes them so successful. And they don’t really spend their time unleashing their crazy to this forum (even if it seems like it…I know a few like to argue here). They mostly unleash their crazy on school admin, city council, DCPS, the Mayor’s office, the Washington Post, etc.

So here is my advice. And I am being serious not snarky. Instead of analyzing on here your various levels of hate of this kind of parent behavior and then wishing their kids would go to your school so they can do the “crazy” work for your school…spend your time adopting a little “crazy” and going after the people who can do something. Maybe email the PTA’s of these places and ask for advice on how to be as crazy as they are. Do you really think they would embarrass themselves in this way if it didn’t work to go ape s**t if they don’t get nice buildings, AP course offerings and the like?

It’s not the zero sum game you think it is. There is room for every school to succeed. DCPS/government is lazy with your school because they can be. You are model parents to them. Gold star. And what do you get for it?

New to this convo, but if anyone asked me to explain the DCUM population, I'd just show them the screenshot I took. 10/10 crazy

Sure. There are crazies here. My point is that being crazy here gets you very little. Being crazy with public officials gets you a lot.

So much ignorance to unpack. Whittier is in NW. NW does not begin and end with Chevy Chase and Glover Park. MC kids not IB for Deal/J-R/ the new “Palisades Prep,” are spending hours in the car every day commuting to Hyde-Addison and Hearst just for a chance to attend Hardy or Deal. We are doing are part - and we are making noise - but we are also going to call out the hypocrisy of out of ward feeders, double optional feeders, entitled behavior from Chevy Chase, Bancroft, Shepherd, JkLM, etc. etc.

What are these?

Expensive neighborhoods and schools in expensive neighborhoods.

(JKLM = Janney, Key, Lafayette, Mann)

No, the bolded: out of ward feeders, double optional feeders

Shepherd (out of ward), Bancroft (out of ward/dual feeder), a good chunk of Lafayette is out of ward, Oyster-Adams (double feeder), Murch has a chunk out of ward. Ross, I think. There a few others.

Bancroft has three possible feeds, Deal, MacFarland and CHEC.

Seems ward boundaries and school boundaries are not the same for so many schools.

During the last boundar review, Bancroft, Shepherd, and Lafayette were supposed to be routed out of Deal-Wilson, and mayor intervened, b/c she used to represent Ward 4. She’s a lame duck now, and will not be allowed to intervene again per Mendelson.

That's just not true.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for the Whittier poster - were you not aware of the crappy building and rats before you enrolled your child? Another question- once you became aware, did you choose to keep your child there, with no assurances from anyone that the situation was going to change? If the answer to either one of these questions is yes, then sit down somewhere and focus on making some choices that will actually help your child rather than complaining into the void of DCUM. Move or play the lottery. It gets so tiring when people refuse to play the cards they’ve been dealt. Assume nothing will change in DCPS and be surprised when it does. Make your choices accordingly (and if you are posting here, you probably do have choices)

I am a Whittier parent and we didn’t get in to any other school in the lottery. You know that happens right? This is why people complain about upper NW parents not actually giving a crap about anyone else. But when their Petunia doesn’t get into a higher level math class then burn the whole system down.

Y’all are missing the point. The very thing you hate about the NW parents is that they are not afraid to go crazy over anything they think is not in line with an ideal education. So the thing that you hate about them is what makes them so successful. And they don’t really spend their time unleashing their crazy to this forum (even if it seems like it…I know a few like to argue here). They mostly unleash their crazy on school admin, city council, DCPS, the Mayor’s office, the Washington Post, etc.

So here is my advice. And I am being serious not snarky. Instead of analyzing on here your various levels of hate of this kind of parent behavior and then wishing their kids would go to your school so they can do the “crazy” work for your school…spend your time adopting a little “crazy” and going after the people who can do something. Maybe email the PTA’s of these places and ask for advice on how to be as crazy as they are. Do you really think they would embarrass themselves in this way if it didn’t work to go ape s**t if they don’t get nice buildings, AP course offerings and the like?

It’s not the zero sum game you think it is. There is room for every school to succeed. DCPS/government is lazy with your school because they can be. You are model parents to them. Gold star. And what do you get for it?

New to this convo, but if anyone asked me to explain the DCUM population, I'd just show them the screenshot I took. 10/10 crazy

Sure. There are crazies here. My point is that being crazy here gets you very little. Being crazy with public officials gets you a lot.

So much ignorance to unpack. Whittier is in NW. NW does not begin and end with Chevy Chase and Glover Park. MC kids not IB for Deal/J-R/ the new “Palisades Prep,” are spending hours in the car every day commuting to Hyde-Addison and Hearst just for a chance to attend Hardy or Deal. We are doing are part - and we are making noise - but we are also going to call out the hypocrisy of out of ward feeders, double optional feeders, entitled behavior from Chevy Chase, Bancroft, Shepherd, JkLM, etc. etc.

What are these?

Expensive neighborhoods and schools in expensive neighborhoods.

(JKLM = Janney, Key, Lafayette, Mann)

No, the bolded: out of ward feeders, double optional feeders

Shepherd (out of ward), Bancroft (out of ward/dual feeder), a good chunk of Lafayette is out of ward, Oyster-Adams (double feeder), Murch has a chunk out of ward. Ross, I think. There a few others.

Bancroft has three possible feeds, Deal, MacFarland and CHEC.

Seems ward boundaries and school boundaries are not the same for so many schools.

During the last boundar review, Bancroft, Shepherd, and Lafayette were supposed to be routed out of Deal-Wilson, and mayor intervened, b/c she used to represent Ward 4. She’s a lame duck now, and will not be allowed to intervene again per Mendelson.

Interesting. Where would Lafayette be routed to? Wells I think is the closest middle school but it’s already full.

During the last review they were going to change the catchment for Lafayette to pull out the chunk who live in Ward 4. Per current boundary commission, they can build out Wells and add trailers. IB participation is only 60%, so there are other things the commission is apparently considering at all schools re: OOB students.

So Wells was just rebuilt a few years ago and they might be putting kids in trailers because it isn’t big enough? That just makes no sense and shows poor planning in general.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for the Whittier poster - were you not aware of the crappy building and rats before you enrolled your child? Another question- once you became aware, did you choose to keep your child there, with no assurances from anyone that the situation was going to change? If the answer to either one of these questions is yes, then sit down somewhere and focus on making some choices that will actually help your child rather than complaining into the void of DCUM. Move or play the lottery. It gets so tiring when people refuse to play the cards they’ve been dealt. Assume nothing will change in DCPS and be surprised when it does. Make your choices accordingly (and if you are posting here, you probably do have choices)

I am a Whittier parent and we didn’t get in to any other school in the lottery. You know that happens right? This is why people complain about upper NW parents not actually giving a crap about anyone else. But when their Petunia doesn’t get into a higher level math class then burn the whole system down.

Y’all are missing the point. The very thing you hate about the NW parents is that they are not afraid to go crazy over anything they think is not in line with an ideal education. So the thing that you hate about them is what makes them so successful. And they don’t really spend their time unleashing their crazy to this forum (even if it seems like it…I know a few like to argue here). They mostly unleash their crazy on school admin, city council, DCPS, the Mayor’s office, the Washington Post, etc.

So here is my advice. And I am being serious not snarky. Instead of analyzing on here your various levels of hate of this kind of parent behavior and then wishing their kids would go to your school so they can do the “crazy” work for your school…spend your time adopting a little “crazy” and going after the people who can do something. Maybe email the PTA’s of these places and ask for advice on how to be as crazy as they are. Do you really think they would embarrass themselves in this way if it didn’t work to go ape s**t if they don’t get nice buildings, AP course offerings and the like?

It’s not the zero sum game you think it is. There is room for every school to succeed. DCPS/government is lazy with your school because they can be. You are model parents to them. Gold star. And what do you get for it?

New to this convo, but if anyone asked me to explain the DCUM population, I'd just show them the screenshot I took. 10/10 crazy

Sure. There are crazies here. My point is that being crazy here gets you very little. Being crazy with public officials gets you a lot.

So much ignorance to unpack. Whittier is in NW. NW does not begin and end with Chevy Chase and Glover Park. MC kids not IB for Deal/J-R/ the new “Palisades Prep,” are spending hours in the car every day commuting to Hyde-Addison and Hearst just for a chance to attend Hardy or Deal. We are doing are part - and we are making noise - but we are also going to call out the hypocrisy of out of ward feeders, double optional feeders, entitled behavior from Chevy Chase, Bancroft, Shepherd, JkLM, etc. etc.

What are these?

Expensive neighborhoods and schools in expensive neighborhoods.

(JKLM = Janney, Key, Lafayette, Mann)

No, the bolded: out of ward feeders, double optional feeders

Shepherd (out of ward), Bancroft (out of ward/dual feeder), a good chunk of Lafayette is out of ward, Oyster-Adams (double feeder), Murch has a chunk out of ward. Ross, I think. There a few others.

Bancroft has three possible feeds, Deal, MacFarland and CHEC.

Seems ward boundaries and school boundaries are not the same for so many schools.

During the last boundar review, Bancroft, Shepherd, and Lafayette were supposed to be routed out of Deal-Wilson, and mayor intervened, b/c she used to represent Ward 4. She’s a lame duck now, and will not be allowed to intervene again per Mendelson.

You are so brazenly full of garbage. How is the mayor a lame duck?

Because she’s in her third term, and highly unlikely to run for a 4th term. That’s the usual definition of a lame duck. Last time she didn’t have a kid in a school that’s under consideration for re-routing. Now she does. She got a lot of flack when she intervened before. The council is on record as saying that they want the process to go forward without a thumb on the scale, and the deputy mayor is heavily involved with the roll-out.

I think it's hilarious that you continue to state anyone is being considered of re-routing. Have you seen any proposals yet or you just assuming? For the millionth time, Coolidge and Roosevelt are more crowded than Jackson Reed. JR is now well under capacity. The only way Lafayette or Shepherd gets re-routed is if there were a new middle school all together.