Anonymous
06/18/2023 10:14
Subject: Re:New educational standards in Georgia and Arkansas - hope you’re paying attention, FCPS
Arkansas is one of the poorest states. It sounds like they do try to improve their education system, but I’m sure they’re working with a small budget and with families who may not be as able to reinforce learning at home due to their own education levels or work schedules.
Anonymous wrote:umm...Arkansas is setting your educational bar now? YIKES
Anonymous
06/18/2023 10:08
Subject: Re:New educational standards in Georgia and Arkansas - hope you’re paying attention, FCPS
Arkansas was one of the first states to ban Lucy Calkins. It sounds like they try!
Anonymous wrote:Are you seriously saying we should model our schools after Arkansas?!
Anonymous
06/18/2023 09:50
Subject: New educational standards in Georgia and Arkansas - hope you’re paying attention, FCPS
Ok. Know I am going to get flamed here but there is one simple reason why public schools across this country are failing including FCPS.
The best and brightest no longer go into teaching. Most of the good teachers left are near or at retirement age. Those few good ones that enter the profession are driven out by the poor and mediocre.
The average SAT score for those pursuing education degrees is 1060. They find out they can’t teach and move into administration and chase one fad after another.
They couldn’t memorize their times tables so that must have been a poor approach. They hated public speaking so we shouldn’t make kids do it. They felt bad because other kids had better grades, so now we have effort and mastery grading or no grades at all.
It is time for the US to adopt Finland’s model before it is to late - https://hechingerreport.org/teacher-voice-in-finland-its-easier-to-become-a-doctor-or-lawyer-than-a-teacher-heres-why/
The best and brightest no longer go into teaching. Most of the good teachers left are near or at retirement age. Those few good ones that enter the profession are driven out by the poor and mediocre.
The average SAT score for those pursuing education degrees is 1060. They find out they can’t teach and move into administration and chase one fad after another.
They couldn’t memorize their times tables so that must have been a poor approach. They hated public speaking so we shouldn’t make kids do it. They felt bad because other kids had better grades, so now we have effort and mastery grading or no grades at all.
It is time for the US to adopt Finland’s model before it is to late - https://hechingerreport.org/teacher-voice-in-finland-its-easier-to-become-a-doctor-or-lawyer-than-a-teacher-heres-why/
Anonymous
06/18/2023 09:11
Subject: New educational standards in Georgia and Arkansas - hope you’re paying attention, FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Having had to memorize a bunch of these old works in school or some part of them, I can attest to it having zero value of actually understanding the contents. It was just a matter of getting the words correct in the correct order. I can also clear remember having to sit through a couple days of 8th graders trying to recite the Constitution’s Preamble. Very few recited with any conviction or oratory prose. Not to mention the rest of the class was bored having to hear it over and over and over while the teacher listenEd to judge for an grade, and the students just listening to see how bad someone would stumble over it. Memorization is not the same as background knowledge.
Further the states in question are not doing this to forward background knowledge. The are playing to a section of people that this will improve Covid education and develop or extend patriotism in America. Neither of which will be possible without true background knowledge and critical analysis of history and progress.
Some of the things I memorized in fifth grade have more meaning to me now than they did then. I am grateful for the teacher who had us memorize these poems. It enriches your life. Too bad you cannot appreciate this.
And, for those who question its value. What about the nominee for federal judge who could not tell the meaning of the amendments? She would have been well served had she memorized them. She did not even know what they stood for.
These are two different things.
Anonymous
06/18/2023 09:05
Subject: New educational standards in Georgia and Arkansas - hope you’re paying attention, FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Memorizing classic words doesn’t mean they understand them. I’d rather my child understand the purpose and meaning without being able to recite word for word.
+1. I can’t believe OP thinks memorizing is something worth praising and recommending.
Memorization is part of learning. It is a simple as that. How did you learn your times tables?
Someone a few posts back pointed out that memorizing math facts isn’t the same as memorizing something like poetry.
Still, memorizing 9x7=63 doesn’t mean you understand what 9x7 means.
And people who are actually good at math don't need to memorize it because they have more reliable methods like 7x(9+1)-7x(1)=70-7=63 or the finger trick.
Mathematicians have far more important facts to remember.
I find it hard to believe someone who cannot memorize times tables will go on to become a mathematician.
Someone who has to explicitly practice memorizing the times tables in order to complete a computation is unlikely to become a mathematician. That's what matters in the context of what the OP is talking about with rote memorization.
Also, see Grothendieck's Prime:
https://hsm.stackexchange.com/questions/6358/story-of-grothendiecks-prime-number
Anonymous
06/18/2023 08:27
Subject: New educational standards in Georgia and Arkansas - hope you’re paying attention, FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Memorizing classic words doesn’t mean they understand them. I’d rather my child understand the purpose and meaning without being able to recite word for word.
+1. I can’t believe OP thinks memorizing is something worth praising and recommending.
Memorization is part of learning. It is a simple as that. How did you learn your times tables?
Someone a few posts back pointed out that memorizing math facts isn’t the same as memorizing something like poetry.
Still, memorizing 9x7=63 doesn’t mean you understand what 9x7 means.
And people who are actually good at math don't need to memorize it because they have more reliable methods like 7x(9+1)-7x(1)=70-7=63 or the finger trick.
Mathematicians have far more important facts to remember.
I find it hard to believe someone who cannot memorize times tables will go on to become a mathematician.
Arithmetic is just one branch of mathematics.
Anonymous
06/18/2023 08:10
Subject: New educational standards in Georgia and Arkansas - hope you’re paying attention, FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Having had to memorize a bunch of these old works in school or some part of them, I can attest to it having zero value of actually understanding the contents. It was just a matter of getting the words correct in the correct order. I can also clear remember having to sit through a couple days of 8th graders trying to recite the Constitution’s Preamble. Very few recited with any conviction or oratory prose. Not to mention the rest of the class was bored having to hear it over and over and over while the teacher listenEd to judge for an grade, and the students just listening to see how bad someone would stumble over it. Memorization is not the same as background knowledge.
Further the states in question are not doing this to forward background knowledge. The are playing to a section of people that this will improve Covid education and develop or extend patriotism in America. Neither of which will be possible without true background knowledge and critical analysis of history and progress.
Some of the things I memorized in fifth grade have more meaning to me now than they did then. I am grateful for the teacher who had us memorize these poems. It enriches your life. Too bad you cannot appreciate this.
And, for those who question its value. What about the nominee for federal judge who could not tell the meaning of the amendments? She would have been well served had she memorized them. She did not even know what they stood for.
Anonymous
06/18/2023 07:54
Subject: New educational standards in Georgia and Arkansas - hope you’re paying attention, FCPS
Having had to memorize a bunch of these old works in school or some part of them, I can attest to it having zero value of actually understanding the contents. It was just a matter of getting the words correct in the correct order. I can also clear remember having to sit through a couple days of 8th graders trying to recite the Constitution’s Preamble. Very few recited with any conviction or oratory prose. Not to mention the rest of the class was bored having to hear it over and over and over while the teacher listenEd to judge for an grade, and the students just listening to see how bad someone would stumble over it. Memorization is not the same as background knowledge.
Further the states in question are not doing this to forward background knowledge. The are playing to a section of people that this will improve Covid education and develop or extend patriotism in America. Neither of which will be possible without true background knowledge and critical analysis of history and progress.
Further the states in question are not doing this to forward background knowledge. The are playing to a section of people that this will improve Covid education and develop or extend patriotism in America. Neither of which will be possible without true background knowledge and critical analysis of history and progress.
Anonymous
06/17/2023 09:29
Subject: New educational standards in Georgia and Arkansas - hope you’re paying attention, FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Memorizing classic words doesn’t mean they understand them. I’d rather my child understand the purpose and meaning without being able to recite word for word.
+1. I can’t believe OP thinks memorizing is something worth praising and recommending.
Memorization is part of learning. It is a simple as that. How did you learn your times tables?
Someone a few posts back pointed out that memorizing math facts isn’t the same as memorizing something like poetry.
Still, memorizing 9x7=63 doesn’t mean you understand what 9x7 means.
And people who are actually good at math don't need to memorize it because they have more reliable methods like 7x(9+1)-7x(1)=70-7=63 or the finger trick.
Mathematicians have far more important facts to remember.
I find it hard to believe someone who cannot memorize times tables will go on to become a mathematician.
If you've met a mathemarician you'll know they aren't particularly skilled at arithmetic, pottery, dressage, or any other skills which are totally irrelevant to actual mathematics.
Anonymous
06/17/2023 08:40
Subject: New educational standards in Georgia and Arkansas - hope you’re paying attention, FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Memorizing classic words doesn’t mean they understand them. I’d rather my child understand the purpose and meaning without being able to recite word for word.
+1. I can’t believe OP thinks memorizing is something worth praising and recommending.
Memorization is part of learning. It is a simple as that. How did you learn your times tables?
Someone a few posts back pointed out that memorizing math facts isn’t the same as memorizing something like poetry.
Still, memorizing 9x7=63 doesn’t mean you understand what 9x7 means.
And people who are actually good at math don't need to memorize it because they have more reliable methods like 7x(9+1)-7x(1)=70-7=63 or the finger trick.
Mathematicians have far more important facts to remember.
I find it hard to believe someone who cannot memorize times tables will go on to become a mathematician.
+1
Anonymous
06/17/2023 08:35
Subject: New educational standards in Georgia and Arkansas - hope you’re paying attention, FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Memorizing classic words doesn’t mean they understand them. I’d rather my child understand the purpose and meaning without being able to recite word for word.
+1. I can’t believe OP thinks memorizing is something worth praising and recommending.
Memorization is part of learning. It is a simple as that. How did you learn your times tables?
Someone a few posts back pointed out that memorizing math facts isn’t the same as memorizing something like poetry.
Still, memorizing 9x7=63 doesn’t mean you understand what 9x7 means.
And people who are actually good at math don't need to memorize it because they have more reliable methods like 7x(9+1)-7x(1)=70-7=63 or the finger trick.
Mathematicians have far more important facts to remember.
I find it hard to believe someone who cannot memorize times tables will go on to become a mathematician.
Anonymous
06/17/2023 06:15
Subject: Re:New educational standards in Georgia and Arkansas - hope you’re paying attention, FCPS
Maybe. Pretty clever.
Anonymous
06/16/2023 23:02
Subject: New educational standards in Georgia and Arkansas - hope you’re paying attention, FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Memorizing classic words doesn’t mean they understand them. I’d rather my child understand the purpose and meaning without being able to recite word for word.
+1. I can’t believe OP thinks memorizing is something worth praising and recommending.
Memorization is part of learning. It is a simple as that. How did you learn your times tables?
Someone a few posts back pointed out that memorizing math facts isn’t the same as memorizing something like poetry.
Still, memorizing 9x7=63 doesn’t mean you understand what 9x7 means.
And people who are actually good at math don't need to memorize it because they have more reliable methods like 7x(9+1)-7x(1)=70-7=63 or the finger trick.
Mathematicians have far more important facts to remember.
Is this sarcasm?
Anonymous
06/16/2023 22:20
Subject: New educational standards in Georgia and Arkansas - hope you’re paying attention, FCPS
Anonymous wrote:I remember being motivated to memorize The Charge of the Light Brigade after watching this:
https://www.facebook.com/Jerniganlanding/videos/1068591639900872/
That's awesome! If Alfalfa can do it, I bet FCPS kids could too.
Anonymous
06/16/2023 21:47
Subject: New educational standards in Georgia and Arkansas - hope you’re paying attention, FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Memorizing classic words doesn’t mean they understand them. I’d rather my child understand the purpose and meaning without being able to recite word for word.
+1. I can’t believe OP thinks memorizing is something worth praising and recommending.
Memorization is part of learning. It is a simple as that. How did you learn your times tables?
Someone a few posts back pointed out that memorizing math facts isn’t the same as memorizing something like poetry.
Still, memorizing 9x7=63 doesn’t mean you understand what 9x7 means.
And people who are actually good at math don't need to memorize it because they have more reliable methods like 7x(9+1)-7x(1)=70-7=63 or the finger trick.
Mathematicians have far more important facts to remember.