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Anonymous wrote:This year an Asian-American boy who was a USAMO camper was rejected by not only MIT but also CMU. Most DCUMs don’t know what USAMO camp is. It’s a pool of 250-300 best math students in the US competing for a spot on the USA Math Olympic Team. There are only 6 students on the national team. Then they compete against other countries in the Intl Math Olympiad. In the past, making USAMO cam was a guaranteed ticket to MIT. Not anymore. Especially if you are an Asian boy.

No student is owed admission to any college, regardless of their accomplishments.

Trying to make sure no student is discriminated.

Literally every student faces discrimination. That’s what making choices means.

Every applicant who is rejected has been discriminated against.

And that’s OK.

There's huge difference between fair competition and discrimination.
Fair competition is great.
Discrimination is evil.

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Anonymous wrote:This year an Asian-American boy who was a USAMO camper was rejected by not only MIT but also CMU. Most DCUMs don’t know what USAMO camp is. It’s a pool of 250-300 best math students in the US competing for a spot on the USA Math Olympic Team. There are only 6 students on the national team. Then they compete against other countries in the Intl Math Olympiad. In the past, making USAMO cam was a guaranteed ticket to MIT. Not anymore. Especially if you are an Asian boy.

No student is owed admission to any college, regardless of their accomplishments.

You are absolutely correct. No student is owed admission to any college, regardless of their skin color.

The corollary is these schools can absolutely and validly decide they want a representative cohort of different races and choose students based on skin color, even if that comes at the expense of a student of a different skin color with a different set or characteristics, including higher test scores. These are private institutions. They can do this. It is still America.

Soon America won't allow any form of discrimination.
They shouldn't and won't be able to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:This year an Asian-American boy who was a USAMO camper was rejected by not only MIT but also CMU. Most DCUMs don’t know what USAMO camp is. It’s a pool of 250-300 best math students in the US competing for a spot on the USA Math Olympic Team. There are only 6 students on the national team. Then they compete against other countries in the Intl Math Olympiad. In the past, making USAMO cam was a guaranteed ticket to MIT. Not anymore. Especially if you are an Asian boy.

No student is owed admission to any college, regardless of their accomplishments.

You are absolutely correct. No student is owed admission to any college, regardless of their skin color.

The corollary is these schools can absolutely and validly decide they want a representative cohort of different races and choose students based on skin color, even if that comes at the expense of a student of a different skin color with a different set or characteristics, including higher test scores. These are private institutions. They can do this. It is still America.

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Anonymous wrote:This year an Asian-American boy who was a USAMO camper was rejected by not only MIT but also CMU. Most DCUMs don’t know what USAMO camp is. It’s a pool of 250-300 best math students in the US competing for a spot on the USA Math Olympic Team. There are only 6 students on the national team. Then they compete against other countries in the Intl Math Olympiad. In the past, making USAMO cam was a guaranteed ticket to MIT. Not anymore. Especially if you are an Asian boy.

No student is owed admission to any college, regardless of their accomplishments.

Trying to make sure no student is discriminated.

Literally every student faces discrimination. That’s what making choices means.

Every applicant who is rejected has been discriminated against.

And that’s OK.

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand all the fuss. This kid is just as likely to reach his full potential at Georgia Tech as he is at MIT.

Of course if you get discriminated and rejected entry to a restaurant, you can simply go to the next one that doesn't discriminate.
Eat there.

However, the US system so messed up.
We better find out any injustice, and fix them to improve.

I don't understand all the fuss. This kid is just as likely to reach his full potential at Georgia Tech as he is at MIT.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether the people suggesting this Asian candidate is a "dime a dozen" can actually point to very many Black or Hispanic students with similar credentials applying to the same schools.

But I can't feel too sorry for this kid because Georgia Tech is a very good school and likely to be more rigorous than one of the Ivies caught up in the diversity Olympics and diluting their reputations.

+1000

Real talent will flow to the research powerhouses like GA tech. Actually Indian Americans have valued these schools for a long time. Im Indian American but went into liberal arts. Doing just fine, but throwing it out there in case people feel a need to stereotype.

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Anonymous wrote:Nice. There are American families living off of money made a hundred+ years ago back when even the most ardent apologists will acknowledge how bad things were. But the fact their children can continue enjoying preferential treatment only elicits a sardonic wink.

This doesn’t describe many. While it’s a common claim among African Americans, it doesn’t hold water. Studies of wealth in America show that most families pass little wealth to the next generation and of those who do it’s typically dissipated in the next generation. Even once-rich families like the Vanderbilts have lost their wealth. Overwhelmingly, today’s billionaires made their wealth through contemporary business pursuits - Gates, Buffet, Musk, Zuckerberg, and Bezos were not born billionaires nor have they benefited from the past slave trade.

Funny how the topic is legacy families getting an admissions boost but then you avoid actually discussing that

It’s nearly impossible to get into UC Berkeley from OOS. Plus, California already has a ban on affirmative action, so he can’t blame the black or Hispanic kids there. He’s simply not good enough.

So yeah, it’s plausible for a kid with his stats to strike out in all of the Ivy+ schools. No surprise.

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Anonymous wrote:Discrimination against Asians is real. It’s not just about getting high SAT scores or GPA. SAT is no joke, despite what people say. Each year only about 300 students out of 2 million nationwide get the perfect 1600.

There are probably 3k Chinese students in Montgomery county with this clowns profile

And hundreds are going to UMD

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Anonymous wrote:In the event the Supreme Court effectively ends race-based affirmative action, I feel like state and federal reparations are in order to the tune of $2.5 million per person, plus $250k to be used for down payments. At that point, the conversation will have to turn to making sure colleges cast a wide net to avoid ending up with test prepped drones.

“Reparations” to whom? Or do you mean damages, which will need to be proven.

I’m the quotes poster. Sorry, I misread. I thought you meant reparations to the students claiming they were discriminated acted against. I get it now.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of those schools could accept more students than they do, and they choose not to do that. They limit the number to maintain fake exclusivity.

I don't think his case will go far, but who knows?

This is not a simple thing to do because of logistics. Most of the elite schools are strapped for space and growing their classes will be a huge undertaking in terms of building dorms and facilities. Yale has grown 15% in the last few year because it was able to build 2 new dorms. Columbia can’t grow without building new dorms in it neighborhood, the same with Berkeley. The neighborhoods of these schools sue to prevent these schools from expanding.

Easier said than done…

Yale has more admins than students.
The administrative bodies at these schools have grown like an out-of-control cancer.

I think I read somewhere that Harvard pays more to the people managing their massive endowment than professors.

Anonymous wrote:In the event the Supreme Court effectively ends race-based affirmative action, I feel like state and federal reparations are in order to the tune of $2.5 million per person, plus $250k to be used for down payments. At that point, the conversation will have to turn to making sure colleges cast a wide net to avoid ending up with test prepped drones.

“Reparations” to whom? Or do you mean damages, which will need to be proven.

In the event the Supreme Court effectively ends race-based affirmative action, I feel like state and federal reparations are in order to the tune of $2.5 million per person, plus $250k to be used for down payments. At that point, the conversation will have to turn to making sure colleges cast a wide net to avoid ending up with test prepped drones.

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Anonymous wrote:Race has been an issue in the US for hundreds of years.

For those of you who moved here for the quality of education, but are now trying to make the US more like the system you left behind....pick your poison.

Discrimination has been an issue in the US for hundreds of years.

If you like discriminating minorities, China is a good pick for you as they discriminate minorities like Uyghurs or Tibetans

Yeah, China discriminated against the Uighurs and Tibetans by allowing these ethnic minorities to have more than 1 child during the 1 child policy years.
There were so many complaints about what was going on in Tibet 15 years ago. How come nobody is complaining about the high speed rail and transportation networks connecting Tibet to most of the country today?
And the Uighur "genocide" curiously has not produced any refugees streaming across the borders into Uzbekistan, Kyrghzstan, or Turkmenistan - despite Turmenistan being the agent behind the terrorist bombings in Xinjiang a few years ago.
But the Uighur argument has lost its luster, now it's about what China's doing to Taiwan. Despite the fact that China hasn't done anything about breakaway Taiwan since WW2.