Anonymous wrote:I’m a nanny and my boss (of 10 years) recently had to go back to in person. I notice a massive difference, now that she is out of the house. First of all, my job is 100000% easier and all the micromanaging and tension is gone with the kids (who by the way, kept asking when their parents would leave).

But, I also noticed that during WFH my boss (VP of a very large company) lost their longtime assistant and manager, who seemed to be doing the bulk of the work (I’m friends with them). They were back 3 days a week already, but she was barely going in 2-3 hours a day, not even all 3 days. Immediately after they quit, she had to go back to the office for full on 10hrs a day, 3-4 days a week, and basically work like a normal person again. Now she only off Friday and does sweet f*ck all on those days.

Previously, she did sweet f*ck all every single day, and no she didn’t work evenings because I am there. All day long she was having people come to the house to do yoga, pilates, she did a complete home renovation and acted as her home contractor because she had so much free time, she basically dumped all her work on her assistant and manager for 3 years and did nothing, then when they left she had to actually show up and work and work. She makes over 2 million a year.

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Anonymous wrote:WFH has nuked productivity at my company, in two specific ways. First, it has multiplied time in meetings by two- or threefold. This means that there is far less time for actual work. We now have many managers who don't do anything other than receive requests are reroute them to others via email, PowerPoint, and Teams. This is literally like the guy in Office Space who takes requirements from customers to engineers because he's a a people person, damnit. Secondly, it has essentially made it impossible to train new people. It turns out that entry level employees need lots of in-person time--instructional and unstructured--to become productive. We've now gotten to the point where the senior leaders who moved away or refuse to come in are on their way out, and we're only hiring new employees locally. WFH, for us, was a failed experiment.

I agree a lot with this response. For instance, right now I need to find out which person does X program. So I'll send out an email, it will bounce around, won't receive a response for a few days (because the amount of emails everyone receives are in the hundreds) and I am delayed. Previously I could just ask around or pop into someone's office briefly. Or previously I likely would have just known who did X project because I spoke to people at lunch or at the coffee station. I'm getting really frustrated every day.

Meetings and emails are just out of control and they haven't given us the collaboration that we used to have.

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I’m suprised some of you all don’t have tools like slack or MS teams or webex. Nobody calls or emails unless it needs to be documented. Slack at my company is how you get immediate responses. Plus for our tools you literally cannot hide. You can see who is logged in and who is idle and who is not even logged in. You can see who is in a meeting and who is not. You absolutely can go on a run, but it needs to be blocked off so people can see when you are idle or logged off that you are not available. I literally have logged today my dog walk (30min) and my trip to the garden center (45min). I’m not blocking off lunch today. As long as it’s transparent then nobody questions it. If your manager sees an idle status with no time block and you don’t do it a few times you might end up on a PIP. Your manager can run metrics in idle status vs personal time blocks.

Anonymous wrote:WFH -> Not really working as you would in an office environment.

Look at Costco: The place is absolutely packed between 11 to 5 after the pandemic. Less people after 6. It is completely reverse of what it used to be before pandemic. Same with many other stores.

2nd Jobs: Many took up 2nd jobs.

Anonymous wrote:WFH -> Not really working as you would in an office environment.

Look at Costco: The place is absolutely packed between 11 to 5 after the pandemic. Less people after 6. It is completely reverse of what it used to be before pandemic. Same with many other stores.

2nd Jobs: Many took up 2nd jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to office today. Been working hard, took a staff I am mentoring out to lunch. Met CEO, CFO and COO for meetings, got a lot of work done now I have a 7-9pm board meeting. I will get10 hours of work in on top of 2 board meeting and one hour lunch

At home you get 30 minutes of work off me in a hoodie barefoot and unshaven

I’m glad though you realize you are not mature enough, nor possess the work ethic to handle hirself in an unstructured work environment. It’s great to be aware of our limitations and deficiencies. I’m working on this with my teens and hope they grow out of it, but as you demonstrate some just don’t and that’s Ok.

Speaking of your teen kids imagine if they attend three High Schools all remote at same time never leaving house. Now imagine schools are in different time zones and different countries now imagine you don’t care about any of it. You keep adding more and more High Schools building a pyramid. Always going to several while always applying more schools while eventually getting tossed out old schools. That is working from home 80 percent of fully remote people. 80 percent of remote people have multiple jobs.

I no longer enter my old home office in basement. The toggling between multiple laptops at multiple companies while always interviewing new companies it becomes depressing and confusing. At my height I was interviewing 7 companies while working full time three companies while I had Covid and on isolation from my family in a basement office/bedroom.

How do people think this is healthy? These remote people are lonely, overworked and isolated. We all need to be back in the office

What on earth? This is not normal at all. I WFH. I have one job. I do my job between the hours of 9 and 5, with some breaks--eating, internet surfing, chores. Then without having to deal with a commute, I get my kid from school down the street, and enjoy the rest of my evening. Anyone who is trying to work 3 full-time jobs at once is no doubt depressed and overworked, because that's insane. And that's their problem, not a WFH problem.

We did RTO my new in person job and one guy admitted was a mortgage broker, insurance salesman, adjunct professor.

Worked the multiple jobs as WFH pays less. I was making $400k a year in person in DC pre pandemic. But laid off start of Covid so had to double up. I even made 800k one year in person.

It is so rampant I quit my fully remote job and gave my LinkedIn Info and a few people I work with connected with wrong linked in. Out contract lawyer accidentally connected with her Head of Legal at a bank in Texas. She has two linked in profiles. Both no picture both two different companies. We fired head of marketing abruptly after six months and I noticed he updated LinkedIn to show no break in service old company.

I am now back full time in person with big office, staff, dealing with regulators, auditors, investors, board back at C level. I no longer have to patch together a few BS jobs.

We all don’t get to pimp out our wives to support our lack of gumption. I have to support my family. No different than back in 1970s men used to bar tend, drive cabs, do odd jobs after work to support family. My Dad was in a union and in a strike once my mom had to go back to work as a waitress a few weeks while dad was looked down upon as a failure

WFH and Remote alters 10,000 years of work dynamics. It is also terrible for children. daddy has no real job he sits in basement all day, mommy has to work cause daddies a loser.

Now let me get back to whipping my staff into shape. No sneaking out the door early today. Also they need to get five days of work done in four days next week. Office work is the Lords work. At home we’ll the devils playground

Not that anyone here really believes you but consider seeking professional help. You need it.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to office today. Been working hard, took a staff I am mentoring out to lunch. Met CEO, CFO and COO for meetings, got a lot of work done now I have a 7-9pm board meeting. I will get10 hours of work in on top of 2 board meeting and one hour lunch

At home you get 30 minutes of work off me in a hoodie barefoot and unshaven

I’m glad though you realize you are not mature enough, nor possess the work ethic to handle hirself in an unstructured work environment. It’s great to be aware of our limitations and deficiencies. I’m working on this with my teens and hope they grow out of it, but as you demonstrate some just don’t and that’s Ok.

Speaking of your teen kids imagine if they attend three High Schools all remote at same time never leaving house. Now imagine schools are in different time zones and different countries now imagine you don’t care about any of it. You keep adding more and more High Schools building a pyramid. Always going to several while always applying more schools while eventually getting tossed out old schools. That is working from home 80 percent of fully remote people. 80 percent of remote people have multiple jobs.

I no longer enter my old home office in basement. The toggling between multiple laptops at multiple companies while always interviewing new companies it becomes depressing and confusing. At my height I was interviewing 7 companies while working full time three companies while I had Covid and on isolation from my family in a basement office/bedroom.

How do people think this is healthy? These remote people are lonely, overworked and isolated. We all need to be back in the office

What on earth? This is not normal at all. I WFH. I have one job. I do my job between the hours of 9 and 5, with some breaks--eating, internet surfing, chores. Then without having to deal with a commute, I get my kid from school down the street, and enjoy the rest of my evening. Anyone who is trying to work 3 full-time jobs at once is no doubt depressed and overworked, because that's insane. And that's their problem, not a WFH problem.

We did RTO my new in person job and one guy admitted was a mortgage broker, insurance salesman, adjunct professor.

Worked the multiple jobs as WFH pays less. I was making $400k a year in person in DC pre pandemic. But laid off start of Covid so had to double up. I even made 800k one year in person.

It is so rampant I quit my fully remote job and gave my LinkedIn Info and a few people I work with connected with wrong linked in. Out contract lawyer accidentally connected with her Head of Legal at a bank in Texas. She has two linked in profiles. Both no picture both two different companies. We fired head of marketing abruptly after six months and I noticed he updated LinkedIn to show no break in service old company.

I am now back full time in person with big office, staff, dealing with regulators, auditors, investors, board back at C level. I no longer have to patch together a few BS jobs.

We all don’t get to pimp out our wives to support our lack of gumption. I have to support my family. No different than back in 1970s men used to bar tend, drive cabs, do odd jobs after work to support family. My Dad was in a union and in a strike once my mom had to go back to work as a waitress a few weeks while dad was looked down upon as a failure

WFH and Remote alters 10,000 years of work dynamics. It is also terrible for children. daddy has no real job he sits in basement all day, mommy has to work cause daddies a loser.

Now let me get back to whipping my staff into shape. No sneaking out the door early today. Also they need to get five days of work done in four days next week. Office work is the Lords work. At home we’ll the devils playground

There is something really wrong with you. I can't tell if you're trolling. Because if you really believe all these things, I don't even know what to say to you. You live in bizzarro world.

The bolded also shows your total ignorance about history. Leaving your home every day to work in an office is a fairly recent phenomenon, even in the industrialized West.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to office today. Been working hard, took a staff I am mentoring out to lunch. Met CEO, CFO and COO for meetings, got a lot of work done now I have a 7-9pm board meeting. I will get10 hours of work in on top of 2 board meeting and one hour lunch

At home you get 30 minutes of work off me in a hoodie barefoot and unshaven

I’m glad though you realize you are not mature enough, nor possess the work ethic to handle hirself in an unstructured work environment. It’s great to be aware of our limitations and deficiencies. I’m working on this with my teens and hope they grow out of it, but as you demonstrate some just don’t and that’s Ok.

Speaking of your teen kids imagine if they attend three High Schools all remote at same time never leaving house. Now imagine schools are in different time zones and different countries now imagine you don’t care about any of it. You keep adding more and more High Schools building a pyramid. Always going to several while always applying more schools while eventually getting tossed out old schools. That is working from home 80 percent of fully remote people. 80 percent of remote people have multiple jobs.

I no longer enter my old home office in basement. The toggling between multiple laptops at multiple companies while always interviewing new companies it becomes depressing and confusing. At my height I was interviewing 7 companies while working full time three companies while I had Covid and on isolation from my family in a basement office/bedroom.

How do people think this is healthy? These remote people are lonely, overworked and isolated. We all need to be back in the office

What on earth? This is not normal at all. I WFH. I have one job. I do my job between the hours of 9 and 5, with some breaks--eating, internet surfing, chores. Then without having to deal with a commute, I get my kid from school down the street, and enjoy the rest of my evening. Anyone who is trying to work 3 full-time jobs at once is no doubt depressed and overworked, because that's insane. And that's their problem, not a WFH problem.

We did RTO my new in person job and one guy admitted was a mortgage broker, insurance salesman, adjunct professor.

Worked the multiple jobs as WFH pays less. I was making $400k a year in person in DC pre pandemic. But laid off start of Covid so had to double up. I even made 800k one year in person.

It is so rampant I quit my fully remote job and gave my LinkedIn Info and a few people I work with connected with wrong linked in. Out contract lawyer accidentally connected with her Head of Legal at a bank in Texas. She has two linked in profiles. Both no picture both two different companies. We fired head of marketing abruptly after six months and I noticed he updated LinkedIn to show no break in service old company.

I am now back full time in person with big office, staff, dealing with regulators, auditors, investors, board back at C level. I no longer have to patch together a few BS jobs.

We all don’t get to pimp out our wives to support our lack of gumption. I have to support my family. No different than back in 1970s men used to bar tend, drive cabs, do odd jobs after work to support family. My Dad was in a union and in a strike once my mom had to go back to work as a waitress a few weeks while dad was looked down upon as a failure

WFH and Remote alters 10,000 years of work dynamics. It is also terrible for children. daddy has no real job he sits in basement all day, mommy has to work cause daddies a loser.

Now let me get back to whipping my staff into shape. No sneaking out the door early today. Also they need to get five days of work done in four days next week. Office work is the Lords work. At home we’ll the devils playground

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Anonymous wrote:I went to office today. Been working hard, took a staff I am mentoring out to lunch. Met CEO, CFO and COO for meetings, got a lot of work done now I have a 7-9pm board meeting. I will get10 hours of work in on top of 2 board meeting and one hour lunch

At home you get 30 minutes of work off me in a hoodie barefoot and unshaven

I’m glad though you realize you are not mature enough, nor possess the work ethic to handle hirself in an unstructured work environment. It’s great to be aware of our limitations and deficiencies. I’m working on this with my teens and hope they grow out of it, but as you demonstrate some just don’t and that’s Ok.

Speaking of your teen kids imagine if they attend three High Schools all remote at same time never leaving house. Now imagine schools are in different time zones and different countries now imagine you don’t care about any of it. You keep adding more and more High Schools building a pyramid. Always going to several while always applying more schools while eventually getting tossed out old schools. That is working from home 80 percent of fully remote people. 80 percent of remote people have multiple jobs.

I no longer enter my old home office in basement. The toggling between multiple laptops at multiple companies while always interviewing new companies it becomes depressing and confusing. At my height I was interviewing 7 companies while working full time three companies while I had Covid and on isolation from my family in a basement office/bedroom.

How do people think this is healthy? These remote people are lonely, overworked and isolated. We all need to be back in the office

What on earth? This is not normal at all. I WFH. I have one job. I do my job between the hours of 9 and 5, with some breaks--eating, internet surfing, chores. Then without having to deal with a commute, I get my kid from school down the street, and enjoy the rest of my evening. Anyone who is trying to work 3 full-time jobs at once is no doubt depressed and overworked, because that's insane. And that's their problem, not a WFH problem.

We did RTO my new in person job and one guy admitted was a mortgage broker, insurance salesman, adjunct professor.

Worked the multiple jobs as WFH pays less. I was making $400k a year in person in DC pre pandemic. But laid off start of Covid so had to double up. I even made 800k one year in person.

It is so rampant I quit my fully remote job and gave my LinkedIn Info and a few people I work with connected with wrong linked in. Out contract lawyer accidentally connected with her Head of Legal at a bank in Texas. She has two linked in profiles. Both no picture both two different companies. We fired head of marketing abruptly after six months and I noticed he updated LinkedIn to show no break in service old company.

I am now back full time in person with big office, staff, dealing with regulators, auditors, investors, board back at C level. I no longer have to patch together a few BS jobs.

We all don’t get to pimp out our wives to support our lack of gumption. I have to support my family. No different than back in 1970s men used to bar tend, drive cabs, do odd jobs after work to support family. My Dad was in a union and in a strike once my mom had to go back to work as a waitress a few weeks while dad was looked down upon as a failure

WFH and Remote alters 10,000 years of work dynamics. It is also terrible for children. daddy has no real job he sits in basement all day, mommy has to work cause daddies a loser.

Now let me get back to whipping my staff into shape. No sneaking out the door early today. Also they need to get five days of work done in four days next week. Office work is the Lords work. At home we’ll the devils playground

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Anonymous wrote:I went to office today. Been working hard, took a staff I am mentoring out to lunch. Met CEO, CFO and COO for meetings, got a lot of work done now I have a 7-9pm board meeting. I will get10 hours of work in on top of 2 board meeting and one hour lunch

At home you get 30 minutes of work off me in a hoodie barefoot and unshaven

I’m glad though you realize you are not mature enough, nor possess the work ethic to handle hirself in an unstructured work environment. It’s great to be aware of our limitations and deficiencies. I’m working on this with my teens and hope they grow out of it, but as you demonstrate some just don’t and that’s Ok.

Speaking of your teen kids imagine if they attend three High Schools all remote at same time never leaving house. Now imagine schools are in different time zones and different countries now imagine you don’t care about any of it. You keep adding more and more High Schools building a pyramid. Always going to several while always applying more schools while eventually getting tossed out old schools. That is working from home 80 percent of fully remote people. 80 percent of remote people have multiple jobs.

I no longer enter my old home office in basement. The toggling between multiple laptops at multiple companies while always interviewing new companies it becomes depressing and confusing. At my height I was interviewing 7 companies while working full time three companies while I had Covid and on isolation from my family in a basement office/bedroom.

How do people think this is healthy? These remote people are lonely, overworked and isolated. We all need to be back in the office

What on earth? This is not normal at all. I WFH. I have one job. I do my job between the hours of 9 and 5, with some breaks--eating, internet surfing, chores. Then without having to deal with a commute, I get my kid from school down the street, and enjoy the rest of my evening. Anyone who is trying to work 3 full-time jobs at once is no doubt depressed and overworked, because that's insane. And that's their problem, not a WFH problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to office today. Been working hard, took a staff I am mentoring out to lunch. Met CEO, CFO and COO for meetings, got a lot of work done now I have a 7-9pm board meeting. I will get10 hours of work in on top of 2 board meeting and one hour lunch

At home you get 30 minutes of work off me in a hoodie barefoot and unshaven

I’m glad though you realize you are not mature enough, nor possess the work ethic to handle hirself in an unstructured work environment. It’s great to be aware of our limitations and deficiencies. I’m working on this with my teens and hope they grow out of it, but as you demonstrate some just don’t and that’s Ok.

Speaking of your teen kids imagine if they attend three High Schools all remote at same time never leaving house. Now imagine schools are in different time zones and different countries now imagine you don’t care about any of it. You keep adding more and more High Schools building a pyramid. Always going to several while always applying more schools while eventually getting tossed out old schools. That is working from home 80 percent of fully remote people. 80 percent of remote people have multiple jobs.

I no longer enter my old home office in basement. The toggling between multiple laptops at multiple companies while always interviewing new companies it becomes depressing and confusing. At my height I was interviewing 7 companies while working full time three companies while I had Covid and on isolation from my family in a basement office/bedroom.

How do people think this is healthy? These remote people are lonely, overworked and isolated. We all need to be back in the office

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Anonymous wrote:I went to office today. Been working hard, took a staff I am mentoring out to lunch. Met CEO, CFO and COO for meetings, got a lot of work done now I have a 7-9pm board meeting. I will get10 hours of work in on top of 2 board meeting and one hour lunch

At home you get 30 minutes of work off me in a hoodie barefoot and unshaven

I’m glad though you realize you are not mature enough, nor possess the work ethic to handle hirself in an unstructured work environment. It’s great to be aware of our limitations and deficiencies. I’m working on this with my teens and hope they grow out of it, but as you demonstrate some just don’t and that’s Ok.

Speaking of your teen kids imagine if they attend three High Schools all remote at same time never leaving house. Now imagine schools are in different time zones and different countries now imagine you don’t care about any of it. You keep adding more and more High Schools building a pyramid. Always going to several while always applying more schools while eventually getting tossed out old schools. That is working from home 80 percent of fully remote people. 80 percent of remote people have multiple jobs.

I no longer enter my old home office in basement. The toggling between multiple laptops at multiple companies while always interviewing new companies it becomes depressing and confusing. At my height I was interviewing 7 companies while working full time three companies while I had Covid and on isolation from my family in a basement office/bedroom.

How do people think this is healthy? These remote people are lonely, overworked and isolated. We all need to be back in the office