Anonymous
04/17/2023 09:04
Subject: Re:It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think OPs post is genuine based on what I’ve seen from my own child and his friend’s experiences with college admissions from FCPS. OP, what are your child’s ECs? Did he take the SAT or ACT? What major did he apply to? Excellent essays? Any discipline issues?
My son was more qualified than OP kid and was waitlisted at UVa and Tech. The admissions people don't care about quality, they care about quotas.
Anonymous
04/17/2023 08:59
Subject: It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.
They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!
You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.
No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"
Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022
The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine
VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...
So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.
I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.
Same.
New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/
There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/
URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).
These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.
the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.
Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.
I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.
Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.
You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.
And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.
The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?
Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it
Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?
You would have ask Virginia Tech. They are very big on getting in more URMs and first generation, military, the poor, etc, Since the headmaster has been pushing this publicly since 2016, I would guess they track everything very closely and admit only the ones that fit their boxes
Seriously? There is no tracking or accountability. You think if someone checks off mixed race or African American they verify it. Absurd. It’s self identified only and we know what that means.
Yeah we know. It’s such an advantage that [b]tech has something like 8% black enrollment. Wow so many people must be checking the box. Before you throw out ridiculous accusations just check to see if the facts even begin to support it.
Is only relevant in comparison to the # of qualified Black applicants.
No. If you’re claiming that students who aren’t black are checking the box because it gives them an advantage then it has no relevance.
No, I’m claiming that it’s not relevant to cite the % of Black students at VT in isolation. If only a very tiny # of Black students applied to VT, then that 8% is not out-of-line & doesn’t suggest it is easier or harder for a Black student to get into VT than a student of another race.
Are you purposefully ignoring facts? It’s not just VT. It’s not just black. It’s Hispanic. It’s mixed race. It’s Pacific Islanders. It’s a fact it’s all based on self reporting and if it meant nothing - then, exactly as the Plaintiff said at the Supreme Court- why are they fighting against it so much? And quotes from the justices:
Justice Samuel Alito likened affirmative action to a race in which a minority applicant gets to “start five yards closer to the finish line”.
Brett Kavanaugh: “these racial classifications are potentially dangerous and must have a logical end point”
Alito again: “ If you give a ‘plus’ to a person who falls within the category of under-represented minority, but not to somebody else, you’re disadvantaging the latter student.”
As a white Virginian, I have no problem with this, considering the history of how black Virginians have been treated. You don't even need to go back that far in time - go read some old Virginia newspapers from the 1950's, 60's, 70's. See how the society pages are all about white people and the crime page is all about black people (identified as "John Smith, Negro, was found with an unopened bottle of whiskey....") I've been doing historical research recently which requires reading old newspapers and the blatant racism so recent to the present day is shocking.
Pretending that a group of people don't need a little extra help to succeed after having been enslaved and then treated like third-class citizens for 100 years is wrong.
You are saying that racism today is ok because of racism in the past. That is a terrible argument and will make things a lot worse. Everyone will assume a minority student walking around campus is a quota admit.
You’d be hard pressed to find a minority student walking around campus based on their demographic numbers. But i think you’d probably prefer that.
Anonymous
04/17/2023 08:56
Subject: It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA
Anonymous wrote:I am sorry to hear this happened at UVA. They had been pretty straightforward with their admissions based on GPA unlike VT which yield protects and wants 40% URM AND FG. I strongly believe state schools shouldn’t be yield protecting. Private schools cost so much and our VA schools are good - top students want to attend them.
I wish Youngkin would look into the games UVA and VT are playing instead of continually investigating made up issues in FCPS.
Our DC saw a clear shift in what had been done at UVA in prior years - not accepted with high stats despite all indications from history (both post COVID and pre COVID) at their highschool that UVA was a very very solid choice for DC. Of course, nothing is guaranteed, but everyone had been accepted in the past with their stats....with much cushion of stats below. I do not think it is yield protection (as DC did not get into other schools at top of their list...which they had stats for but are lottery schools). I think, as others have noted, that there's a shift in priorities (I support those).
Anonymous
04/17/2023 08:53
Subject: Re:It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree or OP is a troll.
I disagree - our DC is also in this boat.
My son was the same. Just got into.VT engineering via VCCS. It removes the admission office social justice warriors from the equation.
Anonymous
04/17/2023 08:51
Subject: It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.
They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!
You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.
No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"
Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022
The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine
VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...
So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.
I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.
Same.
New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/
There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/
URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).
These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.
the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.
Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.
I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.
Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.
You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.
And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.
The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?
Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it
Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?
You would have ask Virginia Tech. They are very big on getting in more URMs and first generation, military, the poor, etc, Since the headmaster has been pushing this publicly since 2016, I would guess they track everything very closely and admit only the ones that fit their boxes
Seriously? There is no tracking or accountability. You think if someone checks off mixed race or African American they verify it. Absurd. It’s self identified only and we know what that means.
Yeah we know. It’s such an advantage that [b]tech has something like 8% black enrollment. Wow so many people must be checking the box. Before you throw out ridiculous accusations just check to see if the facts even begin to support it.
Is only relevant in comparison to the # of qualified Black applicants.
No. If you’re claiming that students who aren’t black are checking the box because it gives them an advantage then it has no relevance.
No, I’m claiming that it’s not relevant to cite the % of Black students at VT in isolation. If only a very tiny # of Black students applied to VT, then that 8% is not out-of-line & doesn’t suggest it is easier or harder for a Black student to get into VT than a student of another race.
Are you purposefully ignoring facts? It’s not just VT. It’s not just black. It’s Hispanic. It’s mixed race. It’s Pacific Islanders. It’s a fact it’s all based on self reporting and if it meant nothing - then, exactly as the Plaintiff said at the Supreme Court- why are they fighting against it so much? And quotes from the justices:
Justice Samuel Alito likened affirmative action to a race in which a minority applicant gets to “start five yards closer to the finish line”.
Brett Kavanaugh: “these racial classifications are potentially dangerous and must have a logical end point”
Alito again: “ If you give a ‘plus’ to a person who falls within the category of under-represented minority, but not to somebody else, you’re disadvantaging the latter student.”
As a white Virginian, I have no problem with this, considering the history of how black Virginians have been treated. You don't even need to go back that far in time - go read some old Virginia newspapers from the 1950's, 60's, 70's. See how the society pages are all about white people and the crime page is all about black people (identified as "John Smith, Negro, was found with an unopened bottle of whiskey....") I've been doing historical research recently which requires reading old newspapers and the blatant racism so recent to the present day is shocking.
Pretending that a group of people don't need a little extra help to succeed after having been enslaved and then treated like third-class citizens for 100 years is wrong.
You are saying that racism today is ok because of racism in the past. That is a terrible argument and will make things a lot worse. Everyone will assume a minority student walking around campus is a quota admit.
Anonymous
04/17/2023 08:48
Subject: Re:It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA
Anonymous wrote:I agree or OP is a troll.
I disagree - our DC is also in this boat.
Anonymous
04/17/2023 08:46
Subject: Re:It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA
Anonymous wrote:^ I think what PP is getting at is that you have repeated "all 5s on his APs", but have avoided saying how many APs. Since there is not much of a delta between his weighted and unweighted GPAs, it looks like he took 2-3 at most. Why not just say how many? Your kid is in, and that's great. The wording seems deliberately chosen to imply a high number, but the stats don't support that. I think PP is suggesting that Dean J is constantly claiming breadth of rigor is important and that admitted students take the most rigorous classes across the board, and in this case that may not be true. FWIW, I know several kids who got into UVA this year and definitely did not have the most rigorous schedules or the highest GPAs, so I have already concluded that there are obvious exceptions to claims made by UVA admissions.
I'm the PP with the son in at UVA. I didn't check this post all weekend - wow. As for my son, he has taken 6 APs already - AP Euro, APUSH, Calc BC, Latin, AP English Language, and AP English Literature. He's taking 4 more his senior year as well as DE Multivariable Calculus. So he has the rigor. As for the 4.2 - his school doesn't have honors so there is not additional weighting other than AP classes.
Anonymous
04/17/2023 08:45
Subject: It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA
The Admissions people care about quotas, not quality.
Anonymous
04/17/2023 08:43
Subject: It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA
My son had similar GPA and was in the top 10% of his HS class and was waitlisted last year to UVa and VT. He ended up going to VCCS and doing GAA. Guaranteed Admission Agreement takes the hopelessly broken admissions office out of the loop. My son was able to meet all the requirements in 1 year. He was just accepted to VT for Engineering.
Anonymous
04/17/2023 08:27
Subject: It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA
Most UVA admits from my kid’s lower ranked FCPS (50+% Latino) are white (some live in $1.5 million homes, others in 600K homes, not poor by any means). This high school is “poopooed” a lot in this forum, yet these kids did well on AP exams in what some would call hardship conditions. I have no pity for “donut hole” families complaining about their kid not getting into UVA after they have sacrificed so much for their child to attend MHS or LHS. They often made those sacrifices so their kids would not have to go to school with the “riff-raff”.
Anonymous
04/17/2023 06:37
Subject: It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA
Anonymous wrote:And Virginia Tech was 40.4% URM and underserved students last year.
Those are mostly white and Asian kids.
Anonymous
04/17/2023 00:08
Subject: It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA
UVA boosters busy at work strikes again
Anonymous
04/16/2023 20:17
Subject: It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA
And Virginia Tech was 40.4% URM and underserved students last year.
Anonymous
04/16/2023 19:41
Subject: It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not “news” and isn’t a troll. It’s ok for a parent to enter an anonymous forum to express frustration. I do want to know if this is a white male. I worry about increasing racism as a result of this shift in the game. You assume you are too ranked based on measurements that, some argue, put some at a disadvantage. Schools try to create a student population that more adequately represents the world on a global scale, not just a historically white male dominated educational institution.
They said the majority admitted identified as more than one race when we attended the info session. It's pretty disheartening for Caucasian kids to basically be told 'need not apply' at every.single.info session-college tour. And every college flier we receive makes it look like all of these schools are 95% URM with the students they put on the cover. I mean if someone was up there in a room full of URMs saying 'the majority of our incoming are white (with a huge smile-isn't that great!!) there would be outrage and lawsuits...oh wait...dope!
You sound ridiculous. UVA is 56% white.
No, class of 2026 is only 47.2% white. Class of 2027, when settled, will be even lower"
Tpie chart shows that 47.3 percent of incoming students are White; 20.0 percent Asian-American; 8.1 percent Black; 7.6 percent Hispanic; 5.4 percent multi-race; 5.4 percent nonresident alient; and 5.9 percent unknown or other, which includes 0.1 percent American Indian or Alaskan Native and 0.1 percent Native ...Oct 21, 2022
And VT is 40.4% URM and underserved students. https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2022/09/admissions-fall-census-2022.html
The class of 2026, by the numbers - VIRGINIA Magazine
VIRGINIA Magazine
https://uvamagazine.org › articles › the_class_of_2026_b...
So in a state that is 20% African American, UVA is 8% black but the problem here is white enrollment. Ok.
I can barely visit DCUM anymore. The racism in almost every single thread is getting insane.
Same.
New poster: it’s not racism to state facts. There are Sup Ct cases on this topic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/10/10/supreme-court-race-unc-admission/
There are stats on this topic: https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their/amp/
URMs (among others) do get a thumb on the scale when evaluating their applications. Yes, they have to be qualified but an URM, 1st Gen, applicant from a rural area, etc DO get a leg up if they have the stats. Meanwhile, Asians rank lower in personality traits because they are Asian (a point in the Harvard case admitted by Harvard during oral arguments).
These are facts. It is easier for some to get in to schools, TJ, college certain programs, etc., if you have a hook, and a hook can absolutely be your race. Race can also be an anchor for some.
the scapegoating of blacks and Hispanics who make up a small percentage of admits and students at both schools is racist. There are a host of factors underpinning your FCPS snowflake’s rejection and to single that one out smacks of racism.
Wrong. It’s the process getting blamed.
I don’t know what thread you’re reading. How many diversity comments are on this thread alone? You won’t be happy til the “process” reduces the already low numbers to zero. That’s how you will decide whether the process is fair.
Incorrect. You think it’s about reducing the admitted kids from only certain groups. I’m looking at making it race blind. You can’t have it both ways.
You can’t say: Jim is an URM but had great stats and is as qualified as anyone else to be admitted and if you think he was admitted bc he’s an URM, you’re racist. If you think he shouldn’t be considered bc he’s an URM, you’re racist.
And then equally not be able to say: Jim is an URM. He’s qualified to be admitted. He was admitted or denied notwithstanding his race bc it was a race blind process.
The current process results in a class at Tech that is not even 15% URM. At what point will you believe that it’s race blind?
Tech is 40.4% URM and underserved students. It’s been a big goal of principal Sands to hit 40% URM and first-generation, which he did two years ago. Google it
Actually, isn’t it more accurate to say it’s 40.4% of setudent who self identify as URM and underserved students?
You would have ask Virginia Tech. They are very big on getting in more URMs and first generation, military, the poor, etc, Since the headmaster has been pushing this publicly since 2016, I would guess they track everything very closely and admit only the ones that fit their boxes
Seriously? There is no tracking or accountability. You think if someone checks off mixed race or African American they verify it. Absurd. It’s self identified only and we know what that means.
Yeah we know. It’s such an advantage that [b]tech has something like 8% black enrollment. Wow so many people must be checking the box. Before you throw out ridiculous accusations just check to see if the facts even begin to support it.
Is only relevant in comparison to the # of qualified Black applicants.
AA Dad here.
Both of our sons got rejected from both UVA and VT ( class of 2022 and class of 2025)
DS1 stats: SAT 1510, GPA 4.2 with 6 APs (mix of 4's and 5's)
DS2 stats: SAT 1530, GPA 4.4 with 8 APs ( one 3 and the rest all 5's)
EC: Not great for both. Mostly playing multiple sports but not recruited athletes.
Based on our experience none of these state schools thought AA sons were NOT qualified.
Last time I checked VT is currently 4.9% black and UVA is 5.2% black. Is it possible that most of the admitted AA are athletes?
https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/virginia-polytechnic-institute-and-state-university/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html
https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/chart-undergraduate-racial-ethnic-diversity.html
No! No! No! This doesn't fit into the racists' narrative they love to float on DCUM. What excuse will they give their precious rejected white males when the S.CT guts affirmative action? Maybe the jews will be up next!
There is no way the above AA dad story is true. No way.
For starters, UVA was over 7% black in 2022. https://diversitydata.virginia.edu/Home/Details/Undergraduate%20Students
Anonymous
04/16/2023 19:39
Subject: Re:It is so hard this year, McLean HS boy 4.6 GPA got rejected from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In the U.S. race & SES are intertwined. Colleges can achieve the same goals as they currently try to reach by using affirmative action if they instead look at geographic diversity, zip code, parental occupations, title 1 high school or not etc. No big deal for them.
Eh https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/09/04/affirmative-action-should-be-based-on-class-not-race
Really?
Nothing in that link contradicts what I said. Most low-income kids in the U.S. are Black or Latino.
Incorrect. " From wikipedia. "The US Census declared that in 2014 14.8% of the general population lived in poverty:[87]
As of 2010 about half of those living in poverty are non-Hispanic white (19.6 million).[87] Non-Hispanic white children comprised 57% of all poor rural children.[88]"