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Anonymous wrote:SO all those with supposedly unhooked DC with 1500 should tell us what the secret ingredient was...
Or...perhaps just a bit of luck, because that poster who keeps claiming that applying to more of the top 20/30 schools doesn't statistically increase acceptance rates is probably just a Big 3 college counselor who doesn't know statistics. With acceptance rates in the single digits and many many qualified applicants (remember niece also had exceptional extracurriculars which didn't get discussed!), it's in good part luck of the draw, like in a lottery. And could it be that many of those lower tier colleges might not have accepted niece because they thought she'd place better and they were concerned about yield? Should this girl really have applied ED to BC or her parental legacy to have a shot at a decent outcome? If that is what one has to do after paying 200k+ for a Big 3, won't many people opt out of the private schools?

The point of attending a big 3 is college preparation & socialization. We were under no delusions that paying X amount of money for high school would buy our child a spot at a certain university.

What “socialization” benefit do you believe you derived?

Are you this dense in real life too?

Are you? You come across as a social climber or an elitist without adding context that would show otherwise (such as small class environment)

Yeah…they don’t mean small class environment. They mean creating a personal network that hopefully pays off in life…either rich kids more easily finding each other or just UMC or financial aid kids benefiting from friendships with rich kids to pay off.

Those are perfectly rational reasons even though they don’t sound so nice.

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Anonymous wrote:SO all those with supposedly unhooked DC with 1500 should tell us what the secret ingredient was...
Or...perhaps just a bit of luck, because that poster who keeps claiming that applying to more of the top 20/30 schools doesn't statistically increase acceptance rates is probably just a Big 3 college counselor who doesn't know statistics. With acceptance rates in the single digits and many many qualified applicants (remember niece also had exceptional extracurriculars which didn't get discussed!), it's in good part luck of the draw, like in a lottery. And could it be that many of those lower tier colleges might not have accepted niece because they thought she'd place better and they were concerned about yield? Should this girl really have applied ED to BC or her parental legacy to have a shot at a decent outcome? If that is what one has to do after paying 200k+ for a Big 3, won't many people opt out of the private schools?

The point of attending a big 3 is college preparation & socialization. We were under no delusions that paying X amount of money for high school would buy our child a spot at a certain university.

What “socialization” benefit do you believe you derived?

Are you this dense in real life too?

Are you? You come across as a social climber or an elitist without adding context that would show otherwise (such as small class environment)

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Anonymous wrote:Should have applied to one of those reaches ED (Barnard, Davidson, Wash U) instead of to HYP SCEA or Brown ED. The UC schools aren't taking hardly any out of state students any more - someone should've told her that.

Top 20%/1500 isn't all that great, sorry.

Only in your mind is this not great.

I know what I'm talking about. Our unhooked DD had a 3.9+/1570 at a Big 3 school and was told that HYP was unlikely so the better play was to apply ED to another top school because RD is a crapshoot.

I'm not saying the kid isn't great, but the stats aren't.

Those stats are absolutely fine for HYP…but the CCO knew there were 10 double legacy kids to those schools and athletes, etc applying and those schools are only taking X kids from the school…because that is all they take year in and year out

Yes you just hit the nail on the head. Students are competing with their classmates. Need to be savvy about not applying where others have hooks better than yours. Student in my kid’s class is a triple legacy at Stanford and also really bright in their own right so that school is completely off the table for my high stats kid.

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Anonymous wrote:SO all those with supposedly unhooked DC with 1500 should tell us what the secret ingredient was...
Or...perhaps just a bit of luck, because that poster who keeps claiming that applying to more of the top 20/30 schools doesn't statistically increase acceptance rates is probably just a Big 3 college counselor who doesn't know statistics. With acceptance rates in the single digits and many many qualified applicants (remember niece also had exceptional extracurriculars which didn't get discussed!), it's in good part luck of the draw, like in a lottery. And could it be that many of those lower tier colleges might not have accepted niece because they thought she'd place better and they were concerned about yield? Should this girl really have applied ED to BC or her parental legacy to have a shot at a decent outcome? If that is what one has to do after paying 200k+ for a Big 3, won't many people opt out of the private schools?

The point of attending a big 3 is college preparation & socialization. We were under no delusions that paying X amount of money for high school would buy our child a spot at a certain university.

What “socialization” benefit do you believe you derived?

Lol - I second this question (parent of Big 3 HS senior ).

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Anonymous wrote:SO all those with supposedly unhooked DC with 1500 should tell us what the secret ingredient was...
Or...perhaps just a bit of luck, because that poster who keeps claiming that applying to more of the top 20/30 schools doesn't statistically increase acceptance rates is probably just a Big 3 college counselor who doesn't know statistics. With acceptance rates in the single digits and many many qualified applicants (remember niece also had exceptional extracurriculars which didn't get discussed!), it's in good part luck of the draw, like in a lottery. And could it be that many of those lower tier colleges might not have accepted niece because they thought she'd place better and they were concerned about yield? Should this girl really have applied ED to BC or her parental legacy to have a shot at a decent outcome? If that is what one has to do after paying 200k+ for a Big 3, won't many people opt out of the private schools?

The point of attending a big 3 is college preparation & socialization. We were under no delusions that paying X amount of money for high school would buy our child a spot at a certain university.

What “socialization” benefit do you believe you derived?

Are you this dense in real life too?

Can you provide some specifics?

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Anonymous wrote:Should have applied to one of those reaches ED (Barnard, Davidson, Wash U) instead of to HYP SCEA or Brown ED. The UC schools aren't taking hardly any out of state students any more - someone should've told her that.

Top 20%/1500 isn't all that great, sorry.

Only in your mind is this not great.

I know what I'm talking about. Our unhooked DD had a 3.9+/1570 at a Big 3 school and was told that HYP was unlikely so the better play was to apply ED to another top school because RD is a crapshoot.

I'm not saying the kid isn't great, but the stats aren't.

Those stats are absolutely fine for HYP…but the CCO knew there were 10 double legacy kids to those schools and athletes, etc applying and those schools are only taking X kids from the school…because that is all they take year in and year out

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Anonymous wrote:SO all those with supposedly unhooked DC with 1500 should tell us what the secret ingredient was...
Or...perhaps just a bit of luck, because that poster who keeps claiming that applying to more of the top 20/30 schools doesn't statistically increase acceptance rates is probably just a Big 3 college counselor who doesn't know statistics. With acceptance rates in the single digits and many many qualified applicants (remember niece also had exceptional extracurriculars which didn't get discussed!), it's in good part luck of the draw, like in a lottery. And could it be that many of those lower tier colleges might not have accepted niece because they thought she'd place better and they were concerned about yield? Should this girl really have applied ED to BC or her parental legacy to have a shot at a decent outcome? If that is what one has to do after paying 200k+ for a Big 3, won't many people opt out of the private schools?

The point of attending a big 3 is college preparation & socialization. We were under no delusions that paying X amount of money for high school would buy our child a spot at a certain university.

What “socialization” benefit do you believe you derived?

Are you this dense in real life too?

Anonymous wrote:SO all those with supposedly unhooked DC with 1500 should tell us what the secret ingredient was...
Or...perhaps just a bit of luck, because that poster who keeps claiming that applying to more of the top 20/30 schools doesn't statistically increase acceptance rates is probably just a Big 3 college counselor who doesn't know statistics. With acceptance rates in the single digits and many many qualified applicants (remember niece also had exceptional extracurriculars which didn't get discussed!), it's in good part luck of the draw, like in a lottery. And could it be that many of those lower tier colleges might not have accepted niece because they thought she'd place better and they were concerned about yield? Should this girl really have applied ED to BC or her parental legacy to have a shot at a decent outcome? If that is what one has to do after paying 200k+ for a Big 3, won't many people opt out of the private schools?

I am the poster who mentioned college office said 10-12 was target but no hard limit. I assure you I am not a college counselor but I am relaying what the office told my kid. The explanation was the quality of the application: basically most kids find they don’t have time to write 12+ excellent college apps with all the supplemental materials required (on top of rigorous classes and the activities of senior year) nor can kids write a decent “why X university” essay once they get past top 12. The writing is bland because they have 12 other schools they prefer. With that they showed us a slide that had acceptances by number of applications. basically, kids applying to 10-12 usually had 5-6 acceptances (I think, I may be off slightly) and kids applying to 20 also had the same number of acceptances generally. There could be nuance to that for sure, but my kid followed the advice (and we didn’t hire an outside counselor) and kid got into top choice school.

Hooks, no hooks, ECs...all garbage

I encourage everyone to visit YouTube and watch the interesting genre of videos where students petition to see their admissions records and comments from AOs. Only to find they got in for reasons completely counter to whatever they and their parents thought was the "thing". Many so-called excellent students find out that admissions people thought they are just "meh" and one or two voted against them. It's eye-opening.

Anonymous wrote:SO all those with supposedly unhooked DC with 1500 should tell us what the secret ingredient was...
Or...perhaps just a bit of luck, because that poster who keeps claiming that applying to more of the top 20/30 schools doesn't statistically increase acceptance rates is probably just a Big 3 college counselor who doesn't know statistics. With acceptance rates in the single digits and many many qualified applicants (remember niece also had exceptional extracurriculars which didn't get discussed!), it's in good part luck of the draw, like in a lottery. And could it be that many of those lower tier colleges might not have accepted niece because they thought she'd place better and they were concerned about yield? Should this girl really have applied ED to BC or her parental legacy to have a shot at a decent outcome? If that is what one has to do after paying 200k+ for a Big 3, won't many people opt out of the private schools?

The answer, as already illustrated on this thread, is yes, smart unhooked girls will be more likely to go public. But there are so many people eager to pay 200k+ just to show they can, and rationalize it however they like, that it won’t matter to the schools. The schools exist to serve a core group of VIPs and the ultra rich. The rest of the class ebbs and flows with the times (athletes, brainiacs, URMs, celebrity kids—whatever’s in fashion).

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Anonymous wrote:SO all those with supposedly unhooked DC with 1500 should tell us what the secret ingredient was...
Or...perhaps just a bit of luck, because that poster who keeps claiming that applying to more of the top 20/30 schools doesn't statistically increase acceptance rates is probably just a Big 3 college counselor who doesn't know statistics. With acceptance rates in the single digits and many many qualified applicants (remember niece also had exceptional extracurriculars which didn't get discussed!), it's in good part luck of the draw, like in a lottery. And could it be that many of those lower tier colleges might not have accepted niece because they thought she'd place better and they were concerned about yield? Should this girl really have applied ED to BC or her parental legacy to have a shot at a decent outcome? If that is what one has to do after paying 200k+ for a Big 3, won't many people opt out of the private schools?

The point of attending a big 3 is college preparation & socialization. We were under no delusions that paying X amount of money for high school would buy our child a spot at a certain university.

What “socialization” benefit do you believe you derived?

Anonymous wrote:SO all those with supposedly unhooked DC with 1500 should tell us what the secret ingredient was...
Or...perhaps just a bit of luck, because that poster who keeps claiming that applying to more of the top 20/30 schools doesn't statistically increase acceptance rates is probably just a Big 3 college counselor who doesn't know statistics. With acceptance rates in the single digits and many many qualified applicants (remember niece also had exceptional extracurriculars which didn't get discussed!), it's in good part luck of the draw, like in a lottery. And could it be that many of those lower tier colleges might not have accepted niece because they thought she'd place better and they were concerned about yield? Should this girl really have applied ED to BC or her parental legacy to have a shot at a decent outcome? If that is what one has to do after paying 200k+ for a Big 3, won't many people opt out of the private schools?

The point of attending a big 3 is college preparation & socialization. We were under no delusions that paying X amount of money for high school would buy our child a spot at a certain university.

SO all those with supposedly unhooked DC with 1500 should tell us what the secret ingredient was...
Or...perhaps just a bit of luck, because that poster who keeps claiming that applying to more of the top 20/30 schools doesn't statistically increase acceptance rates is probably just a Big 3 college counselor who doesn't know statistics. With acceptance rates in the single digits and many many qualified applicants (remember niece also had exceptional extracurriculars which didn't get discussed!), it's in good part luck of the draw, like in a lottery. And could it be that many of those lower tier colleges might not have accepted niece because they thought she'd place better and they were concerned about yield? Should this girl really have applied ED to BC or her parental legacy to have a shot at a decent outcome? If that is what one has to do after paying 200k+ for a Big 3, won't many people opt out of the private schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Our unhooked DC with 1500 is crushing it in their first year at an Ivy.

if it’s Yale, that’s impressive, if it’s Cornell, meh

name the ivy when u make statements like this pls

NP - my unhooked DC with 1510 also crushing it (at Yale, 2nd year) but your comparison to Cornell is absurd. Cornell is a grind school, super demanding, and I”d be every bit as impressed with that kid as one at any other peer school.

Only 4 real ivies.