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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

This was a BS decision made by fools and I’m sorry your kid (and your family) went through that, he sounds amazing

Thank you. He is doing great. BTW, he actually had a 4.7 GPA.

Just want to point out VCCS to people so they know about how good of a deal it is. In a lot of ways, it could be better than going direct to college, especially in his case. There are a lot of people that could avoid the mess that is the college admissions office and go where they want.

I'm sorry to point this out to you... but if your son with his 4.7GPA and 1550 SAT and good ECs did not get into UVA, then his essays and LORs were not great.

Different poster here - that is not true, I know of a few kids this also happened to - UVA can only take so many kids per HS, and they tend to take certain applicants before others, in the last few years.

Don't be so quick to judge. (Who would not want to pay a fraction of the price of a private college?)

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

This was a BS decision made by fools and I’m sorry your kid (and your family) went through that, he sounds amazing

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Yes, it is statistically more difficult to get into UVAz the 75th percentile of enrolled students last year had a 4.53 gpa, ACT of 34 and sat of 1520. That’s the stats for enrolled, not admitted students (stats of admitted are higher -some students pick Ivies or SLACs over UVA). W&Ms stats are slightly lower across the board

Where are you getting those stats?

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Other PP here - yup, they do not want higher stats than about what you listed, likely due to yield protection (UVA knows those applicants will choose a different school, ultimately - not UVA).

To the best of my knowledge, UVA does not engage in yield protection (like Virginia Tech does). Please cite something to show me wrong.

DP. You must be joking. Of *course* they do. Most schools nowadays do exactly that. If you don't apply ED, it's clear you're weighing your options elsewhere, and you run the risk of being rejected to preserve that yield. All you have to do is talk to students at school and look at Naviance.

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You have to be terribly naive and very foolish to think that UVA, and most other schools who play the ED game, are not yield protecting.

How does UVA and similar schools decide which sky high stat kids to accept and which to deny in RD for yield protection? We know a number of 4.5+ GPA kids (APs in all core classes) with SAT scores of 1560 or above that were accepted at UVA RD. And yes, a few of them ultimately went to T15 schools.

UVA likes "diversity".

That's rich! You woulnd't know it from the student body.

Hardcore DEI is replacing AA - it is playing out as we speak. Watch.

Hopefully the Supreme Court will make AA and woke DEI illegal soon. Racism is wrong and discrimination of any kind is illegal, right?

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Yes, it is statistically more difficult to get into UVAz the 75th percentile of enrolled students last year had a 4.53 gpa, ACT of 34 and sat of 1520. That’s the stats for enrolled, not admitted students (stats of admitted are higher -some students pick Ivies or SLACs over UVA). W&Ms stats are slightly lower across the board

Where are you getting those stats?

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Other PP here - yup, they do not want higher stats than about what you listed, likely due to yield protection (UVA knows those applicants will choose a different school, ultimately - not UVA).

To the best of my knowledge, UVA does not engage in yield protection (like Virginia Tech does). Please cite something to show me wrong.

DP. You must be joking. Of *course* they do. Most schools nowadays do exactly that. If you don't apply ED, it's clear you're weighing your options elsewhere, and you run the risk of being rejected to preserve that yield. All you have to do is talk to students at school and look at Naviance.

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You have to be terribly naive and very foolish to think that UVA, and most other schools who play the ED game, are not yield protecting.

I'm not foolish. Please cite something to show me that UVA engages in yield protection because I have never seen it admitted or even discussed anywhere, whereas it is discussed a lot about Virginia Tech and W&M

They were saying ED is de facto a form of yield protection.

Then how is their acceptance rate not sky high for ED?

UVA has said that they accept a tiny number of students in ED and that their best applicant pool is EA. They seem to discourage ED (unlike other schools). It’s hard to figure out whether ED is even an advantage (bump) at UVA.

Maybe they do ED not to increase the yield but just let the applicant know early if they get in. If not, they still have time to ed2 and etc to other schools.

It seems unlikely that they reinstated ED for the benefit of applicants. It’s typically used to benefit universities and they know that they are in the minority since it’s very rare for a state school to offer ED.

No it isnt

It is rare for state universities.

Not in Virginia.
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It is rare nationally.

459 colleges and universities use ED

How many are public?

Other PP here. WM has been skewing more selective than UVA for the last few years.

Look, you need to stop. WM is an excellent and highly selective school in its own right, but it is simply inaccurate by every objective measure to say that it is “skewing more selective than UVA in recent years.” The opposite is true.

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Everyone we know who got into UVA from our school had over a 4.3 weighted GPA. They all had 4+ years language. My son had 11 APs, a 4.4, 1580 SAT (taken once) and huge ECs and did not get in. So, who knows. Though he only did 3 years language. According to our schools naviance no one with his stats had ever been rejected - thus I dont trust naviance. I think lots of high stat kids get rejected for who knows what reason. VA schools in particular has a major focus on diversity and he is a white male. Happy ending though, he ended up at a safety is having the time of his life and already as an internship lined up that pays 50/hr. Not getting into UVA is not the end of the world.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

This was a BS decision made by fools and I’m sorry your kid (and your family) went through that, he sounds amazing

Thank you. He is doing great. BTW, he actually had a 4.7 GPA.

Just want to point out VCCS to people so they know about how good of a deal it is. In a lot of ways, it could be better than going direct to college, especially in his case. There are a lot of people that could avoid the mess that is the college admissions office and go where they want.

I'm sorry to point this out to you... but if your son with his 4.7GPA and 1550 SAT and good ECs did not get into UVA, then his essays and LORs were not great.

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

This was a BS decision made by fools and I’m sorry your kid (and your family) went through that, he sounds amazing

Thank you. He is doing great. BTW, he actually had a 4.7 GPA.

Just want to point out VCCS to people so they know about how good of a deal it is. In a lot of ways, it could be better than going direct to college, especially in his case. There are a lot of people that could avoid the mess that is the college admissions office and go where they want.

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Yes, it is statistically more difficult to get into UVAz the 75th percentile of enrolled students last year had a 4.53 gpa, ACT of 34 and sat of 1520. That’s the stats for enrolled, not admitted students (stats of admitted are higher -some students pick Ivies or SLACs over UVA). W&Ms stats are slightly lower across the board

Where are you getting those stats?

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Other PP here - yup, they do not want higher stats than about what you listed, likely due to yield protection (UVA knows those applicants will choose a different school, ultimately - not UVA).

To the best of my knowledge, UVA does not engage in yield protection (like Virginia Tech does). Please cite something to show me wrong.

DP. You must be joking. Of *course* they do. Most schools nowadays do exactly that. If you don't apply ED, it's clear you're weighing your options elsewhere, and you run the risk of being rejected to preserve that yield. All you have to do is talk to students at school and look at Naviance.

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You have to be terribly naive and very foolish to think that UVA, and most other schools who play the ED game, are not yield protecting.

I'm not foolish. Please cite something to show me that UVA engages in yield protection because I have never seen it admitted or even discussed anywhere, whereas it is discussed a lot about Virginia Tech and W&M

They were saying ED is de facto a form of yield protection.

Then how is their acceptance rate not sky high for ED?

UVA has said that they accept a tiny number of students in ED and that their best applicant pool is EA. They seem to discourage ED (unlike other schools). It’s hard to figure out whether ED is even an advantage (bump) at UVA.

Maybe they do ED not to increase the yield but just let the applicant know early if they get in. If not, they still have time to ed2 and etc to other schools.

It seems unlikely that they reinstated ED for the benefit of applicants. It’s typically used to benefit universities and they know that they are in the minority since it’s very rare for a state school to offer ED.

No it isnt

It is rare for state universities.

Not in Virginia.
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It is rare nationally.

459 colleges and universities use ED

How many are public?

Exactly.

According to this list there are about a dozen public schools offering ED and half are in Virginia.

https://blog.prepscholar.com/early-decision-schools-and-colleges-complete-list

None are the same caliber as UVA. VT and W&M are the most competitive schools to get into on the list after UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:I see the appeal of the vccs route for kids who just want the degree from the top university. But many kids want a traditional college experience and are social - ie wanting to join a sorority/fraternity, value social connection and on campus experience.

I agree with that, but when a white, in-state kid with a 4.7 GPA (I incorrectly wrote 4.4 in my original post) doesn't get into the school he wants to go to, it is a great option. Same for people with economic factors. My son has been awarded scholarships and grants for his entire 3 semesters (summer 2022, fall 2022, spring 2023) and will show up to VT without having spent a dime on tuition. He also has been working part time. There is a good chance will spend 3 years there as he is planning on double majoring. 3 years of college is pretty good.

VCCS will bypass the broken college admissions office. That is the best part.

Why should a top student be relegated to a school they have no interest in? Because they are white?

Why would a top student not find good safety and match schools so they are not "relegated to a school they have no interest in"? There are thousands of Top Students and not enough spaces at the "top/elite/instate" schools. So this parent has smartly figured out that VCCS is an affordable way to stay instate and get into the great affordable option if that's where you want to attend. More kids should do this.

It's not about being White or any other background. It's about there are more qualified students than spaces. And colleges want diversity on all levels---that may mean someone only has a 1450 and 3.7 and gets in over your 4.7/1550 student. It's not like VATech is admitting kids with 1000/3.0 into engineering over your kid. The differences between 1450/1550 is minimal.

It has a great deal with being white, and being an in state applicant and being a student from a large and competitive school. There is a huge difference when there is a 4.7 student not getting accepted and a 3.7 that is struggling. A 4.7 and 3.7 aren't even close.

VCCS is great because the 4.7 student can get in despite an admissions system that had been corrupted to the elite left.

Safety school are usually where people don't want to go.

Anonymous wrote:I said it upthread and got jumped on but uva is more competitive than WM for admissions…and I have a kid who prefers WM over uva. I’m not saying this as some kind of sour grapes. It’s true.