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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

People are literally saying there is no use to telling people to eat healthy foods and exercise because studies show it doesn't work for weight loss.

Fully agree we need to keep pushing the message to eat healthy and exercise for both health and weight management. Sure, once you are too obese it might not work and then you need drugs. But before that point, we should encourage it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.

I don’t think it’s fat shaming. I do think it’s a bad strategy based on the population-level data.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.

It really not. So stop tripping. Everything is a tool. Nobody is saying that folks shouldn't eat healthy foods or exercise even while taking these meds. If you eat badly while taking these meds, they won't work. So stop being ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.

Again, are these people in the room with us right now? You’re fighting demons that don’t exist, sis.

Normal weight person- I'm thrilled for this drug and hope it helps everyone. I really think Americans' health has been in the sh!tter for a long time and we aren't living longer anymore. Eliminating obesity would be a HUGE accomplishment and a step. I have no problem with someone taking it to lose 20lbs even. 20lb loss can mean someone is off heart medicine, diabetes drugs or (in my mom's case) help their back problems. Frankly I was debilitated by plantar fasciitis while pregnant (twice!!). As soon as I got the weight off, my foot felt better. Nothing else really helped me and I was just miserable hobbling around everywhere. So no, I don't think this drug should just be for morbidly obese people.

Anonymous wrote:The side effects for these meds sound brutal. Anyone care to share their experience here?

I am the Pharmacist and poster that had been on the meds for almost 5 years. As of today i have lost 136lbs. I was apart of the study for Wegovy. I have posted on this board since the day I started the started study. The side effects can be brutal for some. Diarrhea, nausea and upset stomach. That's why they titration of the dosage is so important. When I started the medication, I knew I was on the medication and not the placebo immediately. You feel full and if you eat another bite at that fullness level, you will pay for it.That was my experience. Now 5 years in, it's not like that anymore, but also I know how to eat and I never eat to fullness anymore anyway. I actually follow OMAD and have been fir 3 years. I only between 6pm and 8pm. I work out 5 days a week and do yoga once a week.

I have been off the medication for a bit, gained some weight about 6lbs back when I was off it for about 8 months.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

There have been years and years of taking the approach of encouraging people to eat healthy and move more to try to address obesity. Literally billions of dollars have been poured into the effort over fifty or sixty years. But the evidence does not lie: as a medical approach, that’s a colossal failure.

Why on earth do you think there is literally any evidence to support your approach? You seem to wish that just telling people what to do would work, but wishful thinking is not a reasonable approach to public health.

Give me solid evidence—I will take any evidence—that telling people to “eat healthy and move more” has had any appreciable impact whatsoever in preventing obesity over the long-term and across societal groups.

Why do you cling to myths? Why can’t you face reality?

I personally know many people who have lost weight through diet and exercise! Are you really saying it's not possible?

Ah yes. Always on DCUM there are the friends that people know in these threads, those magical unicorns who have defied all studies, who are bizarrely statistically overpresent on DCUM. It is indeed a mystery.

Studies are studies, they only track a few hundred or thousands of people. Are you saying you don't know a single person who has lost weight with diet and exercise? Look at this very forum, where you will see many people sharing their experience. Maybe they are all lying because it's anonymous...?

Just because you personally don't know or associate with people who have lost weight through diet and exercise doesn't mean they don't exist. I work out at two different gyms and know several people who are there kicking ass every day who used to be overweight and now they are maintaining their weight loss (and getting stronger to boot).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

You really think there’s a moral hazard of people becoming obese because they think they will be able to lose the weight? Really?

[quote]
Okay show me the study that supports a “personal responsibility” approach. It seems like what you’re saying is NOT that there’s some public health campaign or curriculum that will work (which is true, no data supports it). It seems like you’re saying is that you’re mad we are telling you shouting “PeRSonAL rESPonSIbILitY” isn’t a public service on your part.[/quote]

I want to see this too. Where is the evidence?

(I don’t know why quotes aren’t working.)

I swear to God, obesity just triggers people so much.

To those of you who think it's a "lazy shortcut", would you get a cavity filled? Why didn't you just take care of your teeth in the first place? Brush your teeth and avoid sugar, it's not that hard.

Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.[/quote]

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.
[b]
The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.[/b] [/quote]

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time. [/quote]

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.[/quote]

Why should they be a last resort? [/quote]

Last resort...that's crazy! Surgery should be last resort.

The mental gymnastics some of you are having are these meds is astonishing. They are helping lose weight and get healthy! Why are so against them? Page after page, no still has explained why the same conversations are not had about anxiety medications, acne medications cholesterol medications, blood pressure medications, ADHD medications,....[/quote]

No one is "against" them for those who need them. But shouldn't our goal be to reduce the number of people who become obese and need them?

What some seem to suggest is there is NO WAY to take personal accountability and stop the eating pattern before you eventually become obese. So just throw up your hands and go straight to the meds.[/quote]

Okay show me the study that supports a “personal responsibility” approach. It seems like what you’re saying is NOT that there’s some public health campaign or curriculum that will work (which is true, no data supports it). It seems like you’re saying is that you’re mad we are telling you shouting “PeRSonAL rESPonSIbILitY” isn’t a public service on your part. [/quote]

What in the world! Seems like some of what you say is valuable but it's hard to tell due to the lack of proper formatting in your lengthy post. I suggest you click on PREVIEW before you post in the future, and maybe practice and figure out how to make it look like you want, like bolded or quoted text. Good luck!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

There have been years and years of taking the approach of encouraging people to eat healthy and move more to try to address obesity. Literally billions of dollars have been poured into the effort over fifty or sixty years. But the evidence does not lie: as a medical approach, that’s a colossal failure.

Why on earth do you think there is literally any evidence to support your approach? You seem to wish that just telling people what to do would work, but wishful thinking is not a reasonable approach to public health.

Give me solid evidence—I will take any evidence—that telling people to “eat healthy and move more” has had any appreciable impact whatsoever in preventing obesity over the long-term and across societal groups.

Why do you cling to myths? Why can’t you face reality?

I personally know many people who have lost weight through diet and exercise! Are you really saying it's not possible?

Ah yes. Always on DCUM there are the friends that people know in these threads, those magical unicorns who have defied all studies, who are bizarrely statistically overpresent on DCUM. It is indeed a mystery.