There are many top 50 and top 100 colleges in-between Rochester, Pittsburgh and Chicago. Most of the B1G Ten is in that frigid Rust Belt region - Michigan, Ohio State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois - plus Carnegie Melon, Case Western, Rochester, Northwestern. But it's just not a place kids are dreaming about spending four years of life concentrated in the coldest months of the year. It's not a place wealthy Americans are clamoring to move to. It's not even a place immigrants want to settle in. It's stagnant. And if you think stagnation, decline and terrible weather bodes well for the future of colleges and universities in that region you're not seeing straight.

Anonymous wrote:My kid is a junior and all of her list is mid-west, upstate NY, NE. She needs a new coat and we want it to last through college. What should we get??

Down and knee length. Weather proof. I would look in the spring/summer for best pricing. Also if she likes to thrift shop I would tell her to look at winter coats and pick up a couple. At Michigan they use thrift coats as their going out coats in case they get lost or stolen. Big down coat for walking on campus to class etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Have your kids read the new laws in the southern red states then repost them here. Sure going to places like Florida for college is an amazing idea.. .Parents are just stupid.

Much like the weather, I don't really care about abortion laws in whatever state my kids want to attend college.

Your teens are penciling in undergrad abortions? How charming.

Ni, but doctors don't want to practice in red states. The shortages will become more and more drastic as time goes on. And not just in obstetrics

This is what I am worried about, in addition to the threat to birth control methods.

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Anonymous wrote:I attended U. of Michigan for four years and I really hated it. It is too cold for me and not much to do in the winter, everything has to be indoors with the exception of skiing, ice hockey, ice fishing. The sky is always gloomy. One of my kids is attending U. of Miami and another one is attending UCLA. They love the warm weather, outdoor activities, and the women there. Women in Miami and LA are much better looking than in cold places. YMMV.

And that's the best reason to choose a college - for the women

Public flagship U is public flagship U. Kids can study the same things at Michigan and Alabama and Clemson and Georgia. Nobody in the real world puts a resume or application to the top because it has a Michigan bachelor’s. Nobody cares.

Agreed! Oxford, Cambridge, Berkeley, UCLA, Georgia Tech, West Point, Naval Academy, and Michigan are viewed the same as Alabama, just like Harvard is viewed the same as the University of Phoenix, Yale is viewed the same as DeVry, and Princeton is viewed the same as Northwestern. Agreed!

Agreed!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m currently in TX (obligatory visit to ILs) and even they aren’t immune from this cold

My kid is currently obsessed with a school on Michigan’s UP. I am not against it, but we definitely need to get her much better winter gear.

My kid goes to school in MI and went to boarding school in MA. He said MI is another level of cold from New England, and basically never wears coats here in DC anymore. Today might be an exception though.

Agree both can be freezing, but Detroit is a different kind of cold.

Ok, but Detroit isn’t on the UP

Too funny. The winters in the UP, especially where Michigan Tech is located, are overall much more snowy and colder than anything in SE Michigan. The geographic ignorance of Americans is once again on full display here.

I think it’s cultural. In the US, the maps are seldomly used in the media. For example, in the news they often they describe where the car accident occurred but never show it on a map. They might report that there's a drought in the Midwest but does not show you the map of that region. It’s ironic that in much smaller country like Japan, they’re likely to flash a map on the screen (even for few seconds) to show where on the island the coverage is about. I say, we should advocate to used the map more in the media, school text books, etc. including the DCUM- add a screenshot or give a link to the map.

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Anonymous wrote:Have your kids read the new laws in the southern red states then repost them here. Sure going to places like Florida for college is an amazing idea.. .Parents are just stupid.

Much like the weather, I don't really care about abortion laws in whatever state my kids want to attend college.

Your teens are penciling in undergrad abortions? How charming.

Ni, but doctors don't want to practice in red states. The shortages will become more and more drastic as time goes on. And not just in obstetrics

Anonymous wrote:I have no dog in this fight, but there actually ARE good schools (t25 even) in some of those places

Exactly 3. Chicago, Evanston, and Ann Arbor.

I have no dog in this fight, but there actually ARE good schools (t25 even) in some of those places

Anonymous wrote:Population and economic declines in the frigid north vs population and economic booms on the coasts and sun belt is certainly going to impact college applications and college statuses going forward. Fact is American kids born in the 00s and 10s are not dreaming of going to college in Buffalo, Cleveland, Rochester, Detroit, Columbus, Indianapolis, Ann Arbor, West Lafayette, Chicago, Bloomington, Milwaukee. They're just not. A snow storm looks pretty on a single instagram photo, it's not fun to live through for 75% of the academic year for four years of college.

You speak like an old troll. Most of those cities don’t have premier schools located in/near them. Furthermore, who ever dreams of attending college in Indianapolis, Milwaukee, or Detroit? You’re not too smart, you’re just not

Anonymous wrote:Well, statistically depression and suicide rates are higher in harsh wintery areas. Cornell and U Penn etc are often in news.

Ma'am, Philly is not a harsh "wintery" city.

Population and economic declines in the frigid north vs population and economic booms on the coasts and sun belt is certainly going to impact college applications and college statuses going forward. Fact is American kids born in the 00s and 10s are not dreaming of going to college in Buffalo, Cleveland, Rochester, Detroit, Columbus, Indianapolis, Ann Arbor, West Lafayette, Chicago, Bloomington, Milwaukee. They're just not. A snow storm looks pretty on a single instagram photo, it's not fun to live through for 75% of the academic year for four years of college.

Well, statistically depression and suicide rates are higher in harsh wintery areas. Cornell and U Penn etc are often in news.

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Anonymous wrote:May/June up North is some of the most glorious weather you ever experience too. Florida has nothing to compare to it, having lived both places.

But most college students leave campus by mid May.

Not even. UMich semester ends in mid/late April, actually. These Rust Belt lifers are delusional.

And Dartmouth goes into June.

Dartmouth is an Ivy. Michigan is a gigantic impersonal public flagship little different than more favorable weather flagships including UCLA, Berkeley, UCSD, UCSB, Arizona, ASU, Clemson, USC, UNC, UVA, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, UT Austin, LSU, Kentucky, Tennessee. Many of which will offer significant merit awards for high-achieving applicants and also, they’re in or nearer regions with booming economies and growth. Rust Belt is stagnant at best.

Half of those are in sh1thole swampy states. I’ll take Michigan over any of those.

That’s fine. Just don’t be delusional and think all things being equal, your or your kid’s four years in the rust belt tundra puts your resume above kids from those sunnier publics. Nobody cares.

Nobody’s like you don’t care. Of course it makes a difference. You can say it over and over again, it won’t change reality.

A really odd take by PP. I'm pretty sure "weather at the school the applicant went to" isn't really a factor in hiring decisions.

There are many many good schools with good weather, Narnia isn't the only place where good schools exist.

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Anonymous wrote:May/June up North is some of the most glorious weather you ever experience too. Florida has nothing to compare to it, having lived both places.

But most college students leave campus by mid May.

Not even. UMich semester ends in mid/late April, actually. These Rust Belt lifers are delusional.

And Dartmouth goes into June.

Dartmouth is an Ivy. Michigan is a gigantic impersonal public flagship little different than more favorable weather flagships including UCLA, Berkeley, UCSD, UCSB, Arizona, ASU, Clemson, USC, UNC, UVA, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, UT Austin, LSU, Kentucky, Tennessee. Many of which will offer significant merit awards for high-achieving applicants and also, they’re in or nearer regions with booming economies and growth. Rust Belt is stagnant at best.

Half of those are in sh1thole swampy states. I’ll take Michigan over any of those.

That’s fine. Just don’t be delusional and think all things being equal, your or your kid’s four years in the rust belt tundra puts your resume above kids from those sunnier publics. Nobody cares.

Nobody’s like you don’t care. Of course it makes a difference. You can say it over and over again, it won’t change reality.

A really odd take by PP. I'm pretty sure "weather at the school the applicant went to" isn't really a factor in hiring decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:May/June up North is some of the most glorious weather you ever experience too. Florida has nothing to compare to it, having lived both places.

But most college students leave campus by mid May.

Not even. UMich semester ends in mid/late April, actually. These Rust Belt lifers are delusional.

And Dartmouth goes into June.

Dartmouth is an Ivy. Michigan is a gigantic impersonal public flagship little different than more favorable weather flagships including UCLA, Berkeley, UCSD, UCSB, Arizona, ASU, Clemson, USC, UNC, UVA, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, UT Austin, LSU, Kentucky, Tennessee. Many of which will offer significant merit awards for high-achieving applicants and also, they’re in or nearer regions with booming economies and growth. Rust Belt is stagnant at best.

Half of those are in sh1thole swampy states. I’ll take Michigan over any of those.

That’s fine. Just don’t be delusional and think all things being equal, your or your kid’s four years in the rust belt tundra puts your resume above kids from those sunnier publics. Nobody cares.

Nobody’s like you don’t care. Of course it makes a difference. You can say it over and over again, it won’t change reality.

A really odd take by PP. I'm pretty sure "weather at the school the applicant went to" isn't really a factor in hiring decisions.