Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

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Anonymous wrote:Would you go test optional with a 1230 SAT and 3.7 w GPA?

wow it's so inflated these days back in my day 3.3 GPA and 1100 would be a solid score for VT engineering

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

Again, admissions is not just stats.

PP, again, Tech's process just appears so unique and arbitrary. Reliance on ED (which comprise probably less a dozen public institutions in the entire country) and higher OOS acceptance rate (again highly unusual for a public institution).

I think it’s funny that the Virginia posters complaining about VT often comment on their admission to MD from oos. Clearly MD also takes a lot of oos students.

Exactly! They don’t even grasp the disconnect in their “logic.”

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The "logic" is pretty clear. A few years back VT brought in admissions consultants to help them assess how to climb the USNWR charts. The result is what you see. Also, Tech's President TIm Sands said he wanted the university to be 40% URM and Students of Color. He achieved this by 2022. https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2022/09/admissions-fall-census-2022.html. What does that do? It catapults VT up the USNWR charts. How do you do this? You yield protect and select more URM and first generations. So, if you are URM or first generation you are going to get a big boost in admissions. If you are Asian American and a great student at TJ, forget it. We've seen this for the last four or five years. That's why there is a "disconnect" and reporting is all over the board.

Anonymous wrote:I just don't see much of Virginia being terribly academic. I can't believe the biggest school in the state has OVER a 4.0 GPA as its average.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know why this is happening? Kids get into UVA but not VT all while the acceptance rate for UVA is 21% and VT still claims 45-50%. If those stats are true VT is intentionally dumping higher achievers. Just curious why.

Because why would you go to VT/VCU/JMU/GMU et al of you get into UVA or W8M? And won’t try to limit this to Engr….

See, this is why no one takes you seriously. There are plenty of reasons one might choose to go to any of the bolded schools over UVA or W&M, the biggest of which is preference. Some people are utterly repelled by both UVA and W&M, for different reasons. But you know that.
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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

Again, admissions is not just stats.

PP, again, Tech's process just appears so unique and arbitrary. Reliance on ED (which comprise probably less a dozen public institutions in the entire country) and higher OOS acceptance rate (again highly unusual for a public institution).

I think it’s funny that the Virginia posters complaining about VT often comment on their admission to MD from oos. Clearly MD also takes a lot of oos students.

Exactly! They don’t even grasp the disconnect in their “logic.”

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The "logic" is pretty clear. A few years back VT brought in admissions consultants to help them assess how to climb the USNWR charts. The result is what you see. Also, Tech's President TIm Sands said he wanted the university to be 40% URM and Students of Color. He achieved this by 2022. https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2022/09/admissions-fall-census-2022.html. What does that do? It catapults VT up the USNWR charts. How do you do this? You yield protect and select more URM and first generations. So, if you are URM or first generation you are going to get a big boost in admissions. If you are Asian American and a great student at TJ, forget it. We've seen this for the last four or five years. That's why there is a "disconnect" and reporting is all over the board.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

Again, admissions is not just stats.

PP, again, Tech's process just appears so unique and arbitrary. Reliance on ED (which comprise probably less a dozen public institutions in the entire country) and higher OOS acceptance rate (again highly unusual for a public institution).

I think it’s funny that the Virginia posters complaining about VT often comment on their admission to MD from oos. Clearly MD also takes a lot of oos students.

Exactly! They don’t even grasp the disconnect in their “logic.”

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

Again, admissions is not just stats.

PP, again, Tech's process just appears so unique and arbitrary. Reliance on ED (which comprise probably less a dozen public institutions in the entire country) and higher OOS acceptance rate (again highly unusual for a public institution).

I think it’s funny that the Virginia posters complaining about VT often comment on their admission to MD from oos. Clearly MD also takes a lot of oos students.

Exactly! They don’t even grasp the disconnect in their “logic.”

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

+1. When you look at VT in our high school Naviance it starkly stands out from other local schools (UVA, W&M, UMD, Mason, VCU etc). The academic stats for admissions and rejections are right on top of each other for VT with many high stat outlier rejections - it looks almost like a complete crapshoot. With all the other schools there is a clear pattern of what academic level is likely to gain admission - sure there are some outliers but nothing remotely like VT. It is disappointing that Virginia students get fairer, more transparent consideration at UMD and a number of other good OOS schools then they do at VT. Why can UMD manage an entering class without ED and without yield protection while VT has to play all these games.