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"1 - Hasty Generalization and Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Hasty Generalization occurs when making a claim about something without sufficient or unbiased evidence for the claim. Post hoc ergo propter hoc occurs when someone assumes causality from an order of events. In this case, the use of a percentage drop and likelihood of not being in high transmission by the time school starts as an indicator that no future events will occur at MCPS once unmasked students intermingle. The generalization is whether past high transmission drops within the county correspond to transmission drops at MCPS. However there is data that MCPS was the primary source of the January covid numbers within the county reporting dashboard and the uptick in non-MCPS numbers occurred AFTER the infections within MCPS.

Where is the data that MCPS was the primary source of the January Covid numbers? How do you separate MCPS numbers that involved mandated/random/facilitated testing with non-MCPS numbers that primarily involved self-selected testing? Also, you're assuming causality between the uptick in non-MCPS numbers after the MCPS infections, yes? How does this align against MoCo numbers peaking during winter break and consistently dropping over the course of January and completely bottoming out in February/March? Further, where is the data in general that Covid waves are statistically influenced/driven by in-person school and not associated with the typical variant wave patterns?

Aside, your post is so entirely disingenuous as to not to be taken seriously. You're selectively ascribing post attacks to the non-masking crowd. There's a whole catalog of attacks from the other side to choose from: "Something is wrong with your household"; "It's called parenting - try it"; "I care about my kids, you do not"; "No wonder kids have mental health problems"; and on and on and on. When you show bias to this degree, it discounts or entirely invalidates everything else you're trying to communicate.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

There is not high immunity.

Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.

The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

There is not high immunity.

Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

There is not high immunity.

"We'll see. 1-[Cases are down 18% from their high three weeks ago in MoCo. We're definitely trending toward being out of high transmission by the time school starts. 2-I'm sure your response (or the outcome you'll be rooting for) is that school will drive the numbers back up because 3 - you believe there's a connection between the two."

1 - Hasty Generalization and Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Hasty Generalization occurs when making a claim about something without sufficient or unbiased evidence for the claim. Post hoc ergo propter hoc occurs when someone assumes causality from an order of events. In this case, the use of a percentage drop and likelihood of not being in high transmission by the time school starts as an indicator that no future events will occur at MCPS once unmasked students intermingle. The generalization is whether past high transmission drops within the county correspond to transmission drops at MCPS. However there is data that MCPS was the primary source of the January covid numbers within the county reporting dashboard and the uptick in non-MCPS numbers occurred AFTER the infections within MCPS.

2 - Ad Hominem. Attacking a person, such as their identity or character, instead of attacking their actual position in an argument. It reflects the character of the writer more than it really does undermine the target of the attack, since strong emotion is revealed (normally anger or hatred).

3 - Straw Man. This logic fallacy sets up a false version of the opponent’s argument, and then works at knocking that down. Most often used when the writer is unable to contradict factual information (in this case, that schools are sources of infection spread).

"4 - If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. 5 - Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?"

4 - Loaded Question and Equivocation. The Loaded Question fallacy occurs whenever a person asks a question which includes their desired outcome, against the position of the person answering the question. Equivocation is to make an incorrect equivalence between words (or concepts that are at issue within the argument). The conditions, timing, duration, and overall scope of masking are of relevance.

5 - False Dichotomy. This occurs when the arguer is presenting only two possible options or outcomes to a position, when in reality there are more options. In this case, the argument ignores potential health damage from infection or repeated infections, whether schools will be able to remain open if sufficient staff become ill, as well as contradicts the future state argument within #1 and #2.

"You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, 6 - despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?"

6 - False Information combined with Confirmation Bias. Immunity is (a) variable based upon the variant, for example, current vaccinations are only partially effective against BA.275, BA.4, BA.5, etc. and (b) weakens over time. Low case severity is relative to an individuals (a) number of re-infections, (b) overall immunity and health, (c) lack of long-term health effect data, etc.

I think the only top-10 logic errors missed were the ad verecundiam and argumentum ad populum?

DP - to the pro-mask person - I'd just like to take this opportunity to point out you're trying to have a meaningful discussion with someone incapable of following a logical train of thought. This is a common trait I've seen amongst anti-maskers, so keep this in mind.

Examples:

"We'll see. [b]1-[Cases are down 18% from their high three weeks ago in MoCo. We're definitely trending toward being out of high transmission by the time school starts.[\b] [b]2-I'm sure your response (or the outcome you'll be rooting for)[\b] is that school will drive the numbers back up because [b]3 - you believe there's a connection between the two[\b]."

1 - Hasty Generalization and Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Hasty Generalization occurs when making a claim about something without sufficient or unbiased evidence for the claim. Post hoc ergo propter hoc occurs when someone assumes causality from an order of events. In this case, the use of a percentage drop and likelihood of not being in high transmission by the time school starts as an indicator that no future events will occur at MCPS once unmasked students intermingle. The generalization is whether past high transmission drops within the county correspond to transmission drops at MCPS. However there is data that MCPS was the primary source of the January covid numbers within the county reporting dashboard and the uptick in non-MCPS numbers occurred AFTER the infections within MCPS.

2 - Ad Hominem. Attacking a person, such as their identity or character, instead of attacking their actual position in an argument. It reflects the character of the writer more than it really does undermine the target of the attack, since strong emotion is revealed (normally anger or hatred).

3 - Straw Man. This logic fallacy sets up a false version of the opponent’s argument, and then works at knocking that down. Most often used when the writer is unable to contradict factual information (in this case, that schools are sources of infection spread).

"[b]4 - If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently.[\b] [b]5 - Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?[\b]"

4 - Loaded Question and Equivocation. The Loaded Question fallacy occurs whenever a person asks a question which includes their desired outcome, against the position of the person answering the question. Equivocation is to make an incorrect equivalence between words (or concepts that are at issue within the argument). The conditions, timing, duration, and overall scope of masking are of relevance.

5 - False Dichotomy. This occurs when the arguer is presenting only two possible options or outcomes to a position, when in reality there are more options. In this case, the argument ignores potential health damage from infection or repeated infections, whether schools will be able to remain open if sufficient staff become ill, as well as contradicts the future state argument within #1 and #2.

"You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, [b]6 - despite high immunity and low case severity[\b], presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?"

6 - False Information combined with Confirmation Bias. Immunity is (a) variable based upon the variant, for example, current vaccinations are only partially effective against BA.275, BA.4, BA.5, etc. and (b) weakens over time. Low case severity is relative to an individuals (a) number of re-infections, (b) overall immunity and health, (c) lack of long-term health effect data, etc.

I think the only top-10 logic errors missed were the ad verecundiam and argumentum ad populum.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

Where did you go to school that you only know today and forever? It's so sad you didn't learn about time or history or pandemics or mitigation or caring about other humans. Was it a private religious school?

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they’re just going to start off in the fall similarly to how they ended in the spring. If there’s a surge, you may not have a bus driver and your kid may be sitting in an auditorium being babysat with 100 others not really learning if enough staff are out sick. Unless the cdc gets rid of the 5 day isolation, mcps won’t change that procedure.

Can you imagine the spread of covid if they do the auditoriums given this variant is far more contagious? How quickly will they be posting here complaining abotu that.

Absolutely. I am on day 5 of Covid right now and if I were your kids teacher, I would be coughing all over them in class tomorrow.

Fine by me. Stay home if you feel sick otherwise go to work. We’ve got to move on.

Same here. Stay home if you have a fever or feel terrible and can’t do your job. Otherwise, I’m not afraid of my kid’s teacher having a cough.

So do you even Covid test or just assume a cold and ignore?

Why would you go into work if you’d be coughing all over the students? I agree with the pp who said, “Stay home if you feel sick”.

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Of course I would not do that. I am just saying that after 5 days of Covid I still feel contagious...but it sure sounds like the PP would just have me treat it as a cold and move on. They would send their kids in with the same "cold"

MCPS needs to make classrooms or schools specific for those people who moved on and don't care so they can spread it around and have safer schools where parents who care. They should also require parents like that poster to work as subs once a week.

When will you move on?

I’m not being snarky.

I truly wonder what metric you plan to use in order to adjust to the fact that covid isn’t ever going away.

DP. I’ll move on when I am no longer immunocompromised. All I want is 1) for students and staff to test if they have symptoms or know they were exposed and 2) for people who know they are sick to stay home until they are no longer infectious.

Is your immunocompromised status temporary?

One issue with what you’re saying is that we don’t have an accurate way to determine who is infectious. Also, that’s a spectrum, rather than a simple yes/no, with people generally being less contagious as time passes.

I also don’t really understand the reason to test. If you’re saying sick kids should stay home, does it really matter what they’re sick with? If a sick child tests negative for covid, would you really say it’s ok for them to go back to school before they’re better?

The issue is parents like you will not keep sick kids home and have no issue infecting the rest of us. The issue is the consequences of covid are no big deal for you as you just ignore them and go about what ever you want but some of us can get very sick from it and miss work and other things like necessary medical appointments.

Should actual sick kids and staff be in school? Of course not. But some you still seem to have trouble grasping that Covid in kids can present itself so mildly that it’s easy to miss. The only reason we knew my DS had it is because we tested him before visiting grandparents. He had NO symptoms. He had been at camp and probably picked it up there, likely from another kid or counselor who was not obviously sick. It’s just part of life now, but sone of you want to keep blaming your woes on everyone else.

We’ve never expected asymptomatic kids or staff to stay home from school or work. Never. Asymptomatic flu/strep/RSV testing isn’t a thing. It’s time we treat covid the same way.

Actually, our pediatrician tests both kids if one pops positive for strep. She’s caught it in the asymptomatic sibling multiple times.

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Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

And when it's not a sh*t show, are you going to come back and post about it? Or will you still be whining about the one anecdote you dug up on Twitter?

I don't use Twitter, so no, I will not be posting anything about them. It WILL be a show at least in the fall. Number are up and we are in high transmission. Even the military base is going to full masking now when they only had masking at the hospitals.

We'll see. Cases are down 18% from their high three weeks ago in MoCo. We're definitely trending toward being out of high transmission by the time school starts. I'm sure your response (or the outcome you'll be rooting for) is that school will drive the numbers back up because you believe there's a connection between the two.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

And when it's not a sh*t show, are you going to come back and post about it? Or will you still be whining about the one anecdote you dug up on Twitter?

I don't use Twitter, so no, I will not be posting anything about them. It WILL be a show at least in the fall. Number are up and we are in high transmission. Even the military base is going to full masking now when they only had masking at the hospitals.

I’m betting by the time school actually starts, cases will be way down again. It’s all part of the cycle. And then no doubt there will be yet another variant later in the fall and go back up again.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!

Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

No one is being disingenuous re masks. They work fool. Let's not pretend.

They help, stop with the name calling.

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Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.

Its not a cold. Grow up already.

It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.

I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.

You were fortunate, not my experience at all.

I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.

I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.

I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.

From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…

What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.

There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.

Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.

You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.

Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.

We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.

Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.

I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.

If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.

No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...

This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.

And when it's not a sh*t show, are you going to come back and post about it? Or will you still be whining about the one anecdote you dug up on Twitter?

I don't use Twitter, so no, I will not be posting anything about them. It WILL be a show at least in the fall. Number are up and we are in high transmission. Even the military base is going to full masking now when they only had masking at the hospitals.