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Your understanding of Ivy League admission is fundamentally wrong. Ivies are not particularly interested in "well rounded" applicants. They are looking at kids with big spikes. They are also looking at kids with hooks (URM, donor, legacy). Just being a straight A student without big spikes or hooks is not enough. If you understand this, you will be better equipped in selecting high schools for your kid(s).

You are not going to find a big spike without money. The niche sport that only a wealthy family can pursue, the founding of a not-for-profit company to serve a community, traveling abroad every year to master a foreign language, etc...

In addition, connections and money tend to help in securing an impressive internships at the high school level and attending the university's summer enrichment program for high school students.

True.

Middle class / FGLI kids can compete in math Olympia, physics bowl, etc. Those are consider big spikes as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Spence and Chapin are near identical in academic offerings. Sacred Heart is also great!

Brearley is really the one that is a step above.

Yeah.

Sacred Heart matriculation is 3T, 2T at most.

Chapin matriculation is 2T. Still better than Sacred Heart.

Dalton, Brearley matriculation, 1T.

Second this. Chapin has definitely slipped. A solid 2T.

Chapin is 1T. They sent about 17 or so kids out of 60 to ivies this year. That’s 28%. This year their matriculation was amazing, as usual. They have never had 100 kids in their graduating classes. So much misinformation on here.

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Your understanding of Ivy League admission is fundamentally wrong. Ivies are not particularly interested in "well rounded" applicants. They are looking at kids with big spikes. They are also looking at kids with hooks (URM, donor, legacy). Just being a straight A student without big spikes or hooks is not enough. If you understand this, you will be better equipped in selecting high schools for your kid(s).

You are not going to find a big spike without money. The niche sport that only a wealthy family can pursue, the founding of a not-for-profit company to serve a community, traveling abroad every year to master a foreign language, etc...

In addition, connections and money tend to help in securing an impressive internships at the high school level and attending the university's summer enrichment program for high school students.

It used to be that parent status/connection mattered much more than it does now. But you have to also consider the number of kids who come in from Prep for Prep and other organizations - the best of the best in terms of academics, diversity, extracurriculars, community involvement, and all of the other things that top colleges are looking for. Many first-generation college students as well. These kids usually rise to the tops of the classes, along with a handful of the "lifers."

You also have to consider, at larger schools, the number of kids who gain acceptance on athletic scholarships - sometimes, the full ride is to the best X (insert sport) school, not to the Ivy League.

There are lots of factors that go into those matriculation rates.

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Why do people believe this? Why is it that everyone who says things has no affiliation with these schools?

I’m not trying to be argumentative, but this is such nonsense. All it does is undermine the quality of the education and the abilities and talents of ambitious and hard-working kids. Stop doing this. We just did well at school and pursued the things we loved uncynically.

The unfairness usually comes in the amount of resources that goes into developing a TT private school student as it takes a lot of resources to make a well rounded student (from tutoring, extracurricular activities, traveling/cultural events, sports, etc...).

Your understanding of Ivy League admission is fundamentally wrong. Ivies are not particularly interested in "well rounded" applicants. They are looking at kids with big spikes. They are also looking at kids with hooks (URM, donor, legacy). Just being a straight A student without big spikes or hooks is not enough. If you understand this, you will be better equipped in selecting high schools for your kid(s).

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Why do people believe this? Why is it that everyone who says things has no affiliation with these schools?

I’m not trying to be argumentative, but this is such nonsense. All it does is undermine the quality of the education and the abilities and talents of ambitious and hard-working kids. Stop doing this. We just did well at school and pursued the things we loved uncynically.

I am not affiliated with the schools, but have been doing my due diligence to see if it is worth it.

From what I see, TT schools are the private school version of specialized public schools. As the students moves up in grade, the academics ramps up and there is a heavy workload. The kids who thrive at this type of schools tend to be similiar to specialized public high schools in having both the aptitude and desire. The unfairness usually comes in the amount of resources that goes into developing a TT private school student as it takes a lot of resources to make a well rounded student (from tutoring, extracurricular activities, traveling/cultural events, sports, etc...).

Usually the trust fund kid who doesn't want the heavy workload and is fine with being admitted to a T20 university tends to be at the T2/T3 private school.

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Anonymous wrote:Spence and Chapin are near identical in academic offerings. Sacred Heart is also great!

Brearley is really the one that is a step above.

Yeah.

Sacred Heart matriculation is 3T, 2T at most.

Chapin matriculation is 2T. Still better than Sacred Heart.

Dalton, Brearley matriculation, 1T.

Second this. Chapin has definitely slipped. A solid 2T.

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Anonymous wrote:Spence and Chapin are near identical in academic offerings. Sacred Heart is also great!

Brearley is really the one that is a step above.

Did you see the Spence college admissions account above? I don't think it's possible for a school to get better than that...

I think most of these kids have big connections. Seems like the students who get in to ivy from TT private are the connected ones

Majority have connections.

The small number admitted at 9th grade do not matriculate at ivies

Why do people believe this? Why is it that everyone who says things has no affiliation with these schools?

I’m not trying to be argumentative, but this is such nonsense. All it does is undermine the quality of the education and the abilities and talents of ambitious and hard-working kids. Stop doing this. We just did well at school and pursued the things we loved uncynically.

Dalton Ivy+ matriculation for ‘24 (i’m not going to post the page since it’s minors in a lot of cases and it’s weird making that public):

Yale: 5
Penn: 1
Harvard: 7
Brown: 5
Columbia: 2
Princeton: 6
MIT: 2
UChi: 5
Cornell: 4
Stanford: 2
Dartmouth: 1

Dalton is a strong school. Their matriculation data “benefits” significantly from parents status of donors and legacy. The key is to apply ED to donee or legacy ivies

Brother and sister went to dalton. Brother’s kid starting dalton next year. There are legacy kids - obviously my nephew is one. The VAST majority are not. Do you have kids/go there?

Reading comprehensive?

PP was talking about legacy status of ivies, not legacy of Dalton.

My kid didn't go to Dalton, but another TT. Yes, there are donors (to ivies) who help kids to get in ivies. Legacy kids are everywhere.

Here’s what I wrote before about our respective experiences. We were absolute not the progeny of an elite family, nor were the vast majority of the kids who ended up at top schools. I’m still involved with my Alma mater, and I see year x year how it’s improving.

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I’m a trinity alum. My brother went to Collegiate until high school, then to Dalton, and my sister went to Dalton, too. With respect, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Everything you said is patently untrue for the vast majority of our student bodies. Do you or your family actually have affiliation with any of these schools?

My family certainly did not have a lot of money - i got 58k financial aid (we only paid between 1-4k per year), without which i wouldn’t have been able to attend. My sister got 45k. My brother left collegiate for dalton after they offered a much more generous financial aid package. This was true across the board for our schools.

Once you’re admitted - obviously after being selected from an enormous pool of applicants through a grueling admissions process - the schools want you to go there. Not for cynical reasons like yield, etc. (ok, sometimes cynical), but because they genuinely believe you’ll make a positive contribution to the school and your classmates. Their admissions teams aren’t greenhorns; they’re seasoned experts. They know how to shape a diverse class of productive, intelligent students. So, since they spend all that time literally sending admissions officers to observe you in your preschool class, they try to ensure that you’ll be able to attend.

They provide a great community and support system once you’re in, and they do everything in their power to help you get into a good school upon graduation. Why wouldn’t they? They benefit as much as the students from admissions statistics. But it’s more than that, too. Their resources allow for tremendous individual. But they also truly care about you. I’m still in touch with my favorite teachers, as are my siblings.

The schools we went to provided unbelievable guidance through the college application process. Each of us wound up at top unis (not humble bragging, just trying to make a point). They helped us recognize, then shore up, the weaknesses in our applications. They gave us advice, direction, and opportunities IN AND OUTSIDE of school to pursue ECs that interested us and added to our CV. They even offered tutoring to help us This was true for my classmates, as well. Rich kids aren’t the only people who can afford to ‘package’ an application, whatever that means.

Finally, the TRULY rich kids - they don’t actually need these schools. We’re not talking run-of-the-mill rich here. These are NYC-public-library-donor-wing rich. And there’s only a handful of them. They’re going to go to one of those schools regardless of how they package themselves. Why? Because they’ll probably live freshman year in a dorm that dons their family name. Which is fine. That’s just the way these things work.

What you’re saying is just a common misconception based on some weird, superficial assumptions. Really, we were just hard-working, ambitious students with strong passions we chose pursue because we loved them, and our school helped us in every way they could. TT schools aren’t’ for everyone, but it’s absurd to simply say rich kids rabble rabble rabble without acknowledging the other 90% of the student body, who also manage somehow, without hundreds of millions of dollars of family money, to get into top colleges, as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Spence and Chapin are near identical in academic offerings. Sacred Heart is also great!

Brearley is really the one that is a step above.

Did you see the Spence college admissions account above? I don't think it's possible for a school to get better than that...

I think most of these kids have big connections. Seems like the students who get in to ivy from TT private are the connected ones

Majority have connections.

The small number admitted at 9th grade do not matriculate at ivies

Why do people believe this? Why is it that everyone who says things has no affiliation with these schools?

I’m not trying to be argumentative, but this is such nonsense. All it does is undermine the quality of the education and the abilities and talents of ambitious and hard-working kids. Stop doing this. We just did well at school and pursued the things we loved uncynically.

Dalton Ivy+ matriculation for ‘24 (i’m not going to post the page since it’s minors in a lot of cases and it’s weird making that public):

Yale: 5
Penn: 1
Harvard: 7
Brown: 5
Columbia: 2
Princeton: 6
MIT: 2
UChi: 5
Cornell: 4
Stanford: 2
Dartmouth: 1

Dalton is a strong school. Their matriculation data “benefits” significantly from parents status of donors and legacy. The key is to apply ED to donee or legacy ivies

Brother and sister went to dalton. Brother’s kid starting dalton next year. There are legacy kids - obviously my nephew is one. The VAST majority are not. Do you have kids/go there?

Reading comprehensive?

PP was talking about legacy status of ivies, not legacy of Dalton.

My kid didn't go to Dalton, but another TT. Yes, there are donors (to ivies) who help kids to get in ivies. Legacy kids are everywhere.

Yes, I understand that. My point is I don’t believe they have any affiliation with dalton, and they don’t know what they’re talking about. You don’t have to go ad hominem. I posted about this before - it’s really annoying when people constantly make such silly assumptions.

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Anonymous wrote:Spence and Chapin are near identical in academic offerings. Sacred Heart is also great!

Brearley is really the one that is a step above.

Did you see the Spence college admissions account above? I don't think it's possible for a school to get better than that...

I think most of these kids have big connections. Seems like the students who get in to ivy from TT private are the connected ones

Majority have connections.

The small number admitted at 9th grade do not matriculate at ivies

Why do people believe this? Why is it that everyone who says things has no affiliation with these schools?

I’m not trying to be argumentative, but this is such nonsense. All it does is undermine the quality of the education and the abilities and talents of ambitious and hard-working kids. Stop doing this. We just did well at school and pursued the things we loved uncynically.

Dalton Ivy+ matriculation for ‘24 (i’m not going to post the page since it’s minors in a lot of cases and it’s weird making that public):

Yale: 5
Penn: 1
Harvard: 7
Brown: 5
Columbia: 2
Princeton: 6
MIT: 2
UChi: 5
Cornell: 4
Stanford: 2
Dartmouth: 1

Dalton is a strong school. Their matriculation data “benefits” significantly from parents status of donors and legacy. The key is to apply ED to donee or legacy ivies

Brother and sister went to dalton. Brother’s kid starting dalton next year. There are legacy kids - obviously my nephew is one. The VAST majority are not. Do you have kids/go there?

Reading comprehensive?

PP was talking about legacy status of ivies, not legacy of Dalton.

My kid didn't go to Dalton, but another TT. Yes, there are donors (to ivies) who help kids to get in ivies. Legacy kids are everywhere.

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Majority have connections.

The small number admitted at 9th grade do not matriculate at ivies

I highly doubt the valedictorian and/or salutatorian of a competitive K-8 school is not on track for ivies.

💯 kids admitted at 6th and 9th are very accomplished and some are just as connected as some of the kindergarten crew.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:Spence and Chapin are near identical in academic offerings. Sacred Heart is also great!

Brearley is really the one that is a step above.

Did you see the Spence college admissions account above? I don't think it's possible for a school to get better than that...

I think most of these kids have big connections. Seems like the students who get in to ivy from TT private are the connected ones

Majority have connections.

The small number admitted at 9th grade do not matriculate at ivies

Why do people believe this? Why is it that everyone who says things has no affiliation with these schools?

I’m not trying to be argumentative, but this is such nonsense. All it does is undermine the quality of the education and the abilities and talents of ambitious and hard-working kids. Stop doing this. We just did well at school and pursued the things we loved uncynically.

Dalton Ivy+ matriculation for ‘24 (i’m not going to post the page since it’s minors in a lot of cases and it’s weird making that public):

Yale: 5
Penn: 1
Harvard: 7
Brown: 5
Columbia: 2
Princeton: 6
MIT: 2
UChi: 5
Cornell: 4
Stanford: 2
Dartmouth: 1

Dalton is a strong school. Their matriculation data “benefits” significantly from parents status of donors and legacy. The key is to apply ED to donee or legacy ivies

Brother and sister went to dalton. Brother’s kid starting dalton next year. There are legacy kids - obviously my nephew is one. The VAST majority are not. Do you have kids/go there?

*have kids/go there yourself

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Anonymous wrote:Spence and Chapin are near identical in academic offerings. Sacred Heart is also great!

Brearley is really the one that is a step above.

Did you see the Spence college admissions account above? I don't think it's possible for a school to get better than that...

I think most of these kids have big connections. Seems like the students who get in to ivy from TT private are the connected ones

Majority have connections.

The small number admitted at 9th grade do not matriculate at ivies

Why do people believe this? Why is it that everyone who says things has no affiliation with these schools?

I’m not trying to be argumentative, but this is such nonsense. All it does is undermine the quality of the education and the abilities and talents of ambitious and hard-working kids. Stop doing this. We just did well at school and pursued the things we loved uncynically.

Dalton Ivy+ matriculation for ‘24 (i’m not going to post the page since it’s minors in a lot of cases and it’s weird making that public):

Yale: 5
Penn: 1
Harvard: 7
Brown: 5
Columbia: 2
Princeton: 6
MIT: 2
UChi: 5
Cornell: 4
Stanford: 2
Dartmouth: 1

Dalton is a strong school. Their matriculation data “benefits” significantly from parents status of donors and legacy. The key is to apply ED to donee or legacy ivies

Brother and sister went to dalton. Brother’s kid starting dalton next year. There are legacy kids - obviously my nephew is one. The VAST majority are not. Do you have kids/go there?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Spence and Chapin are near identical in academic offerings. Sacred Heart is also great!

Brearley is really the one that is a step above.

Did you see the Spence college admissions account above? I don't think it's possible for a school to get better than that...

I think most of these kids have big connections. Seems like the students who get in to ivy from TT private are the connected ones

Majority have connections.

The small number admitted at 9th grade do not matriculate at ivies

Why do people believe this? Why is it that everyone who says things has no affiliation with these schools?

I’m not trying to be argumentative, but this is such nonsense. All it does is undermine the quality of the education and the abilities and talents of ambitious and hard-working kids. Stop doing this. We just did well at school and pursued the things we loved uncynically.

Dalton Ivy+ matriculation for ‘24 (i’m not going to post the page since it’s minors in a lot of cases and it’s weird making that public):

Yale: 5
Penn: 1
Harvard: 7
Brown: 5
Columbia: 2
Princeton: 6
MIT: 2
UChi: 5
Cornell: 4
Stanford: 2
Dartmouth: 1

Dalton is a strong school. Their matriculation data “benefits” significantly from parents status of donors and legacy. The key is to apply ED to donee or legacy ivies