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Anonymous wrote:Texas did not join the Big Ten because the Big Ten would not accept Oklahoma as Oklahoma is not an AAU member school. (That was the gossip discussed at that time.)

Why would the University of Florida move ????

If Florida leaves the SEC, then FSU will move to the SEC and get first choice on many top recruits.

The Big Ten and its broadcast partners want Notre Dame--even though it is not an AAU member school.

The Big Ten would accept Texas in a heartbeat.

Beyond Notre Dame and Texas, all other schools are speculation.

West Coast schools such as Stanford, Cal, Oregon, and Washington are being considered so that USC & UCLA can have regional playmates. Stanford is also attractive since it has a traditional rivalry with Notre Dame--and the Big Ten really, really, really wants Notre Dame.

Stanford is for the #5 media market. They are going to be asked plus maybe Cal. Then the BiG has NYC, LA, Chi, DC/Balt and SF/Oak. Checkmate for dollars.

Google search shows Dallas/Ft. Worth as the #5 media market, then San Francisco area at #6. Georgia Tech offers the Atlanta media market and an in-road to one of the top football recruiting states (Texas & Florida may be the top 2 football recruiting states. California should be among the top 5).

Interesting but Atlanta is 90 percent for UGA. That market is not big enough to be split .

As long as cable packages and mandatory RSN are a thing, location is all that matters. Do you think the majority of NYC cares about Rutgers football? Even in DC, UMD gets terrible ratings. All that matters is forcing cable companies to carry the big 10 network. Once cable dies, the question is whether or not the outliers like UMD and Rutgers that don't really fit get jettisoned.

I have read several articles over the past few weeks which assert that the Big Ten is mostly interested in UNC, Virginia, and Georgia Tech from the ACC.

A report today stated that the University of Oregon has again approached the Big Ten asking if Oregon would be "compatible".

Articles & blogs suggest that the Pac 12 is in a state of confusion. Almost as if the Pac 12 is waiting to see which schools will be the next to leave the conference. This is sad, but the SEC & Big Ten need to expand in order to get rid of NCAA oversight (and trade it for oversight by the broadcast media networks).

My preference would be for Stanford, Washington, and Oregon to join the Big Ten along with Notre Dame.

Georgia Tech makes sense due to Atlanta media market & as an entrance by the Big Ten into more fertile recruiting grounds.

UNC has serious connections to the Big Ten (not sure, but I believe that the former Big Ten Commissioner Jim Phillips is now the athletic director at UNC).

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Anonymous wrote:BC is not a Big Ten school on any metric.

The likely expansion targets (In no order other than ND):

Notre Dame
U-Washington
U-Colorado
Stanford
U-Oregon
UVA
UNC
UFlorida

BC would bring the Big Ten show to the middle of the entire New England region and that is the media strategy. Same as Stanford in San Fran NorCal.

Texas will flip to the Big Ten

Washington brings Pacific NW and borders highly populated areas of Canada will be invited.

Florida will be a later add. Florida is too snooty for the SEC and brings value for member schools.

Colorado brings the mountain west with no in state competition.

Unc and Uva and Oregon are not valuable enough.

I am the person you are replying to.

BC has a relatively tiny alumni base, and other than the Fluti bump, has a mediocre football program. I get it from an eyeballs standpoint, but it really isn't a peer of B1G schools.
Texas is tied to Oklahoma. Oklahoma is not happening in the Big10

Wash bring Seattle
Oregon brings Portland
Colorado bring Denver
UNC brings the research triangle.
UVA bookends the DC Metro plus adds Hampton/Norfolk etc.

Uva is out. The DC / Balt media market isn’t worth splitting plus the larger alumni more football oriented VT throws a logistical and political wrench in it. Lowers payout to each school.

Unc is out.. NC state has far more alumni and the same political / logistical market splitting handicap. Lowers payout to each member school.

Oregon gets knocked out by Washington which will be in

Colorado might get in being dominant in its state and pulling in the mountain west region.

Oregon gets knocked out by Washington

Unc

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Anonymous wrote:The B1G offers the most money and academic prestige. They can pick whoever they want.

The Ivy League offers the most academic prestige. Beyond that, the association of academic prestige with athletic conference is a weak one. Stanford has more academic prestige than any school in the B1G but is currently a member of the Pac 10. Stanford's prestige will not change no matter where it lands or stays. The same will be true for Duke, Vanderbilt, and other schools. Likewise, it will not make any difference for a school like Texas. They will decide based on what makes the most sense for them from an athletics standpoint.

If the B1G offers more money than the SEC, it is only a point in time view and not a longer term projection as contract renegotiations take place.

https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/navigate-big-ten-sec-payouts-power-five.html

Furthermore, the B1G has tried to pick Notre Dame for years. Notre Dame has not picked them back to date.

I am a different poster than the one you quoted. I think that you are both right regarding academic prestige.

The Ivy League offers more academic prestige for undergraduate study, while the Big Ten universities are research powerhouses.

The Ivy League has more undergraduate prestige, but also graduate program prestige in general. There are some B1G schools that have some graduate programs that are at the level of the Ivy League, but that is not the rule. Yale and Harvard will be more prestigious in Law than any B1G school, etc.

The Ivy League schools with large medical systems tend to also be research powerhouses (Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Penn, Cornell) as well. Princeton is great in everything it does, but it doesn't have a medical school, law school, or business school. Brown and Dartmouth are different types of schools, but still more prestigious overall at the undergraduate level than any B1G with the possible exception of Northwestern.

This is a ridiculous statement.

What are your data points?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The B1G offers the most money and academic prestige. They can pick whoever they want.

The Ivy League offers the most academic prestige. Beyond that, the association of academic prestige with athletic conference is a weak one. Stanford has more academic prestige than any school in the B1G but is currently a member of the Pac 10. Stanford's prestige will not change no matter where it lands or stays. The same will be true for Duke, Vanderbilt, and other schools. Likewise, it will not make any difference for a school like Texas. They will decide based on what makes the most sense for them from an athletics standpoint.

If the B1G offers more money than the SEC, it is only a point in time view and not a longer term projection as contract renegotiations take place.

https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/navigate-big-ten-sec-payouts-power-five.html

Furthermore, the B1G has tried to pick Notre Dame for years. Notre Dame has not picked them back to date.

I am a different poster than the one you quoted. I think that you are both right regarding academic prestige.

The Ivy League offers more academic prestige for undergraduate study, while the Big Ten universities are research powerhouses.

The Ivy League has more undergraduate prestige, but also graduate program prestige in general. There are some B1G schools that have some graduate programs that are at the level of the Ivy League, but that is not the rule. Yale and Harvard will be more prestigious in Law than any B1G school, etc.

The Ivy League schools with large medical systems tend to also be research powerhouses (Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Penn, Cornell) as well. Princeton is great in everything it does, but it doesn't have a medical school, law school, or business school. Brown and Dartmouth are different types of schools, but still more prestigious overall at the undergraduate level than any B1G with the possible exception of Northwestern.

This is a ridiculous statement.

+1 Agree.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The B1G offers the most money and academic prestige. They can pick whoever they want.

The Ivy League offers the most academic prestige. Beyond that, the association of academic prestige with athletic conference is a weak one. Stanford has more academic prestige than any school in the B1G but is currently a member of the Pac 10. Stanford's prestige will not change no matter where it lands or stays. The same will be true for Duke, Vanderbilt, and other schools. Likewise, it will not make any difference for a school like Texas. They will decide based on what makes the most sense for them from an athletics standpoint.

If the B1G offers more money than the SEC, it is only a point in time view and not a longer term projection as contract renegotiations take place.

https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/navigate-big-ten-sec-payouts-power-five.html

Furthermore, the B1G has tried to pick Notre Dame for years. Notre Dame has not picked them back to date.

I am a different poster than the one you quoted. I think that you are both right regarding academic prestige.

The Ivy League offers more academic prestige for undergraduate study, while the Big Ten universities are research powerhouses.

The Ivy League has more undergraduate prestige, but also graduate program prestige in general. There are some B1G schools that have some graduate programs that are at the level of the Ivy League, but that is not the rule. Yale and Harvard will be more prestigious in Law than any B1G school, etc.

The Ivy League schools with large medical systems tend to also be research powerhouses (Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Penn, Cornell) as well. Princeton is great in everything it does, but it doesn't have a medical school, law school, or business school. Brown and Dartmouth are different types of schools, but still more prestigious overall at the undergraduate level than any B1G with the possible exception of Northwestern.

This is a ridiculous statement.

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Anonymous wrote:BC is not a Big Ten school on any metric.

The likely expansion targets (In no order other than ND):

Notre Dame
U-Washington
U-Colorado
Stanford
U-Oregon
UVA
UNC
UFlorida

BC would bring the Big Ten show to the middle of the entire New England region and that is the media strategy. Same as Stanford in San Fran NorCal.

Texas will flip to the Big Ten

Washington brings Pacific NW and borders highly populated areas of Canada will be invited.

Florida will be a later add. Florida is too snooty for the SEC and brings value for member schools.

Colorado brings the mountain west with no in state competition.

Unc and Uva and Oregon are not valuable enough.

I am the person you are replying to.

BC has a relatively tiny alumni base, and other than the Fluti bump, has a mediocre football program. I get it from an eyeballs standpoint, but it really isn't a peer of B1G schools.
Texas is tied to Oklahoma. Oklahoma is not happening in the Big10

Wash bring Seattle
Oregon brings Portland
Colorado bring Denver
UNC brings the research triangle.
UVA bookends the DC Metro plus adds Hampton/Norfolk etc.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BC is not a Big Ten school on any metric.

The likely expansion targets (In no order other than ND):

Notre Dame
U-Washington
U-Colorado
Stanford
U-Oregon
UVA
UNC
UFlorida

Great list !

However, I do not understand why the University of Florida would leave the SEC. Eventually the SEC will renegotiate the broadcast rights and pay schools in line with the Big Ten so I doubt that money would be the reason. Can anyone help me to understand why Florida is a reasonable Big Ten target ?

Not a great list. BC brings NE tv coverage for all schools. UVA is not leaving with Tech left somewhere lesser. State political issue; not really up to the schools. Same is true for UNC and Florida. They will not leave SEC as State will get in. Wa, Or, and Co fit but they bring nothing.

The University of Washington would bring the Seattle broadcast media market and would add academic research prestige to the Big Ten. The University of Washington at Seattle has the 5th highest R&D expenditures among all US universities (Johns Hopkins, Michigan, UC-SF medical, U Penn, University of Washington at Seattle)

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the Univ. of Miami ?

Vanderbilt ?

States probably would accept splitting up the two main schools between the SEC and the Big Ten.

Wishful thinking would bring the Univ. of Texas to the Big Ten while Texas A&M remains in the SEC. Actually, if Texas has paired with Texas A&M rather than with Oklahoma, The two Texas schools probably would have been welcomed with open arms to the Big Ten.

Univ. of Florida & FSU.

Texas A&M went to the SEC and left the Big 12 as a big "screw you" to UT. I don't think they are going to be joined at the hip. Texas athletics is very business driven. They have had the largest athletics budget in the country for a number of years and have won the Directors Cup for highest overall success in NCAA athletics for the past two years. If they saw the B1G as making more business sense, I'm sure they would have explored it.

I thought that there was an informal discussion initiated by Texas, but the Big Ten indicated (informally) that Oklahoma was not a fit. Texas & Oklahoma were a package deal. If I recall correctly, this was revealed after Texas & Oklahoma announced that they were joining the Big Ten.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the Univ. of Miami ?

Vanderbilt ?

States probably would accept splitting up the two main schools between the SEC and the Big Ten.

Wishful thinking would bring the Univ. of Texas to the Big Ten while Texas A&M remains in the SEC. Actually, if Texas has paired with Texas A&M rather than with Oklahoma, The two Texas schools probably would have been welcomed with open arms to the Big Ten.

Univ. of Florida & FSU.

Texas A&M went to the SEC and left the Big 12 as a big "screw you" to UT. I don't think they are going to be joined at the hip. Texas athletics is very business driven. They have had the largest athletics budget in the country for a number of years and have won the Directors Cup for highest overall success in NCAA athletics for the past two years. If they saw the B1G as making more business sense, I'm sure they would have explored it.

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Anonymous wrote:The B1G offers the most money and academic prestige. They can pick whoever they want.

The Ivy League offers the most academic prestige. Beyond that, the association of academic prestige with athletic conference is a weak one. Stanford has more academic prestige than any school in the B1G but is currently a member of the Pac 10. Stanford's prestige will not change no matter where it lands or stays. The same will be true for Duke, Vanderbilt, and other schools. Likewise, it will not make any difference for a school like Texas. They will decide based on what makes the most sense for them from an athletics standpoint.

If the B1G offers more money than the SEC, it is only a point in time view and not a longer term projection as contract renegotiations take place.

https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/navigate-big-ten-sec-payouts-power-five.html

Furthermore, the B1G has tried to pick Notre Dame for years. Notre Dame has not picked them back to date.

I am a different poster than the one you quoted. I think that you are both right regarding academic prestige.

The Ivy League offers more academic prestige for undergraduate study, while the Big Ten universities are research powerhouses.

The Ivy League has more undergraduate prestige, but also graduate program prestige in general. There are some B1G schools that have some graduate programs that are at the level of the Ivy League, but that is not the rule. Yale and Harvard will be more prestigious in Law than any B1G school, etc.

The Ivy League schools with large medical systems tend to also be research powerhouses (Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Penn, Cornell) as well. Princeton is great in everything it does, but it doesn't have a medical school, law school, or business school. Brown and Dartmouth are different types of schools, but still more prestigious overall at the undergraduate level than any B1G with the possible exception of Northwestern.

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Anonymous wrote:The B1G offers the most money and academic prestige. They can pick whoever they want.

The Ivy League offers the most academic prestige. Beyond that, the association of academic prestige with athletic conference is a weak one. Stanford has more academic prestige than any school in the B1G but is currently a member of the Pac 10. Stanford's prestige will not change no matter where it lands or stays. The same will be true for Duke, Vanderbilt, and other schools. Likewise, it will not make any difference for a school like Texas. They will decide based on what makes the most sense for them from an athletics standpoint.

If the B1G offers more money than the SEC, it is only a point in time view and not a longer term projection as contract renegotiations take place.

https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/navigate-big-ten-sec-payouts-power-five.html

Furthermore, the B1G has tried to pick Notre Dame for years. Notre Dame has not picked them back to date.

+1

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BC is not a Big Ten school on any metric.

The likely expansion targets (In no order other than ND):

Notre Dame
U-Washington
U-Colorado
Stanford
U-Oregon
UVA
UNC
UFlorida

Great list !

However, I do not understand why the University of Florida would leave the SEC. Eventually the SEC will renegotiate the broadcast rights and pay schools in line with the Big Ten so I doubt that money would be the reason. Can anyone help me to understand why Florida is a reasonable Big Ten target ?

Not a great list. BC brings NE tv coverage for all schools. UVA is not leaving with Tech left somewhere lesser. State political issue; not really up to the schools. Same is true for UNC and Florida. They will not leave SEC as State will get in. Wa, Or, and Co fit but they bring nothing.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The B1G offers the most money and academic prestige. They can pick whoever they want.

The Ivy League offers the most academic prestige. Beyond that, the association of academic prestige with athletic conference is a weak one. Stanford has more academic prestige than any school in the B1G but is currently a member of the Pac 10. Stanford's prestige will not change no matter where it lands or stays. The same will be true for Duke, Vanderbilt, and other schools. Likewise, it will not make any difference for a school like Texas. They will decide based on what makes the most sense for them from an athletics standpoint.

If the B1G offers more money than the SEC, it is only a point in time view and not a longer term projection as contract renegotiations take place.

https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/navigate-big-ten-sec-payouts-power-five.html

Furthermore, the B1G has tried to pick Notre Dame for years. Notre Dame has not picked them back to date.

I am a different poster than the one you quoted. I think that you are both right regarding academic prestige.

The Ivy League offers more academic prestige for undergraduate study, while the Big Ten universities are research powerhouses.

Anonymous wrote:The B1G offers the most money and academic prestige. They can pick whoever they want.

The Ivy League offers the most academic prestige. Beyond that, the association of academic prestige with athletic conference is a weak one. Stanford has more academic prestige than any school in the B1G but is currently a member of the Pac 10. Stanford's prestige will not change no matter where it lands or stays. The same will be true for Duke, Vanderbilt, and other schools. Likewise, it will not make any difference for a school like Texas. They will decide based on what makes the most sense for them from an athletics standpoint.

If the B1G offers more money than the SEC, it is only a point in time view and not a longer term projection as contract renegotiations take place.

https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/navigate-big-ten-sec-payouts-power-five.html

Furthermore, the B1G has tried to pick Notre Dame for years. Notre Dame has not picked them back to date.