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Anonymous wrote:My gosh! No wonder cheating is so rampant at TJ when you have parents cheating the system to get their kids in.

Or, conversely, the system cheating the kids who most deserve admission to meet its soft race and income-based diversity quotas. Let's not forget one federal judge held the School Board violated the Constitution. All these parents may have done was take advantage of a loophole.

Two federal appellate judges disagreed. The students lied on a question they thought would never be verified and now all their supporters are up in arms because TJ is rescinding admission to unethical cheaters. They are lucky that TJ is doing it now and not formally expelling them a week into the school year.

No judges have disagreed.

That's true, but PP doesn't understand the difference between a procedural motion and an appellate review on the merits (which is still pending). PP could educate themselves, but the temptation to give in to the obvious hatred of some TJ families on PP's part is just too great.

So the judge who wrote the concurrence didn't mean what they wrote? Maybe you should look at how often appellate judges change their minds after having gone through the trouble of already writing an opinion

It would not have been fully briefed at the time the procedural motion relating to the stay of the District Court opinion was decided. In any event, it will be appealed and quite possibly end up before the Supreme Court.

The issue was already briefed before the lower court. There is no new evidence or testimony on an appeal. If you expect a different result, you will be disappointed.

There are always further briefs to an appellate court, since the issue is not simply the evidence or testimony but also the district court's analysis.

And if you expect an adverse ruling not to generate further appeals you will be equally disappointed.

Most want to see admissions based on STEM interest and aptitude, not demographics.

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I agree, but it will certainly be amusing seeing how many of the 33% FARMS admissions numbers were cheaters. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of kids admitted from Carson and Longfellow were only admitted due to the 90 extra points, and will lose admission offers if and when they verify FARMS eligibility. I also wouldn't be surprised to see the final FARMS numbers in the 5-10% range.

Yes this will be interesting, but it wouldn't surprise me if the FARMS number stayed the same. 90 points is pretty substantial, worth more than double the GPA. It wouldn't surprise me if the remaining 2000 applications had another 100 actual FARMS kids who could get in.

Also to note will be any change in the racial mix from what has been announced for the class of 2026. I can foresee DCUM losing it and Jeff working overtime to lock threads.

I think the only people worried about “race” are people from a handful of feeder MSs.

Most people want to see more geographic and economic diversity - regardless of race.

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Anonymous wrote:No verification was done for 2025 so who knows if the class of 2025 really has that percentage of FARMS

Kids weren’t in school to receive free meals in fall of 2021 so no cheaters then.

Incorrect. Some applicants were in school in fall of 2021.

Which NoVA schools were in person in fall 2021?

Loudoun. Fairfax wasn't?

Ugh. Fall of 2020 when the class of 2025 was applying.

I don't remember the timing, but Loudoun was giving out meals even with schools closed.

But people had to go get them. Most families weren’t “currently receiving” them. It would be a much more blatant lie.

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I agree, but it will certainly be amusing seeing how many of the 33% FARMS admissions numbers were cheaters. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of kids admitted from Carson and Longfellow were only admitted due to the 90 extra points, and will lose admission offers if and when they verify FARMS eligibility. I also wouldn't be surprised to see the final FARMS numbers in the 5-10% range.

Yes this will be interesting, but it wouldn't surprise me if the FARMS number stayed the same. 90 points is pretty substantial, worth more than double the GPA. It wouldn't surprise me if the remaining 2000 applications had another 100 actual FARMS kids who could get in.

Also to note will be any change in the racial mix from what has been announced for the class of 2026. I can foresee DCUM losing it and Jeff working overtime to lock threads.

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Anonymous wrote:A little empathy and understanding on all sides would go a long way.

We could do a lot for our kids’ welfare if we stepped away from entrenched positions whether it is gun reform or weaponized equity. Unfortunately those that control the narrative - including on this board - see everything through their prejudiced political lens. And they cannot yield any space to the other side. Kids welfare be d@mned.

Empathy for people who lied about being poor in order to get an admissions advantage? Sorry, I prefer to laugh at them getting kicked out now

Sure - if Progressive prosecutors can give carjackers a second chance then perhaps we can do the same for even younger kids? Or does your equity algorithm only yields results for a certain kind of kid?

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I agree, but it will certainly be amusing seeing how many of the 33% FARMS admissions numbers were cheaters. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of kids admitted from Carson and Longfellow were only admitted due to the 90 extra points, and will lose admission offers if and when they verify FARMS eligibility. I also wouldn't be surprised to see the final FARMS numbers in the 5-10% range.

Yes this will be interesting, but it wouldn't surprise me if the FARMS number stayed the same. 90 points is pretty substantial, worth more than double the GPA. It wouldn't surprise me if the remaining 2000 applications had another 100 actual FARMS kids who could get in.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is TJ already delayed the final decision till late May and they didn’t bother to verify the free meal status all this time.

All those embarrassed cheaters who tried to lie their way into TJ and then bragged about admission? Are we supposed to feel bad for them?

Not really, but neither should one necessarily feel special respect for kids whose families rely on state or federal assistance for food and shelter.

I have a lot more respect for kids who manage to do well in school despite poverty than strivers who try to cheat

+100 A child who manages to qualify for TJ despite experiencing poverty and/or food insecurity, and certainly without discretionary income for enrichment/tutoring, is by definition going to have the grit to do more with the opportunity than a child who has been groomed for this application since 3rd grade.

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Anonymous wrote:No verification was done for 2025 so who knows if the class of 2025 really has that percentage of FARMS

Kids weren’t in school to receive free meals in fall of 2021 so no cheaters then.

Incorrect. Some applicants were in school in fall of 2021.

Which NoVA schools were in person in fall 2021?

Loudoun. Fairfax wasn't?

Ugh. Fall of 2020 when the class of 2025 was applying.

I don't remember the timing, but Loudoun was giving out meals even with schools closed.

Fairfax was giving out free meals in the fall of 2020. They did not collect names of who was picking up meals. You just had to show up. But the TJ application was in Feb/March last year, when many schools had started opening up.

Will the TJ Admissions office do the right thing and ask members of the class of 2025 the same thing they are asking the applicants for the class of 2026? Will they REALLY ask kids that just finished their freshman year to show that they properly claimed the experience factor of free meals to verify their income?

Anonymous wrote:A little empathy and understanding on all sides would go a long way.

We could do a lot for our kids’ welfare if we stepped away from entrenched positions whether it is gun reform or weaponized equity. Unfortunately those that control the narrative - including on this board - see everything through their prejudiced political lens. And they cannot yield any space to the other side. Kids welfare be d@mned.

Empathy for people who lied about being poor in order to get an admissions advantage? Sorry, I prefer to laugh at them getting kicked out now

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Anonymous wrote:No verification was done for 2025 so who knows if the class of 2025 really has that percentage of FARMS

Kids weren’t in school to receive free meals in fall of 2021 so no cheaters then.

Incorrect. Some applicants were in school in fall of 2021.

Which NoVA schools were in person in fall 2021?

Loudoun. Fairfax wasn't?

Ugh. Fall of 2020 when the class of 2025 was applying.

I don't remember the timing, but Loudoun was giving out meals even with schools closed.

A little empathy and understanding on all sides would go a long way.

We could do a lot for our kids’ welfare if we stepped away from entrenched positions whether it is gun reform or weaponized equity. Unfortunately those that control the narrative - including on this board - see everything through their prejudiced political lens. And they cannot yield any space to the other side. Kids welfare be d@mned.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is TJ already delayed the final decision till late May and they didn’t bother to verify the free meal status all this time.

All those embarrassed cheaters who tried to lie their way into TJ and then bragged about admission? Are we supposed to feel bad for them?

Not really, but neither should one necessarily feel special respect for kids whose families rely on state or federal assistance for food and shelter.

I have a lot more respect for kids who manage to do well in school despite poverty than strivers who try to cheat

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is TJ already delayed the final decision till late May and they didn’t bother to verify the free meal status all this time.

All those embarrassed cheaters who tried to lie their way into TJ and then bragged about admission? Are we supposed to feel bad for them?

Not really, but neither should one necessarily feel special respect for kids whose families rely on state or federal assistance for food and shelter.

I feel special respect for any kids from ED families who bust their ass to qualify for TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:My gosh! No wonder cheating is so rampant at TJ when you have parents cheating the system to get their kids in.

Or, conversely, the system cheating the kids who most deserve admission to meet its soft race and income-based diversity quotas. Let's not forget one federal judge held the School Board violated the Constitution. All these parents may have done was take advantage of a loophole.

Two federal appellate judges disagreed. The students lied on a question they thought would never be verified and now all their supporters are up in arms because TJ is rescinding admission to unethical cheaters. They are lucky that TJ is doing it now and not formally expelling them a week into the school year.

No judges have disagreed.

That's true, but PP doesn't understand the difference between a procedural motion and an appellate review on the merits (which is still pending). PP could educate themselves, but the temptation to give in to the obvious hatred of some TJ families on PP's part is just too great.

So the judge who wrote the concurrence didn't mean what they wrote? Maybe you should look at how often appellate judges change their minds after having gone through the trouble of already writing an opinion

It would not have been fully briefed at the time the procedural motion relating to the stay of the District Court opinion was decided. In any event, it will be appealed and quite possibly end up before the Supreme Court.

The issue was already briefed before the lower court. There is no new evidence or testimony on an appeal. If you expect a different result, you will be disappointed.