Anonymous
03/11/2022 22:16
Subject: TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am
Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf
I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.
Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?
Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?
If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.
Yes. Any logical person will come up with this plan to respond to the judge's order. But then SB will essentially admit that the changes for removing the test, middle school quota, experienced factors, etc were proxy for targeting racial groups.
They should drop the middle school quota, but keep the economically disadvantaged factor. And also possibly the special education experience factor.
The opposite. They should drop the economically disadvantaged factor and keep the middle school quota. There's more basis for the latter and less basis for the former.
Anonymous
03/11/2022 22:09
Subject: TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am
Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf
I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.
Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?
Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?
If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.
The “test” was problematic for a variety reasons.
It was not proctored
It did not test math.
It was not a validated test - the TJ admissions office created it specifically to increase racial balance.
It’s all they have. Either that or complete lottery.
There are plenty of nationally normed tests available. Pick one, administer it in April/May. Ranks kids according to the test and GPA and send decisions in June.
By April/May? Is that a joke?
They have the GPA and test results.
They sent decisions in June last year.
There was no test. It wasn’t even proctored.
I wonder who is so driven to go to TJ that they’d cheat on that test. Or falsely say they are low-income.
The admissions office wrote the questions such that if you were reading the PLAIN LANGUAGE, every single child should have said yes.
People with morals didn’t.
I totally disagree. I called the admissions office and asked for clarification. The staff member, a female, said that they were getting this question a lot and yes, it was fine to answer yes based on free meals for every student this year. I followed up with an email to get it in writing.
The admissions staff maybe wanted to have as many kids labeled “low income” as possible to make the press release for the class of 2026 look good? This is the only logical explanation.
Anonymous
03/11/2022 22:02
Subject: TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am
Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf
I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.
Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?
Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?
If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.
The “test” was problematic for a variety reasons.
It was not proctored
It did not test math.
It was not a validated test - the TJ admissions office created it specifically to increase racial balance.
It’s all they have. Either that or complete lottery.
There are plenty of nationally normed tests available. Pick one, administer it in April/May. Ranks kids according to the test and GPA and send decisions in June.
By April/May? Is that a joke?
They have the GPA and test results.
They sent decisions in June last year.
There was no test. It wasn’t even proctored.
I wonder who is so driven to go to TJ that they’d cheat on that test. Or falsely say they are low-income.
The admissions office wrote the questions such that if you were reading the PLAIN LANGUAGE, every single child should have said yes.
People with morals didn’t.
Anonymous
03/11/2022 21:59
Subject: TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am
Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf
I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.
Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?
Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?
If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.
The “test” was problematic for a variety reasons.
It was not proctored
It did not test math.
It was not a validated test - the TJ admissions office created it specifically to increase racial balance.
It’s all they have. Either that or complete lottery.
There are plenty of nationally normed tests available. Pick one, administer it in April/May. Ranks kids according to the test and GPA and send decisions in June.
By April/May? Is that a joke?
They have the GPA and test results.
They sent decisions in June last year.
There was no test. It wasn’t even proctored.
I wonder who is so driven to go to TJ that they’d cheat on that test. Or falsely say they are low-income.
The admissions office wrote the questions such that if you were reading the PLAIN LANGUAGE, every single child should have said yes.
Anonymous
03/11/2022 21:52
Subject: TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am
Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf
I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.
Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?
Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?
If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.
The “test” was problematic for a variety reasons.
It was not proctored
It did not test math.
It was not a validated test - the TJ admissions office created it specifically to increase racial balance.
It’s all they have. Either that or complete lottery.
There are plenty of nationally normed tests available. Pick one, administer it in April/May. Ranks kids according to the test and GPA and send decisions in June.
By April/May? Is that a joke?
They have the GPA and test results.
They sent decisions in June last year.
There was no test. It wasn’t even proctored.
I wonder who is so driven to go to TJ that they’d cheat on that test. Or falsely say they are low-income.
Anonymous
03/11/2022 21:50
Subject: TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am
Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf
I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.
Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?
Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?
If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.
The “test” was problematic for a variety reasons.
It was not proctored
It did not test math.
It was not a validated test - the TJ admissions office created it specifically to increase racial balance.
It’s all they have. Either that or complete lottery.
There are plenty of nationally normed tests available. Pick one, administer it in April/May. Ranks kids according to the test and GPA and send decisions in June.
By April/May? Is that a joke?
They have the GPA and test results.
They sent decisions in June last year.
There was no test. It wasn’t even proctored.
It was a huge mistake for TJ admissions to run the “test” virtually. They did not even require cameras on and there was rampant cheating.
They also used the exact same questions on the make-up day, so plenty of kids who were “sick” had essays polished (but not too polished mind you!) and ready to go ready to go.
Anonymous
03/11/2022 21:47
Subject: TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am
Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf
I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.
Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?
Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?
If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.
The “test” was problematic for a variety reasons.
It was not proctored
It did not test math.
It was not a validated test - the TJ admissions office created it specifically to increase racial balance.
It’s all they have. Either that or complete lottery.
There are plenty of nationally normed tests available. Pick one, administer it in April/May. Ranks kids according to the test and GPA and send decisions in June.
By April/May? Is that a joke?
They have the GPA and test results.
They sent decisions in June last year.
There was no test. It wasn’t even proctored.
Anonymous
03/11/2022 19:17
Subject: Re:TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026
Anonymous wrote:FCPS is playing the long game. They must feel very, very good about their chances on appeal.
It's a cluster F. The whole board will be replaced if they stall and delay TJ admissions.
Anonymous
03/11/2022 18:42
Subject: TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026
Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?
Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?
If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.
I agree. This sounds like a reasonable plan to process admissions this year. Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?
If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.
Anonymous
03/11/2022 18:29
Subject: Re:TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026
FCPS is playing the long game. They must feel very, very good about their chances on appeal.
Anonymous
03/11/2022 18:23
Subject: TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026
Anonymous wrote:How has FCPS not already been working on trying to come up with a new plan?
Because they don't want to admit they have designed and implemented a racist policy while spending millions.
Anonymous
03/11/2022 18:18
Subject: TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026
How has FCPS not already been working on trying to come up with a new plan?
Anonymous
03/11/2022 18:07
Subject: TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How quickly will the 4th circuit decide the appeal?
What a mess.
Is there even an appeal?
No appeal yet. FCPS is "considering" an appeal.
Anonymous
03/11/2022 18:06
Subject: Re:TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From the bench, the judge noted that the school board was put on notice six months ago and to be prepared for this outcome, and the “inconvenience” they’re facing now after ignoring that warning does not warrant a stay. He agreed with the Coalition for TJ that forcing children to undergo another year (or more, as this case will likely be appealed) of a discriminatory admissions policy is irreparable harm, that the school board is not likely to succeed on its appeal to the Fourth Circuit, and that a stay wouldn’t serve the public interest.
Well, yes. He would say all of those things.
There is relevant precedent to reference on both sides of this case. It’s up to each judge to essentially decide which precedent they want to follow, and at this point, judges are appointed based on their likelihood of referring to precedent that the appointee finds favorable. Whether or not the Fourth Circuit agrees is another matter entirely.
They would also be careful about issuing a decision that would be reversed on appeal. There is little doubt how SCOTUS would rule on the affirmative action cases. It's just a matter of a relatively short time before affirmative action will be ruled unconstitutional - as it should have been from day one since it clearly violates the 14th amendment and directly contradicts the civil rights act.
dp, Oh, there's plenty of doubt actually. Roberts has said what he's said about aa in the past, but that was then and this is now. He knows the history books will not be kind to Justices who vote against aa. The views of Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett on aa are unknown. Jump ball.
Anonymous
03/11/2022 18:06
Subject: TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did Asra seriously just try to invoke Brown v. Board of Ed in an attempt to KEEP TJ segregated to only whites and Asians?
I’m not sure what’s worse, the fact that she’s attempting to do that or that people are buying it.
It’s disgusting.
Her kid must be so embarrassed by her behavior.
He was when he was at TJ. Genuinely felt awful for him and so did everyone else.