Anonymous
01/26/2022 18:43
Subject: Re:Youngkin and his AG come out in favor of overturning Roe v Wade
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good gosh, the left are such alarmists. Overturning RvW just means putting it to the states to decide. Virginia would like a 20 week ban with exceptions. If that is too extreme for you, sorry, but you are in the minority on this. European countries have similar laws, and no one is up in arms on the issue there. While most people do not favor eliminating abortions, they do favor some restrictions. If you are in favor of third trimester abortions just because someone feels like it, I truly feel sorry for you.
You know what else Europe has? That's right - universal healthcare. So you can actually obtain birth control, prenatal care, maternity care, and even abortion through the national health care system.
And I think all of you folks will be singing a much different tune when the GOP starts coming for your birth control. Because that's next. If there's no Roe, there's also no Griswold.
What on earth are you going on about? This isn't even a discussion anyone is having. Birth control is readily available.
Oh my sweet summer child. I barely know where to start. Go read or read about Griswold v. Connecticut, the 1965 USSC case that recognized the right of married couples to freely obtain and use contraception. It's the same reasoning that was used in Roe. I am confident that once Roe is overturned a very conservative state will start legislating who has the right to contraception. The people that have been fighting to overturn Roe for the last 49 years are not just people who have a reasoned and sincerely held belief about when life begins.
We've already seen multiple efforts to limit access to contraception based on religious beliefs - Hobby Lobby case anyone? Remember when college student Sandra Fluke testified in Congress about contraception and was called a slut? That was in 2012, barely 10 years ago. Do you think those attitudes are not still prevalent today?
I think reproductive rights will be a slow burn issue - might take 15-20 years to really feel the effects and then the pendulum will swing on this again.
You think people will take away your contraception choices? In each case, you are conflating having other people pay for your contraception with people trying to take away contraceptive rights. Two completely and totally different things.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 15:09
Subject: Youngkin and his AG come out in favor of overturning Roe v Wade
Who in the world believed Youngkin wasn’t extreme? The press highlighted his anti-abortion comments and how he had to keep them on the down low. We all knew he was going to drop the mask mandate in schools (he said he would). Nobody should be surprised.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 14:33
Subject: Re:Youngkin and his AG come out in favor of overturning Roe v Wade
And more:
https://www.vogue.com/article/anti-birth-control-movement
Marty continued, explaining the groundwork Trump laid. “The reason this is no longer undercover is because of the Supreme Court decision in Hobby Lobby.” The Hobby Lobby verdict allowed employers to refuse to pay for birth control coverage for their employees due to religious reasons. The Trump administration, Marty says, “set the groundwork for the idea that doctors or pharmacists can decline to treat people because of religious beliefs. And now we have a Supreme Court that will rubber-stamp both those decisions.” The irony is that thrice-married adulterer Donald J. Trump, the man who used to be pro-choice, created this atmosphere.
https://www.vogue.com/article/anti-birth-control-movement
Marty continued, explaining the groundwork Trump laid. “The reason this is no longer undercover is because of the Supreme Court decision in Hobby Lobby.” The Hobby Lobby verdict allowed employers to refuse to pay for birth control coverage for their employees due to religious reasons. The Trump administration, Marty says, “set the groundwork for the idea that doctors or pharmacists can decline to treat people because of religious beliefs. And now we have a Supreme Court that will rubber-stamp both those decisions.” The irony is that thrice-married adulterer Donald J. Trump, the man who used to be pro-choice, created this atmosphere.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 14:29
Subject: Re:Youngkin and his AG come out in favor of overturning Roe v Wade
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
What on earth are you going on about? This isn't even a discussion anyone is having. Birth control is readily available.
You aren't paying attention.
Boy, exactly.
FROM THIS SUMMER:
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/fight-over-birth-control-looms-as-missouri-lawmakers-prepare-for-special-session/article_7073a044-a7b7-5bdb-8910-c50156afd22e.html
State lawmakers on Wednesday were preparing for an extraordinary legislative session next week that could determine whether low-income Missouri women continue to have access to certain birth control methods through Medicaid.
At issue is the renewal of the Federal Reimbursement Allowance, a tax on hospitals and other medical providers seen as critical to the state’s Medicaid program. Conservatives blocked renewal of the tax during the Legislature’s regular session, holding out for restrictions on contraceptives and bans on money flowing to abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood.
According to a draft provided Wednesday by staff for Senate appropriations chairman Sen. Dan Hegeman, R-Cosby, it appeared Republicans were moving forward with renewal of the tax — with bans on coverage for certain methods of birth control such as the Plan B pill and intrauterine devices, or IUDs. The draft does not address funding for Planned Parenthoo
Anonymous
01/26/2022 14:24
Subject: Youngkin and his AG come out in favor of overturning Roe v Wade
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Youngkin is a radical extremist because the whole modern GOP is radical extremists.
And voters mostly don’t know that because our media lies to average Americans— either lies of omission (NYT, WaPo) or lies of commission (Fox, WSJ, Wash Times, Sinclair, Facebook, Daily Wire, Daily Caller, DC Examiner, Epoch Times, OANN, Newsmax, Townhall, AM talk radio.)
If Youngkin said he wanted to overturn Roe, he’d have lost badly.
The GOP depends on lying to voters to win. And our national corporate media is complicit.
(Ps: leaving it up to the states means overturning Roe. And you can bet that Youngkin will do what his party wants and make it harder for VA women to get abortions.)
Radical. Anti-Democracy. Authoritarian.
And built on lies.
Your modern Republican Party.
You left out anarchist. They don't care how much they destroy. They really don't care one whit about unborn babies. It's just performance opposition to the liberal way. They would destroy any child but their own if it was in the way.
Yup. The GOP intentionally hides their extremist views while campaigning because they know they need to lie to get the votes. They would not be elected on actual policy - only lies and propaganda.
“When I’m governor and I have a majority in the House, we can start going on offense. But as a campaign topic, sadly, that in fact won’t win my independent votes that I have to get.”
I guess we didn’t need to wait long for the VA GOP “to go on the attack”.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 14:17
Subject: Re:Youngkin and his AG come out in favor of overturning Roe v Wade
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good gosh, the left are such alarmists. Overturning RvW just means putting it to the states to decide. Virginia would like a 20 week ban with exceptions. If that is too extreme for you, sorry, but you are in the minority on this. European countries have similar laws, and no one is up in arms on the issue there. While most people do not favor eliminating abortions, they do favor some restrictions. If you are in favor of third trimester abortions just because someone feels like it, I truly feel sorry for you.
You know what else Europe has? That's right - universal healthcare. So you can actually obtain birth control, prenatal care, maternity care, and even abortion through the national health care system.
And I think all of you folks will be singing a much different tune when the GOP starts coming for your birth control. Because that's next. If there's no Roe, there's also no Griswold.
What on earth are you going on about? This isn't even a discussion anyone is having. Birth control is readily available.
And 20 years ago, Roe v Wade was settled law. The alarmists have been right about everything. The right wing women haters are becoming more and more empowered. Stop snoozing on your rights!
+1
My DH laughed at me back in 2016 when I said I was concerned about women’s rights/RvW. He just thought it was settled and couldn’t imagine the GOP going after it. After seeing what the GOP has been doing over the past few years he completely agrees with me now.
2021 had a record # of anti-abortion laws.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/2021-pivotal-year-abortion-laws-america/story?id=81860784
For half a century, American women have had the right to choose to end a pregnancy at any point before a fetus is viable outside the womb. If 2021 saw that freedom start to crumble, 2022 could see it more widely wiped away.
A record number of states have enacted more than 100 stringent new restrictions on abortion access in the last year alone
A dozen states have so-called trigger laws set to ban all or nearly all abortions the moment the Supreme Court delivers a favorable decision. Ten more have similar laws that could quickly follow suit.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 14:14
Subject: Youngkin and his AG come out in favor of overturning Roe v Wade
Violence is wrong.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 14:12
Subject: Re:Youngkin and his AG come out in favor of overturning Roe v Wade
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good gosh, the left are such alarmists. Overturning RvW just means putting it to the states to decide. Virginia would like a 20 week ban with exceptions. If that is too extreme for you, sorry, but you are in the minority on this. European countries have similar laws, and no one is up in arms on the issue there. While most people do not favor eliminating abortions, they do favor some restrictions. If you are in favor of third trimester abortions just because someone feels like it, I truly feel sorry for you.
You know what else Europe has? That's right - universal healthcare. So you can actually obtain birth control, prenatal care, maternity care, and even abortion through the national health care system.
And I think all of you folks will be singing a much different tune when the GOP starts coming for your birth control. Because that's next. If there's no Roe, there's also no Griswold.
What on earth are you going on about? This isn't even a discussion anyone is having. Birth control is readily available.
Oh my sweet summer child. I barely know where to start. Go read or read about Griswold v. Connecticut, the 1965 USSC case that recognized the right of married couples to freely obtain and use contraception. It's the same reasoning that was used in Roe. I am confident that once Roe is overturned a very conservative state will start legislating who has the right to contraception. The people that have been fighting to overturn Roe for the last 49 years are not just people who have a reasoned and sincerely held belief about when life begins.
We've already seen multiple efforts to limit access to contraception based on religious beliefs - Hobby Lobby case anyone? Remember when college student Sandra Fluke testified in Congress about contraception and was called a slut? That was in 2012, barely 10 years ago. Do you think those attitudes are not still prevalent today?
I think reproductive rights will be a slow burn issue - might take 15-20 years to really feel the effects and then the pendulum will swing on this again.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 13:50
Subject: Youngkin and his AG come out in favor of overturning Roe v Wade
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Youngkin is a radical extremist because the whole modern GOP is radical extremists.
And voters mostly don’t know that because our media lies to average Americans— either lies of omission (NYT, WaPo) or lies of commission (Fox, WSJ, Wash Times, Sinclair, Facebook, Daily Wire, Daily Caller, DC Examiner, Epoch Times, OANN, Newsmax, Townhall, AM talk radio.)
If Youngkin said he wanted to overturn Roe, he’d have lost badly.
The GOP depends on lying to voters to win. And our national corporate media is complicit.
(Ps: leaving it up to the states means overturning Roe. And you can bet that Youngkin will do what his party wants and make it harder for VA women to get abortions.)
Radical. Anti-Democracy. Authoritarian.
And built on lies.
Your modern Republican Party.
You left out anarchist. They don't care how much they destroy. They really don't care one whit about unborn babies. It's just performance opposition to the liberal way. They would destroy any child but their own if it was in the way.
Oh give it a rest. Republicans are _____ blah, blah, blah. Democrats of course are none of that, never pose as moderates and then turn radically left once elected, are never radical, anti-democracy or authoritarian. Please. Your so full of hate and bitterness your entire argument can be dismissed as just rhetoric with no substance to it. Believe it or not, MOST voters by a VERY large margin do not place abortion rights in their top 10 reasons for voting; in fact, it came in 12 out of 12 in issues in 2020 according to Pew.
Enjoy your wire hangers!
Good gosh, the left are such alarmists. Overturning RvW just means putting it to the states to decide. Virginia would like a 20 week ban with exceptions. If that is too extreme for you, sorry, but you are in the minority on this. European countries have similar laws, and no one is up in arms on the issue there. While most people do not favor eliminating abortions, they do favor some restrictions. If you are in favor of third trimester abortions just because someone feels like it, I truly feel sorry for you.
Virginia who? You don't speak for me.
But that's the point. Everyone has different opinions on abortion. But it really should be a personal decision. That way, you don't stomp on my rights, and I don't stomp on yours. If you don't agree with abortion, that's your right. You don't have to have one. If I agree with abortion, then that's my right too. I can have one if I need one, or I might choose not to have one. It is really none of your business what goes on inside my uterus.
Choice has been a constitutional right for all Americans for decades. American daughters are stripped of the rights held by their mothers.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 13:47
Subject: Re:Youngkin and his AG come out in favor of overturning Roe v Wade
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good gosh, the left are such alarmists. Overturning RvW just means putting it to the states to decide. Virginia would like a 20 week ban with exceptions. If that is too extreme for you, sorry, but you are in the minority on this. European countries have similar laws, and no one is up in arms on the issue there. While most people do not favor eliminating abortions, they do favor some restrictions. If you are in favor of third trimester abortions just because someone feels like it, I truly feel sorry for you.
You know what else Europe has? That's right - universal healthcare. So you can actually obtain birth control, prenatal care, maternity care, and even abortion through the national health care system.
And I think all of you folks will be singing a much different tune when the GOP starts coming for your birth control. Because that's next. If there's no Roe, there's also no Griswold.
What on earth are you going on about? This isn't even a discussion anyone is having. Birth control is readily available.
Unless your pharmacist is religious.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 13:45
Subject: Re:Youngkin and his AG come out in favor of overturning Roe v Wade
Anonymous wrote:
What on earth are you going on about? This isn't even a discussion anyone is having. Birth control is readily available.
You aren't paying attention.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 13:40
Subject: Youngkin and his AG come out in favor of overturning Roe v Wade
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:20 weeks is not the 3rd trimester
Don't be pedantic.
So does VA GOP want to infringe upon RvW (3rd trimester) or not?
Anonymous
01/26/2022 13:15
Subject: Re:Youngkin and his AG come out in favor of overturning Roe v Wade
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good gosh, the left are such alarmists. Overturning RvW just means putting it to the states to decide. Virginia would like a 20 week ban with exceptions. If that is too extreme for you, sorry, but you are in the minority on this. European countries have similar laws, and no one is up in arms on the issue there. While most people do not favor eliminating abortions, they do favor some restrictions. If you are in favor of third trimester abortions just because someone feels like it, I truly feel sorry for you.
You know what else Europe has? That's right - universal healthcare. So you can actually obtain birth control, prenatal care, maternity care, and even abortion through the national health care system.
And I think all of you folks will be singing a much different tune when the GOP starts coming for your birth control. Because that's next. If there's no Roe, there's also no Griswold.
What on earth are you going on about? This isn't even a discussion anyone is having. Birth control is readily available.
And 20 years ago, Roe v Wade was settled law. The alarmists have been right about everything. The right wing women haters are becoming more and more empowered. Stop snoozing on your rights!
Anonymous
01/26/2022 12:38
Subject: Re:Youngkin and his AG come out in favor of overturning Roe v Wade
Anonymous wrote:Good gosh, the left are such alarmists. Overturning RvW just means putting it to the states to decide. Virginia would like a 20 week ban with exceptions. If that is too extreme for you, sorry, but you are in the minority on this. European countries have similar laws, and no one is up in arms on the issue there. While most people do not favor eliminating abortions, they do favor some restrictions. If you are in favor of third trimester abortions just because someone feels like it, I truly feel sorry for you.
You know what else Europe has? That's right - universal healthcare. So you can actually obtain birth control, prenatal care, maternity care, and even abortion through the national health care system.
And I think all of you folks will be singing a much different tune when the GOP starts coming for your birth control. Because that's next. If there's no Roe, there's also no Griswold.
What on earth are you going on about? This isn't even a discussion anyone is having. Birth control is readily available.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 10:44
Subject: Youngkin and his AG come out in favor of overturning Roe v Wade
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:20 weeks is not the 3rd trimester
Don't be pedantic.
AYFKM?