Anonymous wrote:Update: his parents --or father and stepmother, it's not clear--met with the principal THE SAME DAY about the kid's "concerning behavior" in school. https://www.thedailybeast.com/ethan-crumbley-identified-as-oxford-high-school-michigan-mass-shooter?ref=scroll

The letter quoted in the article written by the suspect’s mother (stepmother?) to Trump was vile.

Anonymous wrote:This is definitely a white male issue, but it's also an AMERICAN white male issue.

Yup. American white men are responsible for manufacturing guns, marketing guns, lobbying guns, promoting gun culture, and most of all, fighting common sense gun control laws.

We need to get creative on solutions. Maybe a Texas-style bounty. $10k to sue anyone anywhere who possesses guns without proper storage or training. Or anyone who helps that person.

Update: his parents --or father and stepmother, it's not clear--met with the principal THE SAME DAY about the kid's "concerning behavior" in school. https://www.thedailybeast.com/ethan-crumbley-identified-as-oxford-high-school-michigan-mass-shooter?ref=scroll

I don't think people realize how vicious, cruel and relentless bullying can be, especially with modern technology. It's not just being bullied at school by 1 or 2 kids, which is awful in itself, it's 24/7 now with dozens if not hundreds of students piling on over iPhone apps. There is no escape, victims feel like their life is over because this technology and social media follows you forever. Sometimes even teachers participate or at least look the other way. And administration couldn't care less, especially if it involves the sportball athletes or higher caste students whose parents live in the "right" neighborhood. It's really sad. And of course this will never be discussed by any newsrooms, just feature attention craving backwater politicians who want to exploit this for political gain.

At this point, blaming bullying for the alleged murderer's actions is pure speculation. Even if he were bullied, there is no showing that the 4 young people who died, the other kids who were shot, or the teacher who was shot engaged in bullying him.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if these bullied beta males getting picked on are getting more and more enraged because they can't 'escape' who they were when they were bullied.

In the 70s, 80s, 90s - when you were a target of bullies eventually they would move on in a few months and everyone would forget you got stuffed into locker in February by summer.

But if kids are taping the acts for their texts, snapchats, twitters, and private accounts...your humiliation lives forever. I couldn't imagine knowing everyone had access to that in the school forever.

Still wouldn't kill someone over it but just a thought.

Good point. The technology given to these minor kids is evil. Not to mention the other content and porn.

I don't consider it evil. But even the basic functions can have dark repercussions for adolescents with no filter and no inhibitions. Their parents bought them their phones, watches, and laptops - so its partly on parental guidance.

The only way I see it solved is metal detectors, secured locker rooms, and bag searches every morning at every school. No phones allowed on campus at all. But then you'd have to devote a lot more money to SROs, security officers, and teachers aides to ensure student safety without a communication device on hand. Plus free public phones in every hallway if the student needs to call home.

This is about 15 miles from where we live now.

My DH calls it the land of white entitlement, people itching for a fight. It has a rural redneck vibe.

This is definitely a white male issue, but it's also an AMERICAN white male issue.
Everyone needs to read the book White Trash.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if these bullied beta males getting picked on are getting more and more enraged because they can't 'escape' who they were when they were bullied.

In the 70s, 80s, 90s - when you were a target of bullies eventually they would move on in a few months and everyone would forget you got stuffed into locker in February by summer.

But if kids are taping the acts for their texts, snapchats, twitters, and private accounts...your humiliation lives forever. I couldn't imagine knowing everyone had access to that in the school forever.

Still wouldn't kill someone over it but just a thought.

Good point. The technology given to these minor kids is evil. Not to mention the other content and porn.

Anonymous wrote:That video. Ugh. These poor kids are in school, masked, living through a pandemic at their school which is now the scene of mass murder.

What is wrong with this world?

This is not a world problem, it is a distinctly American problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

What motive matters? He walked into a school and shot 11 victims - killing 3.

So you don’t care about what prompted him to do that? There HAS to be a reason. I’d like to know what it is. Why wouldn’t you?

Do I care what a misanthrope used for justification for committing this vile act? No. I think he deserves the electric chair.

The reason somebody is disgruntled is separate from the fact that he had access to a gun to kill others. If he did not have a gun, no one would be dead. The issue is the lack of gun control in our country and the fact that people bow down to the second amendment as if it itself cannot be amended. Going to become the God of the GOP who seem to worship the NRA and guns.

support for gun control is at a historic low because the “woke” movement has successfully defunded the police in many places (DC, Baltimore, Minnesota, CA).

Not surprisingly, crime is skyrocketing.

With 911 slowly fading away, a gun is my only protection from rape or home invasion robbery.

Before you parrot it: my training and safe-storage means my gun won’t be used against me, so don’t bother trotting out your meaningless and incorrect statistics from the Brady bunch about “a gun in the home.” It is misleading and you know it.

You sound awfully certain about that. Good luck.

wasn't there an incident where a pro-gun woman who taught gun safety classes was shot by her 4 yr old who got a hold of her gun from her handbag in the car?

A gun owner has a high chance of being shot accidently or not by their own gun because there is access to the gun. Most people don't live in high crime urban areas. So, if you live in the burbs and have a gun, you have a higher chance of being shot with your own gun than by a random shooter.

They also have a higher chance of someone in their household committing suicide with the gun, than using it on a random criminal. It's insanely illogical.

+1 Why don’t they just invest in a monitored alarm system and get a dog. That’s what we did. I call our dog alarm system #1 and the other is our backup alarm. Much safer than either having a gun securely locked up (in which case it’s not much use during an emergency) or having it readily accessible where one of my kids could get to it.

Why don't you understand that PP is different and thus the statistics don't apply to her

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

I would bet anything he was being tormented at school for being poor, pudgy, and unathletic. Bullying is so freaking cruel and typically nobody at large high schools gives a damn.

Plenty of kids are bullied and don’t shoot up schools. I’m not saying bullying is ok, but I don’t have an ounce of sympathy for this loser piece of crap or his dad who enabled this to happen. Dad needs to be in prison.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.

What motive matters? He walked into a school and shot 11 victims - killing 3.

So you don’t care about what prompted him to do that? There HAS to be a reason. I’d like to know what it is. Why wouldn’t you?

Do I care what a misanthrope used for justification for committing this vile act? No. I think he deserves the electric chair.

The reason somebody is disgruntled is separate from the fact that he had access to a gun to kill others. If he did not have a gun, no one would be dead. The issue is the lack of gun control in our country and the fact that people bow down to the second amendment as if it itself cannot be amended. Going to become the God of the GOP who seem to worship the NRA and guns.

support for gun control is at a historic low because the “woke” movement has successfully defunded the police in many places (DC, Baltimore, Minnesota, CA).

Not surprisingly, crime is skyrocketing.

With 911 slowly fading away, a gun is my only protection from rape or home invasion robbery.

Before you parrot it: my training and safe-storage means my gun won’t be used against me, so don’t bother trotting out your meaningless and incorrect statistics from the Brady bunch about “a gun in the home.” It is misleading and you know it.

You sound awfully certain about that. Good luck.

wasn't there an incident where a pro-gun woman who taught gun safety classes was shot by her 4 yr old who got a hold of her gun from her handbag in the car?

A gun owner has a high chance of being shot accidently or not by their own gun because there is access to the gun. Most people don't live in high crime urban areas. So, if you live in the burbs and have a gun, you have a higher chance of being shot with your own gun than by a random shooter.

They also have a higher chance of someone in their household committing suicide with the gun, than using it on a random criminal. It's insanely illogical.

+1 Why don’t they just invest in a monitored alarm system and get a dog. That’s what we did. I call our dog alarm system #1 and the other is our backup alarm. Much safer than either having a gun securely locked up (in which case it’s not much use during an emergency) or having it readily accessible where one of my kids could get to it.

Anonymous wrote:NP. Why do people think trying to understand the details behind it = justifying the crime?

You can want punishment for the crime and still want to understand the crime. In fact there's whole areas of study dedicated to it.

Do you think forensics teams are trying to free criminals by investigating the scene?

Mental gymnastics.

You know what I'd love a whole area of study on? Gun violence in this country. The CDC is still prevented from publishing research on the subject in 2021.

WTF.

I wonder if these bullied beta males getting picked on are getting more and more enraged because they can't 'escape' who they were when they were bullied.

In the 70s, 80s, 90s - when you were a target of bullies eventually they would move on in a few months and everyone would forget you got stuffed into locker in February by summer.

But if kids are taping the acts for their texts, snapchats, twitters, and private accounts...your humiliation lives forever. I couldn't imagine knowing everyone had access to that in the school forever.

Still wouldn't kill someone over it but just a thought.