What was it that Herschmann said to Eastman?

Oh yeah, “THE ONLY WORDS I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU ARE ‘ORDERLY TRANSITION.’”

Didn’t work. Still b****ing and morning AFTER Biden’s inauguration.

Curiouser and curiouser

The FBI seems to be working for me just fine.

Heads-up to all the naive Americans out there. The FBI and the CIA have had major problems of incompetency and bias since their creation and not work for you, the American people. The FBI was complicit in Nixon's bugging of Democratic Party headquarters at the Watergate, to name just one example.

And can I please remind you that then FBI director James Comey broke long-standing tradition by sending a letter to Congress just before the 2016 election that the Democratic candidate's emails were under investigation. It halved her lead in the polls and was a major contribution to the election of the Republican candidate.

Our most powerful institutions and electoral processes (hello Senate) have built-in political bias and history shows they act against Democrats.

Anonymous wrote:I highly highly recommend that as a supplement to the hearings, everyone should listen to the podcast "Will Be Wild" It gives tremendous insight into what was going on inside the government in the months leading up to 1/6 and how agencies were completely hamstrung.

The FBI was warned of every single thing that happened and they didn't act on it. They knew, but they let it happen. It wouldn't have made a bit of difference if Pence had gone straight to them.

For a democracy to survive, its leaders must have some kind of moral core and basic human decency. That’s really what it comes down to. There are no other “safeguards”.

I highly highly recommend that as a supplement to the hearings, everyone should listen to the podcast "Will Be Wild" It gives tremendous insight into what was going on inside the government in the months leading up to 1/6 and how agencies were completely hamstrung.

The FBI was warned of every single thing that happened and they didn't act on it. They knew, but they let it happen. It wouldn't have made a bit of difference if Pence had gone straight to them.

Anonymous wrote:What would the FBI had done. It's not like any of this wasn't obvious and apparent at the time. There were newspaper articles about changing electors, Trump told the Proud Boys to stand by, he was calling the election a fraud (unless he won) since April; he was tweeting about the 6th to encourage people to come.

The FBI knew all of this was going on, or at least they should have, because we certainly talked about it on this message board.

Pence or Quayle or Luttig or anyone else who Pence talked with could have told the FBI that John Eastman and others were planning to violate the Electoral Count Act. They knew that and no one else did at the time.

What would the FBI had done. It's not like any of this wasn't obvious and apparent at the time. There were newspaper articles about changing electors, Trump told the Proud Boys to stand by, he was calling the election a fraud (unless he won) since April; he was tweeting about the 6th to encourage people to come.

The FBI knew all of this was going on, or at least they should have, because we certainly talked about it on this message board.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious here, is there any objective way that folks could look at Mike Pence as a human being that clearly has zero interest in this farce? Or do we have to continue hearing "mother" and that he's less of a man and subhuman.

I would say accepting and retaining the position of Trump's VP pretty much sealed my thoughts about Mike Pence, and nothing I've seen or heard since then has convinced me that he is a better person than that. The "mother" jokes are a way to blow off steam faced with the true horror of who those people are and what they did.

Ah, Mike Pence has a shady history people look it up.

We have campaign finance laws because of his shadiness. He is the poster child for why we have them.

While he did nothing "illegal" at the time it was shady as hell. He used campaign finances for his own personal gain. He also tried to kill off anyone who is homosexual and literally could not care about anyone else but himself. So yes sub-human fits.

Trump tapped him for VP because not to many others wanted the job and he needed another con man criminal to work with. Indiana was done with Pence he would have been out of politics.

just stop it. Pence saved our nation. Until the hearings are over, just shut up. (you can go back to insulting him after they are over)

He doesn’t get a complete pass, because he considered this cockamamie sh|t seriously enough to get a lot of advice about it.

Sounds like Dan Quayle is the real hero here. Who would have thought? The guy everyone ridiculed in the late 1980s ended up saving our democracy.

Dan Quayle could have called the FBI. I mean, so could Pence, but I get how that was harder.

I can’t believe how much credit I’m giving a Cheney…

But let’s not put Pence’s few days of courage (after he tried to follow trump’s orders) on the same level as Cheney’s 18 months of outspoken truth seeking.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious here, is there any objective way that folks could look at Mike Pence as a human being that clearly has zero interest in this farce? Or do we have to continue hearing "mother" and that he's less of a man and subhuman.

I would say accepting and retaining the position of Trump's VP pretty much sealed my thoughts about Mike Pence, and nothing I've seen or heard since then has convinced me that he is a better person than that. The "mother" jokes are a way to blow off steam faced with the true horror of who those people are and what they did.

Ah, Mike Pence has a shady history people look it up.

We have campaign finance laws because of his shadiness. He is the poster child for why we have them.

While he did nothing "illegal" at the time it was shady as hell. He used campaign finances for his own personal gain. He also tried to kill off anyone who is homosexual and literally could not care about anyone else but himself. So yes sub-human fits.

Trump tapped him for VP because not to many others wanted the job and he needed another con man criminal to work with. Indiana was done with Pence he would have been out of politics.

just stop it. Pence saved our nation. Until the hearings are over, just shut up. (you can go back to insulting him after they are over)

He doesn’t get a complete pass, because he considered this cockamamie sh|t seriously enough to get a lot of advice about it.

We can be nuanced about this. Liz Cheney and Mike Pence and their ilk certainly acted with courage to save our democracy. That doesn't mean they're clean in other areas of their lives. Pence had a disastrous term as Indiana governor, and was dogged for years with his controversial decisions regarding treatment of homosexuals.

In the end we're all human. We can admire and commend them for certain important actions that have defined our history, while keeping in mind that hardly any of their usual policies are in line with progressive values. Indeed, Pence is a Christian Nationalist and as such part of a dangerous movement that would curtail tolerance for faiths other than Protestantism, marginalize non-whites and "deviant sexual groups", and enforce a biblical interpretation of women's roles. Beware.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious here, is there any objective way that folks could look at Mike Pence as a human being that clearly has zero interest in this farce? Or do we have to continue hearing "mother" and that he's less of a man and subhuman.

I would say accepting and retaining the position of Trump's VP pretty much sealed my thoughts about Mike Pence, and nothing I've seen or heard since then has convinced me that he is a better person than that. The "mother" jokes are a way to blow off steam faced with the true horror of who those people are and what they did.

Ah, Mike Pence has a shady history people look it up.

We have campaign finance laws because of his shadiness. He is the poster child for why we have them.

While he did nothing "illegal" at the time it was shady as hell. He used campaign finances for his own personal gain. He also tried to kill off anyone who is homosexual and literally could not care about anyone else but himself. So yes sub-human fits.

Trump tapped him for VP because not to many others wanted the job and he needed another con man criminal to work with. Indiana was done with Pence he would have been out of politics.

just stop it. Pence saved our nation. Until the hearings are over, just shut up. (you can go back to insulting him after they are over)

He doesn’t get a complete pass, because he considered this cockamamie sh|t seriously enough to get a lot of advice about it.

Sounds like Dan Quayle is the real hero here. Who would have thought? The guy everyone ridiculed in the late 1980s ended up saving our democracy.

Dan Quayle did not stand down the mob. Dan Quayle did not take great personal risk to save our nation. Give pence credit where credit is due. He isn't smart, but once he realizes what is right, he is willing to die for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious here, is there any objective way that folks could look at Mike Pence as a human being that clearly has zero interest in this farce? Or do we have to continue hearing "mother" and that he's less of a man and subhuman.

I would say accepting and retaining the position of Trump's VP pretty much sealed my thoughts about Mike Pence, and nothing I've seen or heard since then has convinced me that he is a better person than that. The "mother" jokes are a way to blow off steam faced with the true horror of who those people are and what they did.

Ah, Mike Pence has a shady history people look it up.

We have campaign finance laws because of his shadiness. He is the poster child for why we have them.

While he did nothing "illegal" at the time it was shady as hell. He used campaign finances for his own personal gain. He also tried to kill off anyone who is homosexual and literally could not care about anyone else but himself. So yes sub-human fits.

Trump tapped him for VP because not to many others wanted the job and he needed another con man criminal to work with. Indiana was done with Pence he would have been out of politics.

just stop it. Pence saved our nation. Until the hearings are over, just shut up. (you can go back to insulting him after they are over)

He doesn’t get a complete pass, because he considered this cockamamie sh|t seriously enough to get a lot of advice about it.

He gets a complete pass for at least 10 years. He saved our nation. The history books can be more subtle.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious here, is there any objective way that folks could look at Mike Pence as a human being that clearly has zero interest in this farce? Or do we have to continue hearing "mother" and that he's less of a man and subhuman.

I would say accepting and retaining the position of Trump's VP pretty much sealed my thoughts about Mike Pence, and nothing I've seen or heard since then has convinced me that he is a better person than that. The "mother" jokes are a way to blow off steam faced with the true horror of who those people are and what they did.

Ah, Mike Pence has a shady history people look it up.

We have campaign finance laws because of his shadiness. He is the poster child for why we have them.

While he did nothing "illegal" at the time it was shady as hell. He used campaign finances for his own personal gain. He also tried to kill off anyone who is homosexual and literally could not care about anyone else but himself. So yes sub-human fits.

Trump tapped him for VP because not to many others wanted the job and he needed another con man criminal to work with. Indiana was done with Pence he would have been out of politics.

just stop it. Pence saved our nation. Until the hearings are over, just shut up. (you can go back to insulting him after they are over)

He doesn’t get a complete pass, because he considered this cockamamie sh|t seriously enough to get a lot of advice about it.

Sounds like Dan Quayle is the real hero here. Who would have thought? The guy everyone ridiculed in the late 1980s ended up saving our democracy.