Anonymous
Post 06/23/2016 00:09     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:I live in Florida and I wouldn't mind if gators went extinct. Nothing but problems. Gross.


I agree. They are a nusiance. How much tax payer dollars are spent protecting them? I wonder how long it would take to kill 'em all or at least reduce the population by half.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2016 19:39     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Today was the little boy's funeral. RIP little guy.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2016 19:30     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the Disney vacation travel books (brand or not) mention snakes or alligators? Do Florida travel guides? Just curious if one was researching Disney or travel to Orlando if mention of alligators or snakes be in any travel guides.


Snakes come up pretty often on Intercot and the Dis boards. Last year a kid ended up hospitalized because he was playing with a venomous snake at his Disney resort and it bit him.

Alligators don't really come up too often. There's never been an attack and Disney has been very reassuring to guests that they remove alligators when they find them.


But they don't remove them. And there was an attack in the 80s. Reports coming out now of recent alligator sightings on property and Disney didn't do anything.


I feel like people have tried to make this point but it has been more implied than explicitly stated.

If Disney was able to wave a magic wand today that eliminated every alligator from their property there would still be alligators there tomorrow. Disney is actually incapable of micromanaging nature, despite their ability to micromanage virtually everything else.


But it's a man-made lagoon and beach. So they created it, thereby inviting the danger. They can't argue, "hey, we can't control nature" when they created the habitat for the gator to live in.


In Florida you cannot control where the gators go - man made or natural lake... They are notoriously territorial and will invade manmade spaces. It would be like trying to remove all of our squirrels from forests or new home builds... Aint gonna happen.


I'm not saying that they can control where the gators go in terms of man made versus natural. But serious question here - if there were no lake there at the resort, would a gator likely have been there? If there's no water, would there be gators?


Disney didn't create the water. It was a swamp, with gators. Now they drained the land so the water had to go somewhere, so they made a lake. The gators stayed. [/quote
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Post 06/21/2016 17:22     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the Disney vacation travel books (brand or not) mention snakes or alligators? Do Florida travel guides? Just curious if one was researching Disney or travel to Orlando if mention of alligators or snakes be in any travel guides.


Snakes come up pretty often on Intercot and the Dis boards. Last year a kid ended up hospitalized because he was playing with a venomous snake at his Disney resort and it bit him.

Alligators don't really come up too often. There's never been an attack and Disney has been very reassuring to guests that they remove alligators when they find them.


But they don't remove them. And there was an attack in the 80s. Reports coming out now of recent alligator sightings on property and Disney didn't do anything.


I feel like people have tried to make this point but it has been more implied than explicitly stated.

If Disney was able to wave a magic wand today that eliminated every alligator from their property there would still be alligators there tomorrow. Disney is actually incapable of micromanaging nature, despite their ability to micromanage virtually everything else.


But it's a man-made lagoon and beach. So they created it, thereby inviting the danger. They can't argue, "hey, we can't control nature" when they created the habitat for the gator to live in.


In Florida you cannot control where the gators go - man made or natural lake... They are notoriously territorial and will invade manmade spaces. It would be like trying to remove all of our squirrels from forests or new home builds... Aint gonna happen.


I'm not saying that they can control where the gators go in terms of man made versus natural. But serious question here - if there were no lake there at the resort, would a gator likely have been there? If there's no water, would there be gators?


Disney didn't create the water. It was a swamp, with gators. Now they drained the land so the water had to go somewhere, so they made a lake. The gators stayed.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2016 17:20     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
just came back a week later to see the exact same argument happening... I guess carry on, but it seems really useless
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2016 17:15     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the Disney vacation travel books (brand or not) mention snakes or alligators? Do Florida travel guides? Just curious if one was researching Disney or travel to Orlando if mention of alligators or snakes be in any travel guides.


Snakes come up pretty often on Intercot and the Dis boards. Last year a kid ended up hospitalized because he was playing with a venomous snake at his Disney resort and it bit him.

Alligators don't really come up too often. There's never been an attack and Disney has been very reassuring to guests that they remove alligators when they find them.


But they don't remove them. And there was an attack in the 80s. Reports coming out now of recent alligator sightings on property and Disney didn't do anything.


I feel like people have tried to make this point but it has been more implied than explicitly stated.

If Disney was able to wave a magic wand today that eliminated every alligator from their property there would still be alligators there tomorrow. Disney is actually incapable of micromanaging nature, despite their ability to micromanage virtually everything else.


But it's a man-made lagoon and beach. So they created it, thereby inviting the danger. They can't argue, "hey, we can't control nature" when they created the habitat for the gator to live in.


In Florida you cannot control where the gators go - man made or natural lake... They are notoriously territorial and will invade manmade spaces. It would be like trying to remove all of our squirrels from forests or new home builds... Aint gonna happen.


I'm not saying that they can control where the gators go in terms of man made versus natural. But serious question here - if there were no lake there at the resort, would a gator likely have been there? If there's no water, would there be gators?
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Post 06/21/2016 17:14     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the Disney vacation travel books (brand or not) mention snakes or alligators? Do Florida travel guides? Just curious if one was researching Disney or travel to Orlando if mention of alligators or snakes be in any travel guides.


Snakes come up pretty often on Intercot and the Dis boards. Last year a kid ended up hospitalized because he was playing with a venomous snake at his Disney resort and it bit him.

Alligators don't really come up too often. There's never been an attack and Disney has been very reassuring to guests that they remove alligators when they find them.


But they don't remove them. And there was an attack in the 80s. Reports coming out now of recent alligator sightings on property and Disney didn't do anything.


I feel like people have tried to make this point but it has been more implied than explicitly stated.

If Disney was able to wave a magic wand today that eliminated every alligator from their property there would still be alligators there tomorrow. Disney is actually incapable of micromanaging nature, despite their ability to micromanage virtually everything else.


But it's a man-made lagoon and beach. So they created it, thereby inviting the danger. They can't argue, "hey, we can't control nature" when they created the habitat for the gator to live in.


In Florida you cannot control where the gators go - man made or natural lake... They are notoriously territorial and will invade manmade spaces. It would be like trying to remove all of our squirrels from forests or new home builds... Aint gonna happen.


Of course. But when you put a man made lake in an area where thousands of tourists go to watch your fire works and frolic around at your suggestion, you warn them about the dangers.
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Post 06/21/2016 17:12     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the Disney vacation travel books (brand or not) mention snakes or alligators? Do Florida travel guides? Just curious if one was researching Disney or travel to Orlando if mention of alligators or snakes be in any travel guides.


Snakes come up pretty often on Intercot and the Dis boards. Last year a kid ended up hospitalized because he was playing with a venomous snake at his Disney resort and it bit him.

Alligators don't really come up too often. There's never been an attack and Disney has been very reassuring to guests that they remove alligators when they find them.


But they don't remove them. And there was an attack in the 80s. Reports coming out now of recent alligator sightings on property and Disney didn't do anything.


I feel like people have tried to make this point but it has been more implied than explicitly stated.

If Disney was able to wave a magic wand today that eliminated every alligator from their property there would still be alligators there tomorrow. Disney is actually incapable of micromanaging nature, despite their ability to micromanage virtually everything else.


But it's a man-made lagoon and beach. So they created it, thereby inviting the danger. They can't argue, "hey, we can't control nature" when they created the habitat for the gator to live in.


In Florida you cannot control where the gators go - man made or natural lake... They are notoriously territorial and will invade manmade spaces. It would be like trying to remove all of our squirrels from forests or new home builds... Aint gonna happen.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2016 17:05     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the Disney vacation travel books (brand or not) mention snakes or alligators? Do Florida travel guides? Just curious if one was researching Disney or travel to Orlando if mention of alligators or snakes be in any travel guides.


Snakes come up pretty often on Intercot and the Dis boards. Last year a kid ended up hospitalized because he was playing with a venomous snake at his Disney resort and it bit him.

Alligators don't really come up too often. There's never been an attack and Disney has been very reassuring to guests that they remove alligators when they find them.


But they don't remove them. And there was an attack in the 80s. Reports coming out now of recent alligator sightings on property and Disney didn't do anything.


I feel like people have tried to make this point but it has been more implied than explicitly stated.

If Disney was able to wave a magic wand today that eliminated every alligator from their property there would still be alligators there tomorrow. Disney is actually incapable of micromanaging nature, despite their ability to micromanage virtually everything else.


But it's a man-made lagoon and beach. So they created it, thereby inviting the danger. They can't argue, "hey, we can't control nature" when they created the habitat for the gator to live in.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2016 16:14     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
if a Cardinal flew into my face tomorrow and pecked out my eyes, it wouldn't mean Cardinals were a huge threat all of these years because one time something bad happened.

Gators rarely attack humans. Maybe the gator thought this kid was a cat.
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Post 06/21/2016 16:10     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:I think that's the point Disney should have made. Make reservations 180 days in advance. Make your FP 60 days in advance. Take transportation 90 minutes ahead of time so you're not late. Extra magic hour is tomorrow between 8am-9am. Oh and by the way: not so magical alligators in the water. Caution. Easy. They say safety first and don't let you have a selfie stick in the park because people were pulling them out on rides. They even handed out literature at the parking lots when it was implemented. But not one sign about alligators.


No alligator attack in 40 years...

Selfie sticks are a new menace and there have probably been incidents where they caused undo fear of the sticks flying off and smacking someone upside the head... Disney was managing a new issue... The alligator threat was not imminent.

Apples and oranges.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2016 15:49     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
I think that's the point Disney should have made. Make reservations 180 days in advance. Make your FP 60 days in advance. Take transportation 90 minutes ahead of time so you're not late. Extra magic hour is tomorrow between 8am-9am. Oh and by the way: not so magical alligators in the water. Caution. Easy. They say safety first and don't let you have a selfie stick in the park because people were pulling them out on rides. They even handed out literature at the parking lots when it was implemented. But not one sign about alligators.
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Post 06/21/2016 15:38     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the Disney vacation travel books (brand or not) mention snakes or alligators? Do Florida travel guides? Just curious if one was researching Disney or travel to Orlando if mention of alligators or snakes be in any travel guides.


Snakes come up pretty often on Intercot and the Dis boards. Last year a kid ended up hospitalized because he was playing with a venomous snake at his Disney resort and it bit him.

Alligators don't really come up too often. There's never been an attack and Disney has been very reassuring to guests that they remove alligators when they find them.


But they don't remove them. And there was an attack in the 80s. Reports coming out now of recent alligator sightings on property and Disney didn't do anything.


I feel like people have tried to make this point but it has been more implied than explicitly stated.

If Disney was able to wave a magic wand today that eliminated every alligator from their property there would still be alligators there tomorrow. Disney is actually incapable of micromanaging nature, despite their ability to micromanage virtually everything else.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2016 15:33     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do any of the Disney vacation travel books (brand or not) mention snakes or alligators? Do Florida travel guides? Just curious if one was researching Disney or travel to Orlando if mention of alligators or snakes be in any travel guides.


Snakes come up pretty often on Intercot and the Dis boards. Last year a kid ended up hospitalized because he was playing with a venomous snake at his Disney resort and it bit him.

Alligators don't really come up too often. There's never been an attack and Disney has been very reassuring to guests that they remove alligators when they find them.


But they don't remove them. And there was an attack in the 80s. Reports coming out now of recent alligator sightings on property and Disney didn't do anything.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2016 15:28     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
If there are no fatalities in 40 years it was a small risk. This was a weird alligator. Nobody really is to blame, it just happened. Shit happens and you learn from it.

I'm more on the side of (1) somewhat naive/dumb parents than (2) someone needs to fry, but more (3) nobody to blame, not reasonably foreseeable.