Anonymous
02/27/2022 18:40
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We promised to back Ukraine. It’s our duty to follow through. And as uncomfortable as is to stare the threat of nuclear war in the face, we have lost our democracy and our word if we back down now.
Let’s go Biden!
Speak for yourself.
Whether you like Biden or not, he’s our President. You sound awfully naive to the Russian long term threat. It’s time to stare Putin down and call his bluff. A global nuclear war ends how….
Many would rather die than be part of Russia. Have you been to Russia?
Anonymous
02/27/2022 18:28
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:I've seen some anti-racist hot takes from very privileged American people of color about the white privilege of Ukrainian refugees. If they were Palestinian or African, nobody would care.
Yes, racism has resulted in structural inequality. But read the room. People want to rally around a victim and help them stand up to an aggressor. That's a good thing.
I appreciate the honesty of Bulgarians, Poland, and other neighboring elected officials who have explicitly stated why Ukrainian refugees are better than the normal refugee inflow.
I think poc people are frustrated by so called Ally’s who pretend to be color blind.
Anonymous
02/27/2022 18:24
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
French person here.
OK, cool down everyone. The sad truth is that the West will, and HAS TO, let Ukraine do the actual fighting (with significant sanctions and weaponry distribution), otherwise we risk an escalation into WWIII and possible nuclear use.
This was always the plan. Ukraine is not part of NATO, and you can argue forever about whether it was blocked to preserve the tenuous east-west geopolitical truce, but the fact is, it's not in NATO and does not have to be protected with the full military might of western countries.
Social media images of Ukrainian suffering will make us weep but will not change the plan.
However, I can promise you that sanctions are here to stay. These are the harshest ever implemented on Russia. The more genocide there is, the longer and more severe they will be, until the entire Russian economy collapses and Putin is forced out. That also will lead to immense suffering on the part of the Russian population.
There is no good option.
NATO will not risk it's populations safety and wellbeing by escalating this conflict beyond sanctions and arms/materials provision. It is already gearing up for a refugee crisis of millions of Ukrainians.
BUT - Putin has NO options AT ALL. He has cornered himself like a rat. He can all of Ukraine. But he will lose, because retribution will strangle his country's economy into oblivion. At some point his assets, instead of being frozen, may be seized outright depending on Hague tribunal decisions.
This is the beginning of the end for Putin.
Well said. Thank you!
Don’t forget to cast your gaze to China to watch what they’re doing.
Anonymous
02/27/2022 18:19
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Also , as always it's not about freedom and democracy as always it's about control and money this time it just happens to l center around a non Muslim country
Anonymous
02/27/2022 18:17
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:We promised to back Ukraine. It’s our duty to follow through. And as uncomfortable as is to stare the threat of nuclear war in the face, we have lost our democracy and our word if we back down now.
Let’s go Biden!
Speak for yourself.
Anonymous
02/27/2022 18:11
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
We promised to back Ukraine. It’s our duty to follow through. And as uncomfortable as is to stare the threat of nuclear war in the face, we have lost our democracy and our word if we back down now.
Let’s go Biden!
Let’s go Biden!
Anonymous
02/27/2022 18:09
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
French person here.
OK, cool down everyone. The sad truth is that the West will, and HAS TO, let Ukraine do the actual fighting (with significant sanctions and weaponry distribution), otherwise we risk an escalation into WWIII and possible nuclear use.
This was always the plan. Ukraine is not part of NATO, and you can argue forever about whether it was blocked to preserve the tenuous east-west geopolitical truce, but the fact is, it's not in NATO and does not have to be protected with the full military might of western countries.
Social media images of Ukrainian suffering will make us weep but will not change the plan.
However, I can promise you that sanctions are here to stay. These are the harshest ever implemented on Russia. The more genocide there is, the longer and more severe they will be, until the entire Russian economy collapses and Putin is forced out. That also will lead to immense suffering on the part of the Russian population.
There is no good option.
NATO will not risk it's populations safety and wellbeing by escalating this conflict beyond sanctions and arms/materials provision. It is already gearing up for a refugee crisis of millions of Ukrainians.
BUT - Putin has NO options AT ALL. He has cornered himself like a rat. He can all of Ukraine. But he will lose, because retribution will strangle his country's economy into oblivion. At some point his assets, instead of being frozen, may be seized outright depending on Hague tribunal decisions.
This is the beginning of the end for Putin.
Well said. Thank you!
But is the end of Putin something that will happen without Putin taking us all down with him? That’s my worry. He’s legitimately a psychopath, his ego is enormous, and he is intent on winning at every single chance.
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Anonymous
02/27/2022 17:52
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
I was not sure what Sasse was getting at, but this makes sense with the Lake tweet alongside it. I saw one of the IC folks I follow on Twitter reference a former colleague telling him happenings at the current NSC were reminiscent of the Obama NSC, which is bad. Obama's NSC was legendary for its analysis paralysis. Endless meetings without decisions hinging on noodling details like this.
I agree with Lake, and further, it's our intelligence. We can share it with whoever we want. If a dictator like Putin is going to attack us, he's not going to use a pretext like intel sharing. Or if we are that afraid (I hope not) there are a couple of easy workarounds using other partners.
Anonymous
02/27/2022 17:52
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Democratic Socialists of America calls on the U.S. to withdraw from NATO.
https://twitter.com/sukatra/status/1497811024359137281/photo/1
That’s not what they said. That was someone replying to them.
Anonymous
02/27/2022 17:46
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
They need air cover. And if you think Putin will stop at Ukraine, I encourage you to read history. This is not going to end without bloodshed. And if you think Russia will be intimidated by the money squeeze, you are wrong.
A bully needs to be knocked square in the face. We need birds in the air to back him down.
A bully needs to be knocked square in the face. We need birds in the air to back him down.
Anonymous
02/27/2022 17:42
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
French person here.
OK, cool down everyone. The sad truth is that the West will, and HAS TO, let Ukraine do the actual fighting (with significant sanctions and weaponry distribution), otherwise we risk an escalation into WWIII and possible nuclear use.
This was always the plan. Ukraine is not part of NATO, and you can argue forever about whether it was blocked to preserve the tenuous east-west geopolitical truce, but the fact is, it's not in NATO and does not have to be protected with the full military might of western countries.
Social media images of Ukrainian suffering will make us weep but will not change the plan.
However, I can promise you that sanctions are here to stay. These are the harshest ever implemented on Russia. The more genocide there is, the longer and more severe they will be, until the entire Russian economy collapses and Putin is forced out. That also will lead to immense suffering on the part of the Russian population.
There is no good option.
NATO will not risk it's populations safety and wellbeing by escalating this conflict beyond sanctions and arms/materials provision. It is already gearing up for a refugee crisis of millions of Ukrainians.
BUT - Putin has NO options AT ALL. He has cornered himself like a rat. He can all of Ukraine. But he will lose, because retribution will strangle his country's economy into oblivion. At some point his assets, instead of being frozen, may be seized outright depending on Hague tribunal decisions.
This is the beginning of the end for Putin.
Well said. Thank you!
Anonymous
02/27/2022 17:40
Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
I've seen some anti-racist hot takes from very privileged American people of color about the white privilege of Ukrainian refugees. If they were Palestinian or African, nobody would care.
Yes, racism has resulted in structural inequality. But read the room. People want to rally around a victim and help them stand up to an aggressor. That's a good thing.
Yes, racism has resulted in structural inequality. But read the room. People want to rally around a victim and help them stand up to an aggressor. That's a good thing.