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Anonymous wrote:I drove past the new Cleveland Park pedestrian zone last night at around 5:30. You know, the one that was supposed to revitalize that retail strip? It was a beautiful night. There were literally three people on it, and two of them were camped out outside the 7-11. There was no outdoor dining, there was no huge pedestrian presence, no one was patronizing any of the stores or restaurants. Completely desolate at 5:30 on a beautiful evening, and that's not the first time I've noticed how dead it is.

I'm absolutely surprised no one wants to do outdoor dining next to one of the busiest "stroads" in the city during rush hour. This is the fundamental problem of this strip that can't be fixed with a few bike lanes or parking tweaks. Its a fundamentally bad design, that has to compete with better designed places like the Wharf and Union Market. As more and better places for people are developed in the city and region, the worse things are going to get here.

This statement is 10000 percent untrue, and you know it. There is outdoor dining up and down Connecticut Avenue, but not on the newly pedestrianized stretch in Cleveland Park. Hell, there is outdoor dining *directly across the street* from the new pedestrian zone. So yes, despite sarcastic (and laughably untrue) claims from GGW sycophants, people are fine eating outside on Connecticut Avenue, but for some reason it is not happening in this one location that recently got a drastic alteration under the promise that it would encourage more streetside activity. In this regard, it's an absolute failure.

Are you arguing that the outdoor dining along CT is packed from 4-6PM on weekdays? It only ever seems "busy" outside of rush hour, wonder why that is?

Because dinner doesn't usually start at 4pm

Anonymous wrote:The whole retail strip on Connecticut needs to be redone. It looks so old and antiquated. Drab and shabby little one-story shops, it looks like it should be in some small town in the 1950’s. The movie theater looks straight out of the 1930’s. I can practically smell the mildew driving by.

Remove all of it and replace it with something functional.

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Anonymous wrote:I drove past the new Cleveland Park pedestrian zone last night at around 5:30. You know, the one that was supposed to revitalize that retail strip? It was a beautiful night. There were literally three people on it, and two of them were camped out outside the 7-11. There was no outdoor dining, there was no huge pedestrian presence, no one was patronizing any of the stores or restaurants. Completely desolate at 5:30 on a beautiful evening, and that's not the first time I've noticed how dead it is.

I'm absolutely surprised no one wants to do outdoor dining next to one of the busiest "stroads" in the city during rush hour. This is the fundamental problem of this strip that can't be fixed with a few bike lanes or parking tweaks. Its a fundamentally bad design, that has to compete with better designed places like the Wharf and Union Market. As more and better places for people are developed in the city and region, the worse things are going to get here.

This statement is 10000 percent untrue, and you know it. There is outdoor dining up and down Connecticut Avenue, but not on the newly pedestrianized stretch in Cleveland Park. Hell, there is outdoor dining *directly across the street* from the new pedestrian zone. So yes, despite sarcastic (and laughably untrue) claims from GGW sycophants, people are fine eating outside on Connecticut Avenue, but for some reason it is not happening in this one location that recently got a drastic alteration under the promise that it would encourage more streetside activity. In this regard, it's an absolute failure.

Are you arguing that the outdoor dining along CT is packed from 4-6PM on weekdays? It only ever seems "busy" outside of rush hour, wonder why that is?

Because dinner doesn't usually start at 4pm

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Anonymous wrote:just another data point

Someone make a meme where drivers and cyclists fight while a walker just looks depressed.

Yup - two different independent studies of Cleveland Park found that only 10% of customers were arriving by car - both studies found 80% of customers were arriving on foot.

In fairness bike lanes really do benefit pedestrians by getting bikes (and scooters) off of sidewalks.

1. According to official data there's nowhere near enough bicyclists for there to be any benefit to pedestrians. Perhaps in other parts of town there is but not there.

2. The level of disingenuity in that "survey" is off the charts. Most customers arrive by walking from their car parked in the neighborhood. Under the metrics of those "surveys" those people are included in the 80%. People only count as arriving by car in that survey if they parked directly on Connecticut in front of the business they were patronizing.

Haha is this true? What a joke! Only like four cars parked at a time in front of a business. Of course everyone else ‘walks’.

Drivers won't visit a business unless they can park within 6 feet of the entrance, this is known.

Anonymous wrote:The whole retail strip on Connecticut needs to be redone. It looks so old and antiquated. Drab and shabby little one-story shops, it looks like it should be in some small town in the 1950’s. The movie theater looks straight out of the 1930’s. I can practically smell the mildew driving by.

Remove all of it and replace it with something functional.

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Anonymous wrote:I drove past the new Cleveland Park pedestrian zone last night at around 5:30. You know, the one that was supposed to revitalize that retail strip? It was a beautiful night. There were literally three people on it, and two of them were camped out outside the 7-11. There was no outdoor dining, there was no huge pedestrian presence, no one was patronizing any of the stores or restaurants. Completely desolate at 5:30 on a beautiful evening, and that's not the first time I've noticed how dead it is.

I'm absolutely surprised no one wants to do outdoor dining next to one of the busiest "stroads" in the city during rush hour. This is the fundamental problem of this strip that can't be fixed with a few bike lanes or parking tweaks. Its a fundamentally bad design, that has to compete with better designed places like the Wharf and Union Market. As more and better places for people are developed in the city and region, the worse things are going to get here.

This statement is 10000 percent untrue, and you know it. There is outdoor dining up and down Connecticut Avenue, but not on the newly pedestrianized stretch in Cleveland Park. Hell, there is outdoor dining *directly across the street* from the new pedestrian zone. So yes, despite sarcastic (and laughably untrue) claims from GGW sycophants, people are fine eating outside on Connecticut Avenue, but for some reason it is not happening in this one location that recently got a drastic alteration under the promise that it would encourage more streetside activity. In this regard, it's an absolute failure.

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Anonymous wrote:I drove past the new Cleveland Park pedestrian zone last night at around 5:30. You know, the one that was supposed to revitalize that retail strip? It was a beautiful night. There were literally three people on it, and two of them were camped out outside the 7-11. There was no outdoor dining, there was no huge pedestrian presence, no one was patronizing any of the stores or restaurants. Completely desolate at 5:30 on a beautiful evening, and that's not the first time I've noticed how dead it is.

I'm absolutely surprised no one wants to do outdoor dining next to one of the busiest "stroads" in the city during rush hour. This is the fundamental problem of this strip that can't be fixed with a few bike lanes or parking tweaks. Its a fundamentally bad design, that has to compete with better designed places like the Wharf and Union Market. As more and better places for people are developed in the city and region, the worse things are going to get here.

This statement is 10000 percent untrue, and you know it. There is outdoor dining up and down Connecticut Avenue, but not on the newly pedestrianized stretch in Cleveland Park. Hell, there is outdoor dining *directly across the street* from the new pedestrian zone. So yes, despite sarcastic (and laughably untrue) claims from GGW sycophants, people are fine eating outside on Connecticut Avenue, but for some reason it is not happening in this one location that recently got a drastic alteration under the promise that it would encourage more streetside activity. In this regard, it's an absolute failure.

Are you arguing that the outdoor dining along CT is packed from 4-6PM on weekdays? It only ever seems "busy" outside of rush hour, wonder why that is?

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Anonymous wrote:I drove past the new Cleveland Park pedestrian zone last night at around 5:30. You know, the one that was supposed to revitalize that retail strip? It was a beautiful night. There were literally three people on it, and two of them were camped out outside the 7-11. There was no outdoor dining, there was no huge pedestrian presence, no one was patronizing any of the stores or restaurants. Completely desolate at 5:30 on a beautiful evening, and that's not the first time I've noticed how dead it is.

I'm absolutely surprised no one wants to do outdoor dining next to one of the busiest "stroads" in the city during rush hour. This is the fundamental problem of this strip that can't be fixed with a few bike lanes or parking tweaks. Its a fundamentally bad design, that has to compete with better designed places like the Wharf and Union Market. As more and better places for people are developed in the city and region, the worse things are going to get here.

This statement is 10000 percent untrue, and you know it. There is outdoor dining up and down Connecticut Avenue, but not on the newly pedestrianized stretch in Cleveland Park. Hell, there is outdoor dining *directly across the street* from the new pedestrian zone. So yes, despite sarcastic (and laughably untrue) claims from GGW sycophants, people are fine eating outside on Connecticut Avenue, but for some reason it is not happening in this one location that recently got a drastic alteration under the promise that it would encourage more streetside activity. In this regard, it's an absolute failure.

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Anonymous wrote:I drove past the new Cleveland Park pedestrian zone last night at around 5:30. You know, the one that was supposed to revitalize that retail strip? It was a beautiful night. There were literally three people on it, and two of them were camped out outside the 7-11. There was no outdoor dining, there was no huge pedestrian presence, no one was patronizing any of the stores or restaurants. Completely desolate at 5:30 on a beautiful evening, and that's not the first time I've noticed how dead it is.

I'm absolutely surprised no one wants to do outdoor dining next to one of the busiest "stroads" in the city during rush hour. This is the fundamental problem of this strip that can't be fixed with a few bike lanes or parking tweaks. Its a fundamentally bad design, that has to compete with better designed places like the Wharf and Union Market. As more and better places for people are developed in the city and region, the worse things are going to get here.

Anonymous wrote:I drove past the new Cleveland Park pedestrian zone last night at around 5:30. You know, the one that was supposed to revitalize that retail strip? It was a beautiful night. There were literally three people on it, and two of them were camped out outside the 7-11. There was no outdoor dining, there was no huge pedestrian presence, no one was patronizing any of the stores or restaurants. Completely desolate at 5:30 on a beautiful evening, and that's not the first time I've noticed how dead it is.

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Anonymous wrote:just another data point

Someone make a meme where drivers and cyclists fight while a walker just looks depressed.

Yup - two different independent studies of Cleveland Park found that only 10% of customers were arriving by car - both studies found 80% of customers were arriving on foot.

In fairness bike lanes really do benefit pedestrians by getting bikes (and scooters) off of sidewalks.

1. According to official data there's nowhere near enough bicyclists for there to be any benefit to pedestrians. Perhaps in other parts of town there is but not there.

2. The level of disingenuity in that "survey" is off the charts. Most customers arrive by walking from their car parked in the neighborhood. Under the metrics of those "surveys" those people are included in the 80%. People only count as arriving by car in that survey if they parked directly on Connecticut in front of the business they were patronizing.

Haha is this true? What a joke! Only like four cars parked at a time in front of a business. Of course everyone else ‘walks’.

Anonymous wrote:I drove past the new Cleveland Park pedestrian zone last night at around 5:30. You know, the one that was supposed to revitalize that retail strip? It was a beautiful night. There were literally three people on it, and two of them were camped out outside the 7-11. There was no outdoor dining, there was no huge pedestrian presence, no one was patronizing any of the stores or restaurants. Completely desolate at 5:30 on a beautiful evening, and that's not the first time I've noticed how dead it is.

Anonymous wrote:Is one of these surveys the Mary Cheh sponsored one?