Anonymous
Post 11/14/2017 07:24     Subject: Roy Moore the Pedophile
Anonymous wrote:Why suddenly now?
Forty years later?

What's the most recent allegation?


I know you and others despise the Washington Post. But the reporter was just doing what a good journalist does - following a story. She heard the rumors and did the painstaking work to track down the allegations. Why now? Because Moore is poised to burst onto the national stage - be one of 100 senators. A better question is why the Alabama press didn't track down the story years ago. It was clearly out there. Alabama journalists are corroborating the story now.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Our founders understood that freedom of the press is paramount in our democracy. One of the most anti-democratic things that we are seeing today is villifying the press. Sure, fact check them. Call them on bias. But when you let your agenda cloud facts (like in this case, this was a well sourced story - the reporter's bias, if any, doesn't change that fact), you are undermining our democracy.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2017 07:22     Subject: Roy Moore the Pedophile
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Everyone always doubts the victim" is a blatant LIE.
Don't be a ridiculous LIAR.

Do you sincerely not believe that/understand how victims are doubted?

The public opinion interrogations of these and similar victims tells you what you need to know, essentially rationalizing the assault/misconduct:
-“she had been drinking”
-“what was she wearing?”
-“if this was real, she would have reported it years ago”
-“but he has such great swim times”

And on and on and on.


DP here. As far as the bolded goes, people would be A LOT less likely to doubt someone who didn't wait 40 years to report a sexual assault. I don't doubt these women. But I understand how others might, given the DECADES that have passed. People are far more likely to believe a victim if the victim reports the crime immediately. And that goes for any kind of crime, not just sexual assault. Don't we want to prosecute these people? THEN REPORT!!!


Your argument would have more strength if there was only one accuser. Here there are now 5, with evidence (what grown-ass man signs a high schooler's schoolbook if he's not a teacher?) and plenty of corroboration.



And these are the super strong ones with the courage to speak out and go on the record knowing low-lives would try to smear them. There are probably many more out there in the keeping their silence.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2017 07:20     Subject: Roy Moore the Pedophile
Anonymous wrote:Why suddenly now?
Forty years later?

What's the most recent allegation?


Go read the NYT or WaPo, then come back when you have something to add to the conversation.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2017 07:19     Subject: Roy Moore the Pedophile
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just wish one single person had reported something in 40 years.


THIS. I feel for these girls, now women. But why oh why couldn't they have reported this EARLIER?? Then, perhaps, this guy could have been prosecuted. The worst that will happen to him is that his political career is ruined.

Exactly. WaPo needs their candidate to win.
No matter what.


Assume for a minute that is true. So what? He still behaved the way he did, and if you voted for him, you're supporting a pedophile.

Half his defenders don't even deny it. They make excuses based on the Bible or arguments like you're making. You're rationalizing.

The other way of looking at this is why didn't local press expose it years ago? Because ... why? Complicit?

It's true. He's a sexual predator and a pervert. Who cares if The Post doesn't want him to win -- I don't want him to win either. Not because he's a Republican, but because he's clearly a deplorable and despicable human being. There's no air conditioning where he's going in the afterlife -- and I don't want him in the United States Congress, either.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2017 07:19     Subject: Roy Moore the Pedophile
Anonymous wrote:Beverly Nelson was in the same high school class as Moore’s future wife, Kayla Kisor. Makes you wonder.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/beverly_young_nelson_remembere.html#incart_river_index_topics


rumor is that he first met Kayla when she was underage as well.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2017 07:17     Subject: Roy Moore the Pedophile
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Everyone always doubts the victim" is a blatant LIE.
Don't be a ridiculous LIAR.

Do you sincerely not believe that/understand how victims are doubted?

The public opinion interrogations of these and similar victims tells you what you need to know, essentially rationalizing the assault/misconduct:
-“she had been drinking”
-“what was she wearing?”
-“if this was real, she would have reported it years ago”
-“but he has such great swim times”

And on and on and on.


DP here. As far as the bolded goes, people would be A LOT less likely to doubt someone who didn't wait 40 years to report a sexual assault. I don't doubt these women. But I understand how others might, given the DECADES that have passed. People are far more likely to believe a victim if the victim reports the crime immediately. And that goes for any kind of crime, not just sexual assault. Don't we want to prosecute these people? THEN REPORT!!!


Your argument would have more strength if there was only one accuser. Here there are now 5, with evidence (what grown-ass man signs a high schooler's schoolbook if he's not a teacher?) and plenty of corroboration.

Anonymous
Post 11/14/2017 07:13     Subject: Roy Moore the Pedophile
Why suddenly now?
Forty years later?

What's the most recent allegation?
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2017 07:12     Subject: Roy Moore the Pedophile
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
If so many people knew about these crimes, why didn't a single one of them ever mention it in writing?

You know... a paper trail??

Nothing. Why?



Some victims don’t tell anyone, even close confidants, and when they do tell they may insist on the confidence of the friends or family they tell.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a0724e5e4b0cc46c52e6ae6


Even as older mature adults, not one victim stepped up...
until his Democrat opponent was trailing by 9 points.

Um, nice.


How does the timing of the accusations refute them factually? Please explain.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2017 07:11     Subject: Roy Moore the Pedophile
Anonymous wrote:Conservative media going full bore with bogus conspiracy theories around this - Gateway Pundit made a false accusation that one of the women was paid $1000 to come forward. Turns out that's false. https://www.snopes.com/did-washington-post-offer-accuse-roy-moore/


And the original (fake) tweet said she was paid "1000$". No American writes like that. It wasn't even a credible fake! How stupid are these people.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2017 06:56     Subject: Roy Moore the Pedophile
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
If so many people knew about these crimes, why didn't a single one of them ever mention it in writing?

You know... a paper trail??

Nothing. Why?



Some victims don’t tell anyone, even close confidants, and when they do tell they may insist on the confidence of the friends or family they tell.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a0724e5e4b0cc46c52e6ae6


Even as older mature adults, not one victim stepped up...
until his Democrat opponent was trailing by 9 points.

Um, nice.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2017 06:51     Subject: Roy Moore the Pedophile
Conservative media going full bore with bogus conspiracy theories around this - Gateway Pundit made a false accusation that one of the women was paid $1000 to come forward. Turns out that's false. https://www.snopes.com/did-washington-post-offer-accuse-roy-moore/
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2017 01:27     Subject: Roy Moore the Pedophile
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just wish one single person had reported something in 40 years.


THIS. I feel for these girls, now women. But why oh why couldn't they have reported this EARLIER?? Then, perhaps, this guy could have been prosecuted. The worst that will happen to him is that his political career is ruined.


If you can’t had it happen to you, you will never understand. That there is often a significant power imbalance. A child vs an adult. A powerful member of the community vs a kid. That if you are never had a sexual relationship, and you live in a culture where talking about sex is taboo, you may not understand at the time what just happened. That you are embarrassed to talk about it or you may not know how to talk about it, or who it is safe to talk to, Especially if sex isn’t talked about openly in your family or in your society. That you are ashamed that you were treated that way. That you are afraid you won’t be believed. That’s you are afraid you could get in trouble. That you are afraid that you might somehow be to blame. That you are completely humiliated Sexual abuse is emotionally complicated in a way other crimes are not. And if you add in religious beliefs that make encourage sexual repression and a power imbalance, it is even worse. So you push it down and try to forget it happened. But it just doesn’t go away.

I was molested as a tween. I was brought up in a conservative religious environment in the south, and we did not talk about sex. Ever. It took me 25 years to tell a therapist. In my mid 40s, my husband, my mother and my sister know, plus my BFF of 20 years know I was molested. But I still can’t talk about the details out loud. And if my abuser was running for office, I doubt I would be brave enough to come forward. And even if I was, I would hesitate, since I now have children, and I would not want them to have to deal with knowing.

A lot of people are telling you that I’m many cases it just is not as easy as a 12 or 13 or 14 year old telling mom and calling the police. Maybe rather than telling victims how they should feel, and what they should have done, listen when they tell you that sexual assault can be very different than other crimes.



THIS. I was fortunately not molested but was approached daily by a predator from age 12-13. He knew my schedule, my (Metro) bus stop, my school. Usually, interactions with him were across the street from our home with my mom usually inside and getting ready for work. This guy would beg me to get into his car and promise to take me to McDonalds before school. I blamed myself for not reporting it sooner and feared getting in trouble if I did. Yes, I find that totally ridiculous now as an adult, but my 12-13yo mind just hoped for the problem to go away. In my mind, my only recourse was to leave for school extra early to avoid him. On days when I wasn't out of the house sooner, I blamed myself for the interactions. I was a DC kid who was exposed to alot growing up, yet I still didn't know how to handle this. About 1/3 of my friends were molested as young girls. I was one of the lucky ones.
Anonymous
Post 11/14/2017 00:10     Subject: Roy Moore the Pedophile
Anonymous wrote:Beverly Young Nelson. 15.


Anonymous
Post 11/14/2017 00:05     Subject: Roy Moore the Pedophile
The man wore Hush Puppies.
Anonymous
Post 11/13/2017 23:58     Subject: Roy Moore the Pedophile
Beverly Nelson was in the same high school class as Moore’s future wife, Kayla Kisor. Makes you wonder.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/beverly_young_nelson_remembere.html#incart_river_index_topics