Anonymous
Post 03/15/2015 10:36     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
Anonymous wrote:
If the theme of the movie were that the Common Core standards are not going to make anything better, this thread wouldn't be on p. 136.


Data please.


Sure. Read pp. 1-135.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2015 10:35     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
If the theme of the movie were that the Common Core standards are not going to make anything better, this thread wouldn't be on p. 136.



Data please.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2015 10:34     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
The theme of the movie is that everything bad in education somehow is caused by the Common Core standards, and therefore getting rid of the Common Core standards will make everything better.



No, that's not the theme. The theme is that things are not great (and that definitely was not caused by CC), but that CC is not going to make anything better.




It's not an American made movie.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2015 10:33     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
Anonymous wrote:
The theme of the movie is that everything bad in education somehow is caused by the Common Core standards, and therefore getting rid of the Common Core standards will make everything better.


No, that's not the theme. The theme is that things are not great (and that definitely was not caused by CC), but that CC is not going to make anything better.


If the theme of the movie were that the Common Core standards are not going to make anything better, this thread wouldn't be on p. 136.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2015 10:33     Subject: "Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests


In some areas the theme is that everything was great and NCLB was never needed, but don't distract us from our fight against NCLB mandated testing by throwing CC into the mix. We're doing fine without all of that.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2015 10:31     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
The theme of the movie is that everything bad in education somehow is caused by the Common Core standards, and therefore getting rid of the Common Core standards will make everything better.



No, that's not the theme. The theme is that things are not great (and that definitely was not caused by CC), but that CC is not going to make anything better.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2015 10:27     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
Anonymous wrote:
But now you have to back up. Why are you so certain that the Common Core materials will not work for the students you are talking about? And why do you think that the administrators might spend money on other materials that would work?


I've seen this movie one time too many.


Yes, me too. And you know I've never seen in that movie? Solid arguments about the badness of the Common Core standards. The theme of the movie is that everything bad in education somehow is caused by the Common Core standards, and therefore getting rid of the Common Core standards will make everything better. It's not, and it won't.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2015 10:24     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
Anonymous wrote:
There will always be the next new big thing. That's how it seems to work, in education. So why are you going to so much trouble to fight the Common Core standards?


Because we need to move on to the next big thing THAT WORKS.


Fighting against the Common Core standards is not going to get anybody to move on to the next big thing THAT WORKS. If that's what you want, then you should fight FOR the next big thing THAT WORKS (whatever that would be -- what do you think it would be?).
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2015 10:23     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
But now you have to back up. Why are you so certain that the Common Core materials will not work for the students you are talking about? And why do you think that the administrators might spend money on other materials that would work?


I've seen this movie one time too many.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2015 10:21     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
There will always be the next new big thing. That's how it seems to work, in education. So why are you going to so much trouble to fight the Common Core standards?



Because we need to move on to the next big thing THAT WORKS.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2015 10:21     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
Anonymous wrote:
That means that you should make sure that your school district's approved materials are good, and/or that you should persuade your school district to allow teachers to develop and use their own materials. Or at least, that's what I think it means. What do you think it means?


I think it means we should fight Common Core because if we have CC, the administrators will be pressured to buy only CC materials for us. If we don't have CC, we have a fighting chance of having enough money to get other materials that work for our students.


But now you have to back up. Why are you so certain that the Common Core materials will not work for the students you are talking about? And why do you think that the administrators might spend money on other materials that would work?
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2015 10:19     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
Anonymous wrote:
Most of the money spent on the Common Core standards has already been spent. That's water under the bridge.

And again -- the point is that the Common Core standards are NOT going to lead to doom and disaster.


typical mediocrity thinking


What is mediocre about thinking that money that has been spent has been spent? What would you do that's ambitious? Would you go back in time and unspend it?
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2015 10:19     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
That means that you should make sure that your school district's approved materials are good, and/or that you should persuade your school district to allow teachers to develop and use their own materials. Or at least, that's what I think it means. What do you think it means?



I think it means we should fight Common Core because if we have CC, the administrators will be pressured to buy only CC materials for us. If we don't have CC, we have a fighting chance of having enough money to get other materials that work for our students.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2015 10:18     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
Anonymous wrote:
As for teachers, actually my child's teachers in first, second, and third grade (so far), who have all been good, experienced teachers, think that the Common Core standards are pretty good. Their doubts come from the fact that they have seen plenty of educational reforms come and go, which is enough to make any reasonable person cynical about any educational reforms.


Common Core will go too.


I'm certain that it will. There will always be the next new big thing. That's how it seems to work, in education. So why are you going to so much trouble to fight the Common Core standards?
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2015 10:17     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
As for teachers, actually my child's teachers in first, second, and third grade (so far), who have all been good, experienced teachers, think that the Common Core standards are pretty good. Their doubts come from the fact that they have seen plenty of educational reforms come and go, which is enough to make any reasonable person cynical about any educational reforms.



Common Core will go too.