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Anonymous wrote:So it wasn't FA, it wasn't heat related, they weren't unprepared for the hike, they aren't bad parents.

Something killed them, maybe the toxic algae, maybe something related to growers.

That's not what they said at all.

Please tell us what they said.

They said the pathologist is awaiting complete toxicology results before releasing any conclusions.

Concluding it was toxic algae and only toxic algae based on its existence in the river is not different from saying it was heat and only heat based only on it having a high temperature of 109. Actually the latter conclusion would be more logical given many people die every year from heat and there is maybe one death attributed to algae.

Oh, you're back to blaming the victim. "Bad parenting" killed them.

Oh no.. I'm back to you're a hypocrite

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Anonymous wrote:So it wasn't FA, it wasn't heat related, they weren't unprepared for the hike, they aren't bad parents.

Something killed them, maybe the toxic algae, maybe something related to growers.

That's not what they said at all.

Please tell us what they said.

They said the pathologist is awaiting complete toxicology results before releasing any conclusions.

Concluding it was toxic algae and only toxic algae based on its existence in the river is not different from saying it was heat and only heat based only on it having a high temperature of 109. Actually the latter conclusion would be more logical given many people die every year from heat and there is maybe one death attributed to algae.

Oh, you're back to blaming the victim. "Bad parenting" killed them.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So it wasn't FA, it wasn't heat related, they weren't unprepared for the hike, they aren't bad parents.

Something killed them, maybe the toxic algae, maybe something related to growers.

That's not what they said at all.

Please tell us what they said.

They said the pathologist is awaiting complete toxicology results before releasing any conclusions.

Concluding it was toxic algae and only toxic algae based on its existence in the river is not different from saying it was heat and only heat based only on it having a high temperature of 109. Actually the latter conclusion would be more logical given many people die every year from heat and there is maybe one death attributed to algae.

NYT is keeping this story going...
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/03/us/sierra-national-forest-family-death-hazards.html?smid=url-share

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Anonymous wrote:So it wasn't FA, it wasn't heat related, they weren't unprepared for the hike, they aren't bad parents.

Something killed them, maybe the toxic algae, maybe something related to growers.

That's not what they said at all.

Please tell us what they said.

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Anonymous wrote:Going for a recreational hike anywhere when it's 95+ outside is not a good idea. Look at all the people they have to rescue from bill goat trail near the Potomac every year.

95+ here with humidity is 1000x worse than 105+ with no humidity.

Except that, as has been posted multiple times on this thread, it was unusually humid as well as unusually hot when they set out on 8/15. The relative humidity was 47% at 8:00 am that day. By 11:00 am it was 99 degrees and 22% relative humidity. The lowest humidity point during the day, at 3:00 pm was 16%, when it was 109. Absolutely miserable, beastly weather anyway you slice it.

Huh? That’s is a dry heat.

https://www.weather.gov/epz/wxcalc_heatindex

99 & 22% feels like 96.9
109 & 16% feels like 107.3

Or maybe even less according to this chart:

I mean it's only "Extreme Caution" or "Danger" ... practically a cool spring day.

The point was dry heat is better than swampy DC humidity, which is what the graph shows. The air temp actually feels COOLER with low humidity.

So that poor family was poisoned ?

1. So the authorities have stated the family was well prepared for the hike.
2 .We don't know the timeline for the hike although a witness places them in the area at around 7:45am.
3. We don't know if they meant to do the short easier trail or the tough one, what side of the trail they started on, or how much of the trail they planned to hike.
4. They had done other desert hikes and ought to have known more or less what to expect with dry and hot conditions.
5. They lived in the area, so they should have known what to expect the weather to be that day, and probably knew the area had no sheltering foliage due to previous wildfires.

6. Authorities closed off the trails due to hazards they have encountered in that area.
7. Sheriff stated an extremely toxic algae bloom is present in the river. The toxins can become airborne.
8. He also mentioned a large illegal drug grower is operating in that area. Some posters here have mentioned the illegal growers are known to booby trap their operations.
9. If the FBI is involved I'd think that means there is a criminal angle involved?

I haven't clicked on the official announcement. What else do we know at this point?

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Going for a recreational hike anywhere when it's 95+ outside is not a good idea. Look at all the people they have to rescue from bill goat trail near the Potomac every year.

95+ here with humidity is 1000x worse than 105+ with no humidity.

Except that, as has been posted multiple times on this thread, it was unusually humid as well as unusually hot when they set out on 8/15. The relative humidity was 47% at 8:00 am that day. By 11:00 am it was 99 degrees and 22% relative humidity. The lowest humidity point during the day, at 3:00 pm was 16%, when it was 109. Absolutely miserable, beastly weather anyway you slice it.

Huh? That’s is a dry heat.

https://www.weather.gov/epz/wxcalc_heatindex

99 & 22% feels like 96.9
109 & 16% feels like 107.3

Or maybe even less according to this chart:

I mean it's only "Extreme Caution" or "Danger" ... practically a cool spring day.

Anonymous wrote:So it wasn't FA, it wasn't heat related, they weren't unprepared for the hike, they aren't bad parents.

Something killed them, maybe the toxic algae, maybe something related to growers.

That's not what they said at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Going for a recreational hike anywhere when it's 95+ outside is not a good idea. Look at all the people they have to rescue from bill goat trail near the Potomac every year.

This is absolutely not true in low humidity areas. I live in Northern California and hike all summer in 95+ temperatures. Be smart in choosing your hikes and carry plenty of water and you'll be fine.

People die every month in 'low humidity areas' while hiking in 90F - 100F weather. A woman hiking with an experienced date just died in Phoenix, Arizona.
https://www.azfamily.com/news/woman-who-died-hiking-camelback-mountain-was-with-phoenix-officer/article_c5da8612-f340-11eb-a3a8-57a0ab85303a.html

I'm in the heatstroke camp, but I don't think this is a good comparison. The woman who died in AZ had just flown in from Boston, which can lead to dehydration. Neither she or her date brought water with them and he abandoned her partway through the short hike.

Agree. I would not be surprised if alcohol wasn’t also a factor.

I’m a big hiker and I don’t know any serious hikers that drink before or during a hike. Maybe afterwards to celebrate a strenuous hike, but not during.

Same. I also don’t drink the night before a strenuous hike. I was referring to the woman in Arizona who died hiking after a flight from Boston.

Okay you cannot call yourself an experience hiker and not bring water with you on a hike in Arizona. Also abandoning your partner is a big no no

I know it's totally off topic, but they were hiking on a date and he just left her halfway through? So weird.

The guy, while not criminally responsible for her death, is an incredible douche canoe any way you look at it. He was a Phoenix police officer and already on some sort of probation for lying about a criminal matter and his story about this poor lady's tragic death also changed a number of times. I haven't followed up on it recently, but I hope he's out of a job. He has no business being an LEO.

Sorry! accidentally embedded my comment in the quote block.

That slope is unsuitable for a grow operation. No water, no shade, hikers.

So it wasn't FA, it wasn't heat related, they weren't unprepared for the hike, they aren't bad parents.

Something killed them, maybe the toxic algae, maybe something related to growers.

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Anonymous wrote:Mariposa Sheriff gave a brief update on Facebook, it starts at around the 12:30 mark. He mentioned many agencies are involved in the case including the FBI. They also tested the water which came back positive for high levels of Anna Toxin A. Not sure what that is.
But before that update, he mentioned a really huge marijuana bust.

https://m.facebook.com/mariposacountysheriff/videos/inside-the-office-with-sheriff-jeremy-briese/225952372690500/?refsrc=deprecated&_rdr

I watched it. It wasn’t clear if he meant the water in their bottles or water in the river. It sounded like the latter. He goes from the poisonous algae blooms to the test results.

Wow so it WAS THE ALGAE BLOOM. Holy crap.

The toxin, called anatoxin-a (ATX) or Very Fast Death Factor (no, we're not kidding), does what it says on the tin - kills things fast. If you are unfortunate enough to be exposed it can cause a loss of coordination, paralysis, or death in humans and other animals.

"ATX is one of the more dangerous cyanotoxins produced by harmful algal blooms, which are becoming more predominant in lakes and ponds worldwide due to global warming and climate change," explains first author James Sutherland from the Nantucket Land Council.

No, it may not have been the algae bloom. ATX is all over the world and "maybe" 1 person has died from it. That person was sick for 2 days before they died. Obviously they may have ingested it (maybe tried to filter the water?). But it is still unheard of for someone to succumb to ATX much less more than one and quickly.

I bet the reason they closed the area is mostly because of the wacky tabacky bust. They got in there and found a ton of grow operations.