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Anonymous wrote:What I would like to know is how feeding the gators, which is clearly illegal and I fully don't condone, contributed to this particular attack. It seems to me the gator acted in its natural element--attacking small prey, at night, in shallow water. I could see if the gator approached humans on the sandy beach or in the shallows at daytime, but this alligator attack appears to be typical gator behavior. Could someone please help me understand this? If not fed, would the gators typically move on from the bay completely?

Feeding alligators or any wild animal makes them unafraid of humans. Instead of moving away from a crowded beach, the alligator moved towards it.

I hope Disney is adding signs that tell visitors that feeding the alligators is illegal, while they're adding the alligator warning signs.

Man that is an ugly sign.
They won the battle maybe, but lost the war. If they had added signs preemptively, they could have been prettier Disney-er, even funny or entertaining signs.

That particular stretch looks pretty natural with the rocks and grass...like there would be wildlife, like snapping turtles and snakes, swimming in the water.

That section is clearly over near the wedding pavilion. You can see it right there in the background. The part that is in question is right off the Grand Floridian hotel and/or Polynesian hotel. There is, in fact, a proper beach with sand and wading area that is crystal clear. It does not look like an icky lake. There are lounge chairs to encourage parents to hang out there and they sell shovels and pails inside the hotels to encourage little ones to dig on the beach.

Who are you people who keep equating lounge chairs to being able to wade in water? Lounge chairs are for sitting, to me they do not mean there is an open invitation to wade in the water.

Also, the lake in the photo is the same lake as the "beach" area with "clear water" - do you think the water is any different at the rocky area than it is at the beachy area... same water.

When you go to Lake Needwood or Seneca Lake, which both have "beaches", do you wade in or does the water look gross to you? I am still not understanding the connection between wading and beach chairs... SIT and ENJOY THE SCENERY, DO PLAY WITH THE SAND... DO NOT GO IN THE WATER.

I'm the PP, and I literally just returned from Disney a few weeks ago. I keep mentioning the lounge chairs because they were literally about 2-3 feet from the water's edge. Placed so close so you could dip your feet in. Yes, the water looked different in the "beach" areas than it did from the "rocky" areas.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting. This thread now runs to 131 pages. The one on the mass shooting to 52. Were the fifty people who were mercilessly gunned down at Pulse nightclub more or less of a tragedy then the death of this poor boy?

A kid dying at Disney is a "man bites dog" story. It's weird and attracts attention. Plus, it gives people stuff to argue about: are the parents at fault? is Disney at fault?

The Pulse shooting is just another mass shooting. They are common-place in the US. It's the same-old, same-old arguments. Gun controls, religion, immigration.

As someone who works in criminal justice, that just makes me not want to go to work. Just....fuck.

Sad but pp is right. Many have become numb to it.

Next time a mass shooter takes out a school full of kids, they should bring an alligator with them. Seems Americans don't care if you kill a bunch of kids with a gun, but GOD FORBID if an alligator kills a kid. That just gets you all kinds of angry.

+1. I hope everyone wants warning signs on schools and movie theaters now..."ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK, RISK OF BEING SHOT BY A MASS SHOOTER"

+100000

So dumb.

Not every school, gay club, etc. has a shooter inside. Whereas all those mucky lagoons do apparently have alligators in them. Thus, the danger is real if you dip your toes in the water.

Duh.

But clearly, given that millions of children have played on those "beaches", the vast majority of alligators at Disney are not the type to snatch small children, just like the vast majority of people at clubs, schools, and movie theaters are not the type to shoot strangers.

You forgot the duh, but I am assuming you are just a nicer person than pp.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting. This thread now runs to 131 pages. The one on the mass shooting to 52. Were the fifty people who were mercilessly gunned down at Pulse nightclub more or less of a tragedy then the death of this poor boy?

A kid dying at Disney is a "man bites dog" story. It's weird and attracts attention. Plus, it gives people stuff to argue about: are the parents at fault? is Disney at fault?

The Pulse shooting is just another mass shooting. They are common-place in the US. It's the same-old, same-old arguments. Gun controls, religion, immigration.

As someone who works in criminal justice, that just makes me not want to go to work. Just....fuck.

Sad but pp is right. Many have become numb to it.

Next time a mass shooter takes out a school full of kids, they should bring an alligator with them. Seems Americans don't care if you kill a bunch of kids with a gun, but GOD FORBID if an alligator kills a kid. That just gets you all kinds of angry.

+1. I hope everyone wants warning signs on schools and movie theaters now..."ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK, RISK OF BEING SHOT BY A MASS SHOOTER"

+100000

So dumb.

Not every school, gay club, etc. has a shooter inside. Whereas all those mucky lagoons do apparently have alligators in them. Thus, the danger is real if you dip your toes in the water.

Duh.

But clearly, given that millions of children have played on those "beaches", the vast majority of alligators at Disney are not the type to snatch small children, just like the vast majority of people at clubs, schools, and movie theaters are not the type to shoot strangers.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting. This thread now runs to 131 pages. The one on the mass shooting to 52. Were the fifty people who were mercilessly gunned down at Pulse nightclub more or less of a tragedy then the death of this poor boy?

A kid dying at Disney is a "man bites dog" story. It's weird and attracts attention. Plus, it gives people stuff to argue about: are the parents at fault? is Disney at fault?

The Pulse shooting is just another mass shooting. They are common-place in the US. It's the same-old, same-old arguments. Gun controls, religion, immigration.

As someone who works in criminal justice, that just makes me not want to go to work. Just....fuck.

Sad but pp is right. Many have become numb to it.

Next time a mass shooter takes out a school full of kids, they should bring an alligator with them. Seems Americans don't care if you kill a bunch of kids with a gun, but GOD FORBID if an alligator kills a kid. That just gets you all kinds of angry.

+1. I hope everyone wants warning signs on schools and movie theaters now..."ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK, RISK OF BEING SHOT BY A MASS SHOOTER"

+100000

So dumb.

Not every school, gay club, etc. has a shooter inside. Whereas all those mucky lagoons do apparently have alligators in them. Thus, the danger is real if you dip your toes in the water.

Duh.

Anonymous wrote:Well, someone wants to make money out of this by creating a Halloween costume:

http://heyfrase.com/the-disney-inspired-halloween-costume-everyone-is-furious-about/

I bet Trump supporters will buy it. They are all for big business.

Well, someone wants to make money out of this by creating a Halloween costume:

http://heyfrase.com/the-disney-inspired-halloween-costume-everyone-is-furious-about/

The fault is Disney's in this instance. They needed to have warning signs everywhere. I remember going to Cape Canaveral 15 years ago and they had warned people from going near even the drains that were a few inches deep, that ran parallel to the roads because of cottonmouths.

I hope the parents sue Disney for millions. I am a long time Disney fan and this has really shaken me up.

I always believed that there were alligators in every ditch in Florida and would not allow my kids to stand close to the lake when they started the fireworks and light display at the end of every night. Everyone would laugh and tell me that Disney takes care of these things and everything is safe inside Disney. No, it is not. Nature will find a way and there is no way Disney can block off all entry to such a vast theme park. It is not Disney for these critters, it is habitat.

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Anonymous wrote:Arguing with the die hard Floridians who don't see what's wrong since they are from there and alligators are everywhere is futile. They just don't get it and never will. Of course, Floridians are not known for being the sharpest knife in the U.S. regardless.

If only they could be as smart as you, spouting off inaccurate facts about the state you don't live in and then arguing they don't know,what they are talking about when they correct you.

No, these people are taking great pride in their own ignorance and claiming that it is the duty of everyone else in the world to protect them from it. I don't blame the parents for this, but I also do not believe that Disney is responsible for protecting everyone on their grounds who may choose to ignore a "no swimming" sign from naturally occurring fauna. There are such things as accidents. They happen, and sometimes no one is to blame.

Again, not a naturally occuring fauna. A fauna occuring because of Disney.

An inviting beach occuring because of Disney. Lounge chairs, sand pails, and other beach stuff put there by Disney. Outdoor events taking place on said beach occuring by Disney.

The entire place - Disneyworld - is a cement jungle. There are barriers everywhere to keep people out. Warning signs everywhere, except for this.

Nope. You are clueless.

My childhood home was near a man made lake, and we all knew that there could be alligators in there. Every first grader in Florida knows that where there is fresh water, there could be an alligator.

As a native Floridian, one would think you might know that many who visit Disney every year are what's called "tourists." That means, in case you don't know, that they come from someplace else! Someplace, for example, that has no alligators. Or that has crocodiles and so they would expect a freshwater lake or even a man made lagoon to have no huge reptiles at all.

Maybe. But it seems to me to be common knowledge that there are alligators in Florida, just as it is common knowledge that there are bears in Yellowstone.

Or that generally - there are things that can f*** with you in any habitat - whether it be sharks or water moccasins or mountain lions etc.

If they are from Nebraska they are used to lakes that look like this water and would not think twice about wading in water with algae on the bottom, especially with the white sand beach, lounge chairs and water toys Disney gave to kids for building sand castles.

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Anonymous wrote:What I would like to know is how feeding the gators, which is clearly illegal and I fully don't condone, contributed to this particular attack. It seems to me the gator acted in its natural element--attacking small prey, at night, in shallow water. I could see if the gator approached humans on the sandy beach or in the shallows at daytime, but this alligator attack appears to be typical gator behavior. Could someone please help me understand this? If not fed, would the gators typically move on from the bay completely?

Feeding alligators or any wild animal makes them unafraid of humans. Instead of moving away from a crowded beach, the alligator moved towards it.

I hope Disney is adding signs that tell visitors that feeding the alligators is illegal, while they're adding the alligator warning signs.

Man that is an ugly sign.
They won the battle maybe, but lost the war. If they had added signs preemptively, they could have been prettier Disney-er, even funny or entertaining signs.

That particular stretch looks pretty natural with the rocks and grass...like there would be wildlife, like snapping turtles and snakes, swimming in the water.

That section is clearly over near the wedding pavilion. You can see it right there in the background. The part that is in question is right off the Grand Floridian hotel and/or Polynesian hotel. There is, in fact, a proper beach with sand and wading area that is crystal clear. It does not look like an icky lake. There are lounge chairs to encourage parents to hang out there and they sell shovels and pails inside the hotels to encourage little ones to dig on the beach.

Who are you people who keep equating lounge chairs to being able to wade in water? Lounge chairs are for sitting, to me they do not mean there is an open invitation to wade in the water.

Also, the lake in the photo is the same lake as the "beach" area with "clear water" - do you think the water is any different at the rocky area than it is at the beachy area... same water.

When you go to Lake Needwood or Seneca Lake, which both have "beaches", do you wade in or does the water look gross to you? I am still not understanding the connection between wading and beach chairs... SIT and ENJOY THE SCENERY, DO PLAY WITH THE SAND... DO NOT GO IN THE WATER.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting. This thread now runs to 131 pages. The one on the mass shooting to 52. Were the fifty people who were mercilessly gunned down at Pulse nightclub more or less of a tragedy then the death of this poor boy?

A kid dying at Disney is a "man bites dog" story. It's weird and attracts attention. Plus, it gives people stuff to argue about: are the parents at fault? is Disney at fault?

The Pulse shooting is just another mass shooting. They are common-place in the US. It's the same-old, same-old arguments. Gun controls, religion, immigration.

As someone who works in criminal justice, that just makes me not want to go to work. Just....fuck.

Sad but pp is right. Many have become numb to it.

Next time a mass shooter takes out a school full of kids, they should bring an alligator with them. Seems Americans don't care if you kill a bunch of kids with a gun, but GOD FORBID if an alligator kills a kid. That just gets you all kinds of angry.

+1. I hope everyone wants warning signs on schools and movie theaters now..."ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK, RISK OF BEING SHOT BY A MASS SHOOTER"

+100000

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Anonymous wrote:What I would like to know is how feeding the gators, which is clearly illegal and I fully don't condone, contributed to this particular attack. It seems to me the gator acted in its natural element--attacking small prey, at night, in shallow water. I could see if the gator approached humans on the sandy beach or in the shallows at daytime, but this alligator attack appears to be typical gator behavior. Could someone please help me understand this? If not fed, would the gators typically move on from the bay completely?

Feeding alligators or any wild animal makes them unafraid of humans. Instead of moving away from a crowded beach, the alligator moved towards it.

I hope Disney is adding signs that tell visitors that feeding the alligators is illegal, while they're adding the alligator warning signs.

Man that is an ugly sign.
They won the battle maybe, but lost the war. If they had added signs preemptively, they could have been prettier Disney-er, even funny or entertaining signs.

That particular stretch looks pretty natural with the rocks and grass...like there would be wildlife, like snapping turtles and snakes, swimming in the water.

That section is clearly over near the wedding pavilion. You can see it right there in the background. The part that is in question is right off the Grand Floridian hotel and/or Polynesian hotel. There is, in fact, a proper beach with sand and wading area that is crystal clear. It does not look like an icky lake. There are lounge chairs to encourage parents to hang out there and they sell shovels and pails inside the hotels to encourage little ones to dig on the beach.

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Anonymous wrote: The range of the American alligator was posted earlier, it ranges along the coasts from North Carolina to Texas.

Which still leaves 42 states and however many countries that don't have gators.

And again, Disney. The point has been made repeatedly, but in a theme park/totally managed experience, how many would know that the lagoon is connected to water bodies, isn't patrolled and culled, etc? Damn, I wanted to blame the parents, too, and I am a nervous nellie so I wouldn't let my kids at water's edge at dusk anywhere, but come on.

Quoted range PP here and I totally agree with you. Disney can't expect their guests from all over the world to know that there may be alligators in a man-made lake that they are encouraging people to congregate around at dusk. I was just posting to answer the question about how many states have alligators.

Anonymous wrote: The range of the American alligator was posted earlier, it ranges along the coasts from North Carolina to Texas.

Which still leaves 42 states and however many countries that don't have gators.

And again, Disney. The point has been made repeatedly, but in a theme park/totally managed experience, how many would know that the lagoon is connected to water bodies, isn't patrolled and culled, etc? Damn, I wanted to blame the parents, too, and I am a nervous nellie so I wouldn't let my kids at water's edge at dusk anywhere, but come on.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting. This thread now runs to 131 pages. The one on the mass shooting to 52. Were the fifty people who were mercilessly gunned down at Pulse nightclub more or less of a tragedy then the death of this poor boy?

The other one is 52 pages of anguish. There are no trolls in it blaming the victims or their parents for the shootings. That's the difference.

Part of it is the fact that there is a readily identifiable evil-doer. Here it isn't so easy to cast aspersions and blame. Having someone to blame (or something) provides us with a sense of control and security. It isolated us from the sometimes frightening randomness and chaos of life.