Anonymous
04/02/2024 12:50
Subject: Re:Fairfax County Double Murder
https://imgur.com/a/w87p8fN
Here is an image of the safe where the second gun was retrieved. It appears to be a dial style safe. First, in the chaos of the moment, we are supposed to believe the AP can correctly dial in the combination quickly? Second, why would your AP ever need to know your gun safe combination? Was BB shouting it out to her? Did she already have it memorized? Was is conveniently left open that morning? A lot of questions.
Here is an image of the safe where the second gun was retrieved. It appears to be a dial style safe. First, in the chaos of the moment, we are supposed to believe the AP can correctly dial in the combination quickly? Second, why would your AP ever need to know your gun safe combination? Was BB shouting it out to her? Did she already have it memorized? Was is conveniently left open that morning? A lot of questions.
Anonymous
04/02/2024 12:22
Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What am I missing here- if BB fires the first shot, why on earth would he ask the AP to get another gun? Why wouldn’t he, the trained LE, fire the second? If in a juror, what possible reasoning is there for that?
Yep.
2 guns vs 1 knife (if you buy the bs story that JR was the one who actually stabbed CB)
Makes no sense. Even if they try to argue that JR was still alive and trying to fight back. A trained cop (BB) would have just shot him again.
Someone screwed up the original plan. I think AP was supposed to have been the only shooter but choked.
BB was clearly the one that stabbed CB. That takes a certain level of dedication to be able to pull off.
I wonder if AP screwed up original plan by coming back to the house for the lunches?
Are you suggesting that AP screwed up JR's plan to randomly stab some woman he had never met in person?
She just so happened to have recently been trained on how to shoot a gun! Perfect!
She also just so happened to have moved in to the dead woman's bed before it was even cold!
She's such a hero!
JR did not randomly stab anyone. AP screwed up BB's plot to kill the wife and blame the JR.
Then how would they have explained why they caught JR at the house in the first place? BB was supposedly out of the house as well. Coming back for the lunches makes it look like they just so happened to catch JR off guard. AP definitely was in on the plan. She never would have kept silent this long if she wasn't in on it from day 1.
Because Brendan was just around the corner having his daily thousand calorie breakfast at McDonald’s. He could’ve found any reason to come back home, forgot his laptop, forgot his gun, forgot to boink his AP before going to work, etc..
Anonymous
04/02/2024 12:14
Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What am I missing here- if BB fires the first shot, why on earth would he ask the AP to get another gun? Why wouldn’t he, the trained LE, fire the second? If in a juror, what possible reasoning is there for that?
Yep.
2 guns vs 1 knife (if you buy the bs story that JR was the one who actually stabbed CB)
Makes no sense. Even if they try to argue that JR was still alive and trying to fight back. A trained cop (BB) would have just shot him again.
Someone screwed up the original plan. I think AP was supposed to have been the only shooter but choked.
BB was clearly the one that stabbed CB. That takes a certain level of dedication to be able to pull off.
Agree he is the likely stabber.
BB is not going to confess. Forensics can't easily prove who was the stabber. They can try with angles, heights, etc. Without testimony from the only other living person there, will be hard to make that case against him imho.
Will be interesting to see if Ring cameras caught shots and timing of cars arriving back, etc. Shame they did not have Alexa, etc., that has been helpful re: evidence in other cases. That the 4 year old was in the house takes the depravity to the next level for sure.
Why do you say that forensics can't easily prove who the stabber is, PP? Wouldn't/shouldn't there be fingerprints and possibly some blood from the stabber (they often cut themselves during stabbings)?
A knife is easily wiped. Any injury could be explained by his "struggle" trying to save his wife's life. The room and BB were awash in blood, remember his heroically trying to administer "aid."
JR could have been induced to bring a knife as a prop for the "scene" as one PP speculated. Curious what happened to the knife and if it was found? Since the shooting case against AP is separate, we don't know much about the stabbing evidence. Very difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that BB was the stabber without testimony, imo.
Not to trigger anyone, but I did click on one of the Winger links. That case was solved in part by testimony of a woman Winger had been having an affair with prior to the murder who came forward after years. Winger got too arrogant and was trying to civilly sue the employer of the patsy he tried to frame. No testimony yet re: the stabbing. BB and AP may have kept their plans tight. The whole sequence of 2 shots and 2 guns is odd, but, still not proof the knife was in BB's hand.
Okay, but even if BB wiped the knife of prints, what evidence would there be that JR was the stabber as BB/AP claimed? Especially if no knife was found (how could a dead/incapacitated murderer disappear a knife?). Or are you saying that the scene was so bloody and chaotic that it would be very hard to prove exactly who did the stabbing?
Anonymous
04/02/2024 12:08
Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
BB could have wiped off fingerprints and staged knife in dying JR's hand. There are your forensics but doesn't implicate BB without his confession or AP flipping.
Anonymous
04/02/2024 12:07
Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What am I missing here- if BB fires the first shot, why on earth would he ask the AP to get another gun? Why wouldn’t he, the trained LE, fire the second? If in a juror, what possible reasoning is there for that?
Yep.
2 guns vs 1 knife (if you buy the bs story that JR was the one who actually stabbed CB)
Makes no sense. Even if they try to argue that JR was still alive and trying to fight back. A trained cop (BB) would have just shot him again.
Someone screwed up the original plan. I think AP was supposed to have been the only shooter but choked.
BB was clearly the one that stabbed CB. That takes a certain level of dedication to be able to pull off.
Agree he is the likely stabber.
BB is not going to confess. Forensics can't easily prove who was the stabber. They can try with angles, heights, etc. Without testimony from the only other living person there, will be hard to make that case against him imho.
Will be interesting to see if Ring cameras caught shots and timing of cars arriving back, etc. Shame they did not have Alexa, etc., that has been helpful re: evidence in other cases. That the 4 year old was in the house takes the depravity to the next level for sure.
Why do you say that forensics can't easily prove who the stabber is, PP? Wouldn't/shouldn't there be fingerprints and possibly some blood from the stabber (they often cut themselves during stabbings)?
A knife is easily wiped. Any injury could be explained by his "struggle" trying to save his wife's life. The room and BB were awash in blood, remember his heroically trying to administer "aid."
JR could have been induced to bring a knife as a prop for the "scene" as one PP speculated. Curious what happened to the knife and if it was found? Since the shooting case against AP is separate, we don't know much about the stabbing evidence. Very difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that BB was the stabber without testimony, imo.
Not to trigger anyone, but I did click on one of the Winger links. That case was solved in part by testimony of a woman Winger had been having an affair with prior to the murder who came forward after years. Winger got too arrogant and was trying to civilly sue the employer of the patsy he tried to frame. No testimony yet re: the stabbing. BB and AP may have kept their plans tight. The whole sequence of 2 shots and 2 guns is odd, but, still not proof the knife was in BB's hand.
Anonymous
04/02/2024 12:00
Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What am I missing here- if BB fires the first shot, why on earth would he ask the AP to get another gun? Why wouldn’t he, the trained LE, fire the second? If in a juror, what possible reasoning is there for that?
Yep.
2 guns vs 1 knife (if you buy the bs story that JR was the one who actually stabbed CB)
Makes no sense. Even if they try to argue that JR was still alive and trying to fight back. A trained cop (BB) would have just shot him again.
Someone screwed up the original plan. I think AP was supposed to have been the only shooter but choked.
BB was clearly the one that stabbed CB. That takes a certain level of dedication to be able to pull off.
Agree he is the likely stabber.
BB is not going to confess. Forensics can't easily prove who was the stabber. They can try with angles, heights, etc. Without testimony from the only other living person there, will be hard to make that case against him imho.
Will be interesting to see if Ring cameras caught shots and timing of cars arriving back, etc. Shame they did not have Alexa, etc., that has been helpful re: evidence in other cases. That the 4 year old was in the house takes the depravity to the next level for sure.
Why do you say that forensics can't easily prove who the stabber is, PP? Wouldn't/shouldn't there be fingerprints and possibly some blood from the stabber (they often cut themselves during stabbings)?
Anonymous
04/02/2024 11:53
Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:
If he is charged with shooting JR he can claim self defense, defense of wife, etc. I think they are likely right about it being a ruse and lure for a patsy but not sure how they get from that to probable cause re: him stabbing. Sounded like the EMT did not see the knife in the excellent reporting from attendees yesterday. Wonder what happened to it? Wonder if BB's leg "injury" was a slash? Even that could be explained in his "story
This really bums me out although PP is solid in their reasoning. After yesterday’s atrocious performance by BB I was hopeful that he was not going to slip justice.
Anonymous
04/02/2024 11:32
Subject: Re:Fairfax County Double Murder
Neighbor here. The daughter is very attached to BB. Can't imagine how devastating it will be for her after this is all said and done.
Anonymous
04/02/2024 11:23
Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I could see the plan being for each to take a shot. BB was more likely to be able to make a non instant kill shot and did, but JR, a tall guy who was martial arts trained, was then incapacitated and blinded. AP was trained to shoot for the torso. Sounds like either shot could have been grounds for homicide charges? I fear he may skate on the stabbing, hard to prove without testimony.
They are going to have to offer AP a killer of a plea deal.
She may never flip. If convicted would serve time and be deported. There is no scenario where they are together again in the nice middle class VA lifestyle. But, that sullen look she has and being young and dumb, she may keep mouth shut.
If he is charged with shooting JR he can claim self defense, defense of wife, etc. I think they are likely right about it being a ruse and lure for a patsy but not sure how they get from that to probable cause re: him stabbing. Sounded like the EMT did not see the knife in the excellent reporting from attendees yesterday. Wonder what happened to it? Wonder if BB's leg "injury" was a slash? Even that could be explained in his "story."
Wonder how isolated the little girl is. Lost her mommy, 1/2 her extended family and I can't imagine neighbors are sending kids over to play to be supervised by BB.
Anonymous
04/02/2024 11:17
Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
AP was far more likely to be able to hit JR once he was on the ground. He was a fit and athletic guy. Sounds like only 2 shots were fired, one from each gun. If he was on his feet and unharmed, her odds would not be as good. In fact, he might have tried to disarm or overpower her, thus BB took the first shot to contain the parties. I'm not sure what sequence makes most sense re: CB being stabbed and JR arriving.
Anonymous
04/02/2024 11:06
Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:I could see the plan being for each to take a shot. BB was more likely to be able to make a non instant kill shot and did, but JR, a tall guy who was martial arts trained, was then incapacitated and blinded. AP was trained to shoot for the torso. Sounds like either shot could have been grounds for homicide charges? I fear he may skate on the stabbing, hard to prove without testimony.
They are going to have to offer AP a killer of a plea deal.
Anonymous
04/02/2024 11:00
Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
I could see the plan being for each to take a shot. BB was more likely to be able to make a non instant kill shot and did, but JR, a tall guy who was martial arts trained, was then incapacitated and blinded. AP was trained to shoot for the torso. Sounds like either shot could have been grounds for homicide charges? I fear he may skate on the stabbing, hard to prove without testimony.
Anonymous
04/02/2024 10:57
Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What am I missing here- if BB fires the first shot, why on earth would he ask the AP to get another gun? Why wouldn’t he, the trained LE, fire the second? If in a juror, what possible reasoning is there for that?
Yep.
2 guns vs 1 knife (if you buy the bs story that JR was the one who actually stabbed CB)
Makes no sense. Even if they try to argue that JR was still alive and trying to fight back. A trained cop (BB) would have just shot him again.
Someone screwed up the original plan. I think AP was supposed to have been the only shooter but choked.
BB was clearly the one that stabbed CB. That takes a certain level of dedication to be able to pull off.
I wonder if AP screwed up original plan by coming back to the house for the lunches?
No - that was definitely part of the OG plan. They needed a ruse for why they would have "caught" JR in action.
Both AP and BB needed to be present and make a kill each for a pact of silence.
Last of the Real Ones and all...
If they went to shooting range 2 months before, was around the holidays. She had only extended in October. Imagine they were involved for quite a while.
Anonymous
04/02/2024 10:55
Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What am I missing here- if BB fires the first shot, why on earth would he ask the AP to get another gun? Why wouldn’t he, the trained LE, fire the second? If in a juror, what possible reasoning is there for that?
Yep.
2 guns vs 1 knife (if you buy the bs story that JR was the one who actually stabbed CB)
Makes no sense. Even if they try to argue that JR was still alive and trying to fight back. A trained cop (BB) would have just shot him again.
Someone screwed up the original plan. I think AP was supposed to have been the only shooter but choked.
BB was clearly the one that stabbed CB. That takes a certain level of dedication to be able to pull off.
I wonder if AP screwed up original plan by coming back to the house for the lunches?
Are you suggesting that AP screwed up JR's plan to randomly stab some woman he had never met in person?
She just so happened to have recently been trained on how to shoot a gun! Perfect!
She also just so happened to have moved in to the dead woman's bed before it was even cold!
She's such a hero!
JR did not randomly stab anyone. AP screwed up BB's plot to kill the wife and blame the JR.
Then how would they have explained why they caught JR at the house in the first place? BB was supposedly out of the house as well. Coming back for the lunches makes it look like they just so happened to catch JR off guard. AP definitely was in on the plan. She never would have kept silent this long if she wasn't in on it from day 1.
Agree.
Anonymous
04/02/2024 10:54
Subject: Fairfax County Double Murder
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What am I missing here- if BB fires the first shot, why on earth would he ask the AP to get another gun? Why wouldn’t he, the trained LE, fire the second? If in a juror, what possible reasoning is there for that?
Yep.
2 guns vs 1 knife (if you buy the bs story that JR was the one who actually stabbed CB)
Makes no sense. Even if they try to argue that JR was still alive and trying to fight back. A trained cop (BB) would have just shot him again.
Someone screwed up the original plan. I think AP was supposed to have been the only shooter but choked.
BB was clearly the one that stabbed CB. That takes a certain level of dedication to be able to pull off.
Agree he is the likely stabber.
BB is not going to confess. Forensics can't easily prove who was the stabber. They can try with angles, heights, etc. Without testimony from the only other living person there, will be hard to make that case against him imho.
Will be interesting to see if Ring cameras caught shots and timing of cars arriving back, etc. Shame they did not have Alexa, etc., that has been helpful re: evidence in other cases. That the 4 year old was in the house takes the depravity to the next level for sure.