Anonymous wrote:This shit is a mess and it’s going go be complicated. I think they are both in the wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:This appears to be the body cam from Ross. Note I said "appears".

I am 61 years old and not the heroic type. I can say that had I been in his shoes I would NOT have been in fear of my life or the lives of others.

I don’t agree with what ICE is doing. But I can’t help but question these protests techniques and how they are helping immigrants. This is just agitation for the sake of agitation.

Anonymous wrote:This shit is a mess and it’s going go be complicated. I think they are both in the wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a nice video that gives a view of the front of the car. Sorry if this is old news.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/video/minnesota-shooting-ice-video-before-shooting-digvid

Why does he step in front of the car?? And why not get out of the way when she backs up, clearly intending to drive off?

The onus is ALWAYS on the driver in the U.S. in general and the law is on the books in Minnesota. He, on foot, can walk anywhere he wants, even stand in the middle of the street and motorists must yield. You cannot use a vehicle as a weapon to harm a human body, even if you’re upset/overwhelmed or feel righteously justified. If there is a physical confrontation or contact, the driver has very little, if any, defense. And, this is inconvenient for those who want to ignore it, as a federal agent, he has the right to move about the scene and order/make interlopers leave. Even if he says so “rudely”, as someone earlier whined. Even if “legal observers” don’t like his job or the agency he serves.

They told her to move, she moved.


The opportunity for her to safely move her car had passed. She failed to move it when she could safely do so. Once officers got out, approached her car, at were literally touching her car telling her to get out- multiple officers right next to her car- she could no longer safely maneuver her car and should have gotten out. I don’t even back out of parking spot if someone is within several feet of my car- for fear of accidentally hitting someone

You know what?

I hope ICE suddenly surrounds you as you're driving through your neighborhood. I hope they box you in with their big SUVs. I hope they scream at you from all directions with conflicting orders. I earnestly hope they pull out their guns and point them at your head.

Come back and tell us how it went and how you felt. Because you are gaslighting like crazy and you think you're so clever.

Karma.

DP. I think we can all agree that, in that situation, it would be better to put the car in park, put up your hands and follow the directions of the approaching officer, over going from reverse to drive and applying the accelerator as an officer is trying to open the driver’s door.

Like, that’s just common sense. Right?

Of course the ICE officer should not have shot her. Of course they are awful. And of course, we don’t act perfectly - especially in chaotic situations where we might panic.

But come on…. Let’s not let this administration cause us to lose sight of rational thought.

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If that were me, I would have immediately put my hands up to show that I was no threat. Because I respect law enforcement.

I cannot get over how utterly lacking in humanity these ICE apologists are. They shot her in the head three times. She did not NOTHING to make shooting her three times in the head a reasonable response. Shut up with “she should have done this or that”. The ICE agent shot her in the head three times! Please spend some time searching for your soul.

I believe in personal responsibility. You don’t. Tomato tomahto.

If she wasn’t an ICE agitator (all news coming out now points to this) her life wouldn’t have been at risk.

I teach my kids to make smart choices. Don’t put yourself in harms way because “men shouldn’t rape!” “People shouldn’t kill”. “People shouldn’t steal!” Newsflash - they do and they will.

+1 correct!

Personal responsibility means you get murdered without a trial? You think this is convincing to normal people?

This is why Trump’s popularity is in the tank. No one wants this. Even X is full of people calling out this travesty. If the Republican Party had any instinct towards self preservation, the least they could do is shut up. But nope, the tribe is here all day long cheering a stranger’s death.

But I mean, thanks for setting the precedent. The next time one of these militia groups decides to cosplay through the streets, we can just bomb em all to oblivion.

I hope all the ICE defenders remember their argument next time ICE agents drive their vehicles into a group of people (plenty of videos circulating) and someone shoots them in the head. Self defense, amiright?

This wasn’t a “random shooting in the head.” They were in an active altercation with her.
At no time, no where, have ICE randomly run upon group of people and started shooting.

If you can’t partake in a rational conversation without ridiculous hyperbole, you don’t have a very good point.

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Anonymous wrote:This appears to be the body cam from Ross. Note I said "appears".

I am 61 years old and not the heroic type. I can say that had I been in his shoes I would NOT have been in fear of my life or the lives of others.

She did hit him, that video seems to show. That also shows how fast this tragic situation happened.

I’m not seeing a prosecutable offense here.

There are plenty of angle that showed she didn't hit him. This video does nothing to betray the other videos.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think she was paying attention to him at all. She was trying to drive off while her wife was getting into the car.

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Anonymous wrote:This appears to be the body cam from Ross. Note I said "appears".

I am 61 years old and not the heroic type. I can say that had I been in his shoes I would NOT have been in fear of my life or the lives of others.

I do not see how anyone could watch that and not clearly conclude she drove right at him and actually hit him. He was justified in deploying deadly force here.

Case closed.

WTF? Yes, case closed...he murdered her.

she was turning right. He was at the corner of her vehicle. He could've stepped out of the way, but he was VERY ready with his gun, fired multiple shots, and then called her a bit ch.

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Anonymous wrote:This appears to be the body cam from Ross. Note I said "appears".

I am 61 years old and not the heroic type. I can say that had I been in his shoes I would NOT have been in fear of my life or the lives of others.

She did hit him, that video seems to show. That also shows how fast this tragic situation happened.

I’m not seeing a prosecutable offense here.

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Anonymous wrote:No one here is wishing that she were killed. You're welcome to call it victim blaming when people choose to take chances with folks with guns, regardless of who they are. It's very naive to think otherwise.

There are absolutely many posts saying she deserved death (along with other white liberal women). Just because Jeff is deleting them doesn’t mean they didn’t exist.

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Anonymous wrote:This appears to be the body cam from Ross. Note I said "appears".

I am 61 years old and not the heroic type. I can say that had I been in his shoes I would NOT have been in fear of my life or the lives of others.

I do not see how anyone could watch that and not clearly conclude she drove right at him and actually hit him. He was justified in deploying deadly force here.

Case closed.

WTF? Yes, case closed...he murdered her.

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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a nice video that gives a view of the front of the car. Sorry if this is old news.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/us/video/minnesota-shooting-ice-video-before-shooting-digvid

Why does he step in front of the car?? And why not get out of the way when she backs up, clearly intending to drive off?

The onus is ALWAYS on the driver in the U.S. in general and the law is on the books in Minnesota. He, on foot, can walk anywhere he wants, even stand in the middle of the street and motorists must yield. You cannot use a vehicle as a weapon to harm a human body, even if you’re upset/overwhelmed or feel righteously justified. If there is a physical confrontation or contact, the driver has very little, if any, defense. And, this is inconvenient for those who want to ignore it, as a federal agent, he has the right to move about the scene and order/make interlopers leave. Even if he says so “rudely”, as someone earlier whined. Even if “legal observers” don’t like his job or the agency he serves.

They told her to move, she moved.


The opportunity for her to safely move her car had passed. She failed to move it when she could safely do so. Once officers got out, approached her car, at were literally touching her car telling her to get out- multiple officers right next to her car- she could no longer safely maneuver her car and should have gotten out. I don’t even back out of parking spot if someone is within several feet of my car- for fear of accidentally hitting someone

You know what?

I hope ICE suddenly surrounds you as you're driving through your neighborhood. I hope they box you in with their big SUVs. I hope they scream at you from all directions with conflicting orders. I earnestly hope they pull out their guns and point them at your head.

Come back and tell us how it went and how you felt. Because you are gaslighting like crazy and you think you're so clever.

Karma.

DP. I think we can all agree that, in that situation, it would be better to put the car in park, put up your hands and follow the directions of the approaching officer, over going from reverse to drive and applying the accelerator as an officer is trying to open the driver’s door.

Like, that’s just common sense. Right?

Of course the ICE officer should not have shot her. Of course they are awful. And of course, we don’t act perfectly - especially in chaotic situations where we might panic.

But come on…. Let’s not let this administration cause us to lose sight of rational thought.

+1

If that were me, I would have immediately put my hands up to show that I was no threat. Because I respect law enforcement.

I cannot get over how utterly lacking in humanity these ICE apologists are. They shot her in the head three times. She did not NOTHING to make shooting her three times in the head a reasonable response. Shut up with “she should have done this or that”. The ICE agent shot her in the head three times! Please spend some time searching for your soul.

I believe in personal responsibility. You don’t. Tomato tomahto.

If she wasn’t an ICE agitator (all news coming out now points to this) her life wouldn’t have been at risk.

I teach my kids to make smart choices. Don’t put yourself in harms way because “men shouldn’t rape!” “People shouldn’t kill”. “People shouldn’t steal!” Newsflash - they do and they will.

+1 correct!

Personal responsibility means you get murdered without a trial? You think this is convincing to normal people?

This is why Trump’s popularity is in the tank. No one wants this. Even X is full of people calling out this travesty. If the Republican Party had any instinct towards self preservation, the least they could do is shut up. But nope, the tribe is here all day long cheering a stranger’s death.

But I mean, thanks for setting the precedent. The next time one of these militia groups decides to cosplay through the streets, we can just bomb em all to oblivion.

I hope all the ICE defenders remember their argument next time ICE agents drive their vehicles into a group of people (plenty of videos circulating) and someone shoots them in the head. Self defense, amiright?

This wasn’t a “random shooting in the head.” They were in an active altercation with her.
At no time, no where, have ICE randomly run upon group of people and started shooting.

If you can’t partake in a rational conversation without ridiculous hyperbole, you don’t have a very good point.