Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

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Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.

Sigh.

Rape is obviously the problem.

But shouldn’t everyone attempt to mitigate the risk of danger by being aware of their surroundings, maintaining control of their faculties, etc.?

A woman should be able to have 1 drink or 10 and expect to NOT be raped. Just like me have this expectation.

Your explanation excuses rapists and blames women.

Gentle suggestion: having such a binary view of things is rather silly.

My explanation absolutely does not excuse rapists and blames women.

A rational person takes precautions to eliminate or mitigate risk.

Waltzing through life oblivious to danger or with a righteous indignation towards danger is just dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

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Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?

And robbers shouldn’t rob. And carjackers shouldn’t carjack. And arsonists shouldn’t start fires. And murderers shouldn’t murder.
How’s that fantasy world working out for you?

Do we have constant internet warriors or even judges saying you caused your own arson fire for something you did? Do we routinely see in the news what a person driving down the street did wrong to be carjacked? No.
Until we do, hmmmm. What could possibly be the difference here.

Personally I don’t GAF about what internet warriors say. I’m not that fragile. And I will continue to take precautions to mitigate the chances they any of these crimes happen to me. I’m impressed that you don’t have smoke alarms, or wear seatbelts, or feel comfortable getting blackout drunk anytime anywhere, or hanging out in a high crime area in the early morning hours. If that’s working for you, have at it. It doesn’t work for me. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Smoke alarms don’t prevent arson. Seat belts don’t prevent car jacking. Staying sober doesn’t prevent rape.

Getting so drunk you lose consciousness is risky, but it’s not a crime. What Turner did was criminal.

Listen you obviously think people shouldn’t do anything to mitigate risk. Like I said, that’s fine for you. Have at it.
Staying sober doesn’t prevent rape. But it definitely mitigates the risk. Why you wouldn’t teach your daughters to mitigate the risk of rape is beyond me.

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And this Emily Doe, whoever she is, is a fierce writer.

What screw is loose in some people's brains that they think they can rape a drunk girl? I wish we knew the two grad students' names, but I can't bear to read another article about this.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

+1

WTAF

Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.

Sigh.

Rape is obviously the problem.

But shouldn’t everyone attempt to mitigate the risk of danger by being aware of their surroundings, maintaining control of their faculties, etc.?

Mitigation or the lack thereof does not confer one less jot of responsibility on the rapist. This kind of talk attempts to shift a modicum of responsiblity to the victim, and I am not here for it. It's gross victim-blaming. "Oh, if only she hadn't [fill in the blank with activity that men do all the time] this wouldn't have happened." Miss me with that.

You're missed. Also you might be missing some of the particular facts under discussion.

I think YOU missed the entire point of the thread, which was to discuss the rapist’s behavior, not the victim’s. Women are raped while sitting at home in their sweatpants. Should we never do this?

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

+1

WTAF

Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.

Sigh.

Rape is obviously the problem.

But shouldn’t everyone attempt to mitigate the risk of danger by being aware of their surroundings, maintaining control of their faculties, etc.?

Mitigation or the lack thereof does not confer one less jot of responsibility on the rapist. This kind of talk attempts to shift a modicum of responsiblity to the victim, and I am not here for it. It's gross victim-blaming. "Oh, if only she hadn't [fill in the blank with activity that men do all the time] this wouldn't have happened." Miss me with that.

You're missed. Also you might be missing some of the particular facts under discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

+1

WTAF

Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.

Sigh.

Rape is obviously the problem.

But shouldn’t everyone attempt to mitigate the risk of danger by being aware of their surroundings, maintaining control of their faculties, etc.?

Mitigation or the lack thereof does not confer one less jot of responsibility on the rapist. This kind of talk attempts to shift a modicum of responsiblity to the victim, and I am not here for it. It's gross victim-blaming. "Oh, if only she hadn't [fill in the blank with activity that men do all the time] this wouldn't have happened." Miss me with that.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

+1

WTAF

Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.

Sigh.

Rape is obviously the problem.

But shouldn’t everyone attempt to mitigate the risk of danger by being aware of their surroundings, maintaining control of their faculties, etc.?

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?

And robbers shouldn’t rob. And carjackers shouldn’t carjack. And arsonists shouldn’t start fires. And murderers shouldn’t murder.
How’s that fantasy world working out for you?

Do we have constant internet warriors or even judges saying you caused your own arson fire for something you did? Do we routinely see in the news what a person driving down the street did wrong to be carjacked? No.
Until we do, hmmmm. What could possibly be the difference here.

Personally I don’t GAF about what internet warriors say. I’m not that fragile. And I will continue to take precautions to mitigate the chances they any of these crimes happen to me. I’m impressed that you don’t have smoke alarms, or wear seatbelts, or feel comfortable getting blackout drunk anytime anywhere, or hanging out in a high crime area in the early morning hours. If that’s working for you, have at it. It doesn’t work for me. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Smoke alarms don’t prevent arson. Seat belts don’t prevent car jacking. Staying sober doesn’t prevent rape.

Getting so drunk you lose consciousness is risky, but it’s not a crime. What Turner did was criminal.

Listen you obviously think people shouldn’t do anything to mitigate risk. Like I said, that’s fine for you. Have at it.
Staying sober doesn’t prevent rape. But it definitely mitigates the risk. Why you wouldn’t teach your daughters to mitigate the risk of rape is beyond me.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?

And robbers shouldn’t rob. And carjackers shouldn’t carjack. And arsonists shouldn’t start fires. And murderers shouldn’t murder.
How’s that fantasy world working out for you?

Do we have constant internet warriors or even judges saying you caused your own arson fire for something you did? Do we routinely see in the news what a person driving down the street did wrong to be carjacked? No.
Until we do, hmmmm. What could possibly be the difference here.

Personally I don’t GAF about what internet warriors say. I’m not that fragile. And I will continue to take precautions to mitigate the chances they any of these crimes happen to me. I’m impressed that you don’t have smoke alarms, or wear seatbelts, or feel comfortable getting blackout drunk anytime anywhere, or hanging out in a high crime area in the early morning hours. If that’s working for you, have at it. It doesn’t work for me. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Smoke alarms don’t prevent arson. Seat belts don’t prevent car jacking. Staying sober doesn’t prevent rape.

Getting so drunk you lose consciousness is risky, but it’s not a crime. What Turner did was criminal.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?

And robbers shouldn’t rob. And carjackers shouldn’t carjack. And arsonists shouldn’t start fires. And murderers shouldn’t murder.
How’s that fantasy world working out for you?

Do we have constant internet warriors or even judges saying you caused your own arson fire for something you did? Do we routinely see in the news what a person driving down the street did wrong to be carjacked? No.
Until we do, hmmmm. What could possibly be the difference here.

Personally I don’t GAF about what internet warriors say. I’m not that fragile. And I will continue to take precautions to mitigate the chances they any of these crimes happen to me. I’m impressed that you don’t have smoke alarms, or wear seatbelts, or feel comfortable getting blackout drunk anytime anywhere, or hanging out in a high crime area in the early morning hours. If that’s working for you, have at it. It doesn’t work for me. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Smoke alarms don’t prevent arson. Seat belts don’t prevent car jacking. Staying sober doesn’t prevent rape.

Getting so drunk you lose consciousness is risky, but it’s not a crime. What Turner did was criminal.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?

And robbers shouldn’t rob. And carjackers shouldn’t carjack. And arsonists shouldn’t start fires. And murderers shouldn’t murder.
How’s that fantasy world working out for you?

Do we have constant internet warriors or even judges saying you caused your own arson fire for something you did? Do we routinely see in the news what a person driving down the street did wrong to be carjacked? No.
Until we do, hmmmm. What could possibly be the difference here.

Personally I don’t GAF about what internet warriors say. I’m not that fragile. And I will continue to take precautions to mitigate the chances they any of these crimes happen to me. I’m impressed that you don’t have smoke alarms, or wear seatbelts, or feel comfortable getting blackout drunk anytime anywhere, or hanging out in a high crime area in the early morning hours. If that’s working for you, have at it. It doesn’t work for me. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?

And robbers shouldn’t rob. And carjackers shouldn’t carjack. And arsonists shouldn’t start fires. And murderers shouldn’t murder.
How’s that fantasy world working out for you?

Do we have constant internet warriors or even judges saying you caused your own arson fire for something you did? Do we routinely see in the news what a person driving down the street did wrong to be carjacked? No.
Until we do, hmmmm. What could possibly be the difference here.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?