As an independent I'm mortified by both parties but pin the shutdown on Dems. There's more than 1 way to do things. Shutting things down 1/2 way and v an admin who prefers less govt is sheer stupidity. Not sure how things are going to reopen unless idiot Dems willing to cave.

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Anonymous wrote:Nation’s largest federal employee union calls for 'clean CR' with backpay guarantee to reopen government

Federal employees are backing the Republicans

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2025/10/nations-largest-federal-employee-union-calls-clean-cr-backpay-guarantee-reopen-government/409091/

A clean CR would continue existing programs, as is. But that's not what's happening, instead Medicare and ACA are being gutted.

I would support a clean CR that actually did that but the GOP's CR doesn't do that. Also, it only kicks the can down the road for a couple of weeks.

Don't mischaracterize it. The GOP isn't gutting anything.

The spending for ACA is constantly growing in the red. The current levels of spending can't keep up. So ACA is gutting itself.

The GOP refuses to throw greater and greater pallets of money into that sinkhole. By the way, the DNC was pushing a ridiculous demand for $1.5T that they knew the GOP would never agree to.

Bullshit. ACA was made law 15 years ago, the GOP has done nothing but whine about it since, but what you have never done is actually come up with a way to fix healthcare. All you are doing with this shutdown BS, refusing to deal with it, is break healthcare even more. You have no credibility or righteousness to stand on.

THIS X 1000000000000

DP here and a Dem.

While I agree that the Rep are making this a battle and although I disagree completely with Dems response, I understand it.

I agree however that stuff like ACA is a prob in that it doesn't solve what req solving. Subsidies cannot continue forever with our national debt. When Dems criticize Rep for spending habits which I also find obscene, it does not forgo their responsibility as the other party of admitting that they are asking for the moon sometimes too.

The prob we have and the real crux of the country shut down us with insurance sys and how it works. It will ultimately break this country is my strong positive belief but before that the damage done by money going to crazy places for both Rep and Dem spends are both depressing and a prob.

Just like every other government program, student loans, grants, etc, all it does is drive costs up because it creates the baseline of guaranteed money. So it actually is contributing to the problem of accelerated costs.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nation’s largest federal employee union calls for 'clean CR' with backpay guarantee to reopen government

Federal employees are backing the Republicans

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2025/10/nations-largest-federal-employee-union-calls-clean-cr-backpay-guarantee-reopen-government/409091/

A clean CR would continue existing programs, as is. But that's not what's happening, instead Medicare and ACA are being gutted.

I would support a clean CR that actually did that but the GOP's CR doesn't do that. Also, it only kicks the can down the road for a couple of weeks.

Don't mischaracterize it. The GOP isn't gutting anything.

The spending for ACA is constantly growing in the red. The current levels of spending can't keep up. So ACA is gutting itself.

The GOP refuses to throw greater and greater pallets of money into that sinkhole. By the way, the DNC was pushing a ridiculous demand for $1.5T that they knew the GOP would never agree to.

The GOP had no problem with Trump running up an additional $2T in debt in his first year in office. Stop pretending you care about fiscal responsibility.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nation’s largest federal employee union calls for 'clean CR' with backpay guarantee to reopen government

Federal employees are backing the Republicans

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2025/10/nations-largest-federal-employee-union-calls-clean-cr-backpay-guarantee-reopen-government/409091/

A clean CR would continue existing programs, as is. But that's not what's happening, instead Medicare and ACA are being gutted.

I would support a clean CR that actually did that but the GOP's CR doesn't do that. Also, it only kicks the can down the road for a couple of weeks.

Don't mischaracterize it. The GOP isn't gutting anything.

The spending for ACA is constantly growing in the red. The current levels of spending can't keep up. So ACA is gutting itself.

The GOP refuses to throw greater and greater pallets of money into that sinkhole. By the way, the DNC was pushing a ridiculous demand for $1.5T that they knew the GOP would never agree to.

Bullshit. ACA was made law 15 years ago, the GOP has done nothing but whine about it since, but what you have never done is actually come up with a way to fix healthcare. All you are doing with this shutdown BS, refusing to deal with it, is break healthcare even more. You have no credibility or righteousness to stand on.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nation’s largest federal employee union calls for 'clean CR' with backpay guarantee to reopen government

Federal employees are backing the Republicans

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2025/10/nations-largest-federal-employee-union-calls-clean-cr-backpay-guarantee-reopen-government/409091/

A clean CR would continue existing programs, as is. But that's not what's happening, instead Medicare and ACA are being gutted.

I would support a clean CR that actually did that but the GOP's CR doesn't do that. Also, it only kicks the can down the road for a couple of weeks.

Don't mischaracterize it. The GOP isn't gutting anything.

The spending for ACA is constantly growing in the red. The current levels of spending can't keep up. So ACA is gutting itself.

The GOP refuses to throw greater and greater pallets of money into that sinkhole. By the way, the DNC was pushing a ridiculous demand for $1.5T that they knew the GOP would never agree to.

So, it it the greedy health sector billionaires is causing te shutdown?

No, it's the government paying all the bills and the health care sector saying we want more more more with no kickback by Uncle Sam. In other words, no competition and no market forces bringing reality to the situation. Just the govt stroking checks and passing the costs on to innocent bystanders.

(plus importing ten million poverty cases as "lawfully present" and handing them all the benefits too)

Anonymous wrote:How do healthcare prices and utilization in the United States compare to peer nations?

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/how-do-healthcare-prices-and-use-in-the-u-s-compare-to-other-countries/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nation’s largest federal employee union calls for 'clean CR' with backpay guarantee to reopen government

Federal employees are backing the Republicans

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2025/10/nations-largest-federal-employee-union-calls-clean-cr-backpay-guarantee-reopen-government/409091/

A clean CR would continue existing programs, as is. But that's not what's happening, instead Medicare and ACA are being gutted.

I would support a clean CR that actually did that but the GOP's CR doesn't do that. Also, it only kicks the can down the road for a couple of weeks.

Don't mischaracterize it. The GOP isn't gutting anything.

The spending for ACA is constantly growing in the red. The current levels of spending can't keep up. So ACA is gutting itself.

The GOP refuses to throw greater and greater pallets of money into that sinkhole. By the way, the DNC was pushing a ridiculous demand for $1.5T that they knew the GOP would never agree to.

So, it it the greedy health sector billionaires is causing te shutdown?

How do healthcare prices and utilization in the United States compare to peer nations?

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/how-do-healthcare-prices-and-use-in-the-u-s-compare-to-other-countries/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nation’s largest federal employee union calls for 'clean CR' with backpay guarantee to reopen government

Federal employees are backing the Republicans

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2025/10/nations-largest-federal-employee-union-calls-clean-cr-backpay-guarantee-reopen-government/409091/

A clean CR would continue existing programs, as is. But that's not what's happening, instead Medicare and ACA are being gutted.

I would support a clean CR that actually did that but the GOP's CR doesn't do that. Also, it only kicks the can down the road for a couple of weeks.

Don't mischaracterize it. The GOP isn't gutting anything.

The spending for ACA is constantly growing in the red. The current levels of spending can't keep up. So ACA is gutting itself.

The GOP refuses to throw greater and greater pallets of money into that sinkhole. By the way, the DNC was pushing a ridiculous demand for $1.5T that they knew the GOP would never agree to.

ACA has nothing to do with running the govt. It's like a mentally ill person yelling ketchup and stopping people from paying the bill at dinner and holding everyone up.

That's fine. Then accept the CR (or not). I don't really GAS.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nation’s largest federal employee union calls for 'clean CR' with backpay guarantee to reopen government

Federal employees are backing the Republicans

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2025/10/nations-largest-federal-employee-union-calls-clean-cr-backpay-guarantee-reopen-government/409091/

A clean CR would continue existing programs, as is. But that's not what's happening, instead Medicare and ACA are being gutted.

I would support a clean CR that actually did that but the GOP's CR doesn't do that. Also, it only kicks the can down the road for a couple of weeks.

Don't mischaracterize it. The GOP isn't gutting anything.

The spending for ACA is constantly growing in the red. The current levels of spending can't keep up. So ACA is gutting itself.

The GOP refuses to throw greater and greater pallets of money into that sinkhole. By the way, the DNC was pushing a ridiculous demand for $1.5T that they knew the GOP would never agree to.

ACA has nothing to do with running the govt. It's like a mentally ill person yelling ketchup and stopping people from paying the bill at dinner and holding everyone up.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nation’s largest federal employee union calls for 'clean CR' with backpay guarantee to reopen government

Federal employees are backing the Republicans

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2025/10/nations-largest-federal-employee-union-calls-clean-cr-backpay-guarantee-reopen-government/409091/

A clean CR would continue existing programs, as is. But that's not what's happening, instead Medicare and ACA are being gutted.

I would support a clean CR that actually did that but the GOP's CR doesn't do that. Also, it only kicks the can down the road for a couple of weeks.

Don't mischaracterize it. The GOP isn't gutting anything.

The spending for ACA is constantly growing in the red. The current levels of spending can't keep up. So ACA is gutting itself.

The GOP refuses to throw greater and greater pallets of money into that sinkhole. By the way, the DNC was pushing a ridiculous demand for $1.5T that they knew the GOP would never agree to.

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Anonymous wrote:Mike Johnson: "Democrats are required to open the government. They keep saying, 'Republicans are in charge of government.' We aren't!"


I mean, the guy knows he is speaker of the House right? and that Trump is president, right? And that the Senate is controlled by Republicans as well, right

Johnson is fighting a losing battle here.

Trump is a megalomaniacal wrecking ball who has been plastered across the news every single day for the past year bragging how great everything is going with him at the wheel. Preposterous for anyone to posit that MAGA is not in charge.

Republicans lost this in the first couple days when they were absolutely giddy about how the shutdown would let them hurt feds and the poor and everyone else they don’t like. That told the public Trump wanted this and caused it. They’ve been backpedaling ever since.

That's a neat narrative you got there.

It's Trump's own narrative, bozo. Trump was practically behaving like a cartoon villain rubbing his hands together saying "now we get to get rid of all those Democrat programs" and things like that. It's not the PP's narrative, it's Trump's.