Anonymous
01/31/2025 10:46
Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have the ATC time stamps of when the 3 communications between ATC and the PAT25 were? I couldn't see the time stamps on the videos of ATC communication I watched and none are live time so it is hard to tell when the communication took place and how long before the crash the last communication was.
If you listen to the ATC recording you can hear someone in the background react to the crash, which is an easy way to identify how close in time it's happening.
It's within seconds. Whether it's 4 seconds or 16 seconds I am less sure. It is not a lot of time.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 10:46
Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Plexiglass bubble, and they were way above the tree line so no excuse not to see or look slightly left at a plane lining up for runway 33.
Plus the fact that ATC told them the facts twice.
At night it can be hard to tell if a stationary light in the sky is a light on the ground, or a light from a plane traveling directly at you. I help my dad spot traffic in his plane whenever I see him, and have since I was a teen, and night flying can be tricky because of that even in clear conditions.
The pilots had night vision goggles on so there shouldn't have been as much glare. It makes no sense that they didn't see the plane.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 10:45
Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Plexiglass bubble, and they were way above the tree line so no excuse not to see or look slightly left at a plane lining up for runway 33.
Plus the fact that ATC told them the facts twice.
At night it can be hard to tell if a stationary light in the sky is a light on the ground, or a light from a plane traveling directly at you. I help my dad spot traffic in his plane whenever I see him, and have since I was a teen, and night flying can be tricky because of that even in clear conditions.
I can appreciate that night flying is hard but three pilots on the BH missed it?? And it wasn't like the jet came out of nowhere. BH knew they were crossing right in front of runway 33. Not one person decided they should look left, even absent ANY atc communication? If this wasn't intentional or something mechanical, it really says a lot of not so good things about our military.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 10:45
Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Does anyone have the ATC time stamps of when the 3 communications between ATC and the PAT25 were? I couldn't see the time stamps on the videos of ATC communication I watched and none are live time so it is hard to tell when the communication took place and how long before the crash the last communication was.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 10:44
Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Absolutely baffling.
Even if the theory that the helicopter though ATC was referring to a different airplane is true, that is inexplicable. By the time they collide, the helicopter is perpendicular to the airplane, rendering the issues with spotting a plane that is dead on irrelevant. The Black Hawk is capable of heroic maneuvers in that situation, it is a very agile aircraft. But we don't see the helicopter slow up or move at all to evade the airplane. It just plows right into it.
I am more confused than ever.
Me again.
Also it appears the helicopter is actually coming down in altitude at the moment of impact, but we know from the radar that they'd climbed up in altitude shortly before this. If they'd continued their original trajectory of climb, they might have gone over the aircraft as it descended. Potentially the plane also adjusted altitude at the last minute, that's harder to see on these videos because you are looking at the plane head on from the runway. But wow does it really look like the helicopter noses down straight into the plane.
Nope
Nope to which part. Please explain.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 10:42
Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Plexiglass bubble, and they were way above the tree line so no excuse not to see or look slightly left at a plane lining up for runway 33.
Plus the fact that ATC told them the facts twice.
At night it can be hard to tell if a stationary light in the sky is a light on the ground, or a light from a plane traveling directly at you. I help my dad spot traffic in his plane whenever I see him, and have since I was a teen, and night flying can be tricky because of that even in clear conditions.
This explanation is very unsettling to those of us who are not pilots and do not work in aviation.
"It's hard to see things that are right in front of you while flying at night" is never going to satisfy anyone for an explanation for this crash.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 10:42
Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
The entire front of the helicopter is a glass windshield (like a car) and they have large windows on the right and left side beside the pilot and copilot as well.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 10:41
Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Plexiglass bubble, and they were way above the tree line so no excuse not to see or look slightly left at a plane lining up for runway 33.
Plus the fact that ATC told them the facts twice.
At night it can be hard to tell if a stationary light in the sky is a light on the ground, or a light from a plane traveling directly at you. I help my dad spot traffic in his plane whenever I see him, and have since I was a teen, and night flying can be tricky because of that even in clear conditions.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 10:41
Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
These new video camera angles plus the data o t he last second altitude rise from 200 to 350 and right turn to middle of the river are VERY SUSPICIOUS.
We need to know if the training pilot at the controls had their head on straight or not.
There doesn't seem to be any evidence in the video of a last second altitude rise or sharp turn to the right. Looks like the helicopter just holds course.
You mean golds the wrong altitude.
It came out of Hains point at 200 the whole semi circle and then pops up to 350 for DCA lateraling?
Anonymous
01/31/2025 10:40
Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
These new video camera angles plus the data o t he last second altitude rise from 200 to 350 and right turn to middle of the river are VERY SUSPICIOUS.
We need to know if the training pilot at the controls had their head on straight or not.
There doesn't seem to be any evidence in the video of a last second altitude rise or sharp turn to the right. Looks like the helicopter just holds course.
Well yes. But the video starts after the helicopter made a sharp turn.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 10:39
Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
These new video camera angles plus the data o t he last second altitude rise from 200 to 350 and right turn to middle of the river are VERY SUSPICIOUS.
We need to know if the training pilot at the controls had their head on straight or not.
There doesn't seem to be any evidence in the video of a last second altitude rise or sharp turn to the right. Looks like the helicopter just holds course.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 10:39
Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
Plexiglass bubble, and they were way above the tree line so no excuse not to see or look slightly left at a plane lining up for runway 33.
Plus the fact that ATC told them the facts twice.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 10:38
Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
These new video camera angles plus the data o t he last second altitude rise from 200 to 350 and right turn to middle of the river are VERY SUSPICIOUS.
We need to know if the training pilot at the controls had their head on straight or not.
I hate to think it but there is a possibility this was intentional.
Anonymous
01/31/2025 10:38
Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Absolutely baffling.
Even if the theory that the helicopter though ATC was referring to a different airplane is true, that is inexplicable. By the time they collide, the helicopter is perpendicular to the airplane, rendering the issues with spotting a plane that is dead on irrelevant. The Black Hawk is capable of heroic maneuvers in that situation, it is a very agile aircraft. But we don't see the helicopter slow up or move at all to evade the airplane. It just plows right into it.
I am more confused than ever.
Me again.
Also it appears the helicopter is actually coming down in altitude at the moment of impact, but we know from the radar that they'd climbed up in altitude shortly before this. If they'd continued their original trajectory of climb, they might have gone over the aircraft as it descended. Potentially the plane also adjusted altitude at the last minute, that's harder to see on these videos because you are looking at the plane head on from the runway. But wow does it really look like the helicopter noses down straight into the plane.
Nope
Anonymous