Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parts of the affidavit that contain sensitive information could be redacted. They cannot play this in such a cute way.

Why? Why should he get that treatment?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Mr. Cipollone and Mr. Philbin were Mr. Trump’s representatives to deal with the National Archives; they were named to the positions shortly before the president’s term ended, in January 2021. At some point after National Archives officials realized they did not have Trump White House documents, which are required to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act, they contacted Mr. Philbin for help returning them.

A spokesperson for Mr. Philbin did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Philbin tried to help the National Archives retrieve the material, two of the people familiar with the discussions said. But the former president repeatedly resisted entreaties from his advisers.

“It’s not theirs, it’s mine,” several advisers say Mr. Trump told them.

The former president returned 15 boxes of material to the National Archives in January, but the Justice Department issued a subpoena in May for documents that were still at his residence. On June 3, counterintelligence officials with the Justice Department’s national security division went to Mar-a-Lago to collect remaining documents with classified markings.

At that point, at least one Trump lawyer signed a statement saying material with the classified markings had been returned, according to four people familiar with the document. But officials then used a subpoena to obtain surveillance footage of the hallway outside a storage room at Mar-a-Lago and saw something that alarmed them. They also received information from at least one witness who indicated that more material might remain at the residence, people familiar with the investigation said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/16/us/politics/trump-cipollone-philbin-interviews-fbi.html

F*n scary stuff, that ^.

Here's Trump take on handling of classified material, just in case Trump apologists missed it:

Anonymous wrote:

Mr. Cipollone and Mr. Philbin were Mr. Trump’s representatives to deal with the National Archives; they were named to the positions shortly before the president’s term ended, in January 2021. At some point after National Archives officials realized they did not have Trump White House documents, which are required to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act, they contacted Mr. Philbin for help returning them.

A spokesperson for Mr. Philbin did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Philbin tried to help the National Archives retrieve the material, two of the people familiar with the discussions said. But the former president repeatedly resisted entreaties from his advisers.

“It’s not theirs, it’s mine,” several advisers say Mr. Trump told them.

The former president returned 15 boxes of material to the National Archives in January, but the Justice Department issued a subpoena in May for documents that were still at his residence. On June 3, counterintelligence officials with the Justice Department’s national security division went to Mar-a-Lago to collect remaining documents with classified markings.

At that point, at least one Trump lawyer signed a statement saying material with the classified markings had been returned, according to four people familiar with the document. But officials then used a subpoena to obtain surveillance footage of the hallway outside a storage room at Mar-a-Lago and saw something that alarmed them. They also received information from at least one witness who indicated that more material might remain at the residence, people familiar with the investigation said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/16/us/politics/trump-cipollone-philbin-interviews-fbi.html

Mr. Cipollone and Mr. Philbin were Mr. Trump’s representatives to deal with the National Archives; they were named to the positions shortly before the president’s term ended, in January 2021. At some point after National Archives officials realized they did not have Trump White House documents, which are required to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act, they contacted Mr. Philbin for help returning them.

A spokesperson for Mr. Philbin did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Philbin tried to help the National Archives retrieve the material, two of the people familiar with the discussions said. But the former president repeatedly resisted entreaties from his advisers.

“It’s not theirs, it’s mine,” several advisers say Mr. Trump told them.

The former president returned 15 boxes of material to the National Archives in January, but the Justice Department issued a subpoena in May for documents that were still at his residence. On June 3, counterintelligence officials with the Justice Department’s national security division went to Mar-a-Lago to collect remaining documents with classified markings.

At that point, at least one Trump lawyer signed a statement saying material with the classified markings had been returned, according to four people familiar with the document. But officials then used a subpoena to obtain surveillance footage of the hallway outside a storage room at Mar-a-Lago and saw something that alarmed them. They also received information from at least one witness who indicated that more material might remain at the residence, people familiar with the investigation said.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parts of the affidavit that contain sensitive information could be redacted. They cannot play this in such a cute way.

Yes. Yes they can. If they are very good at catching serious criminals. The accused, if indicted, will have access to all of the evidence at trial. That’s how this works. Not in public message boards and social media, but in a court of law.

Guessing the disconnect here is that the poster doesn't recognize what "in a court of law" means.

Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

I don't know how many more times you need to be told that he and his lawyers lied to the FBI repeatedly about which documents were still at Mar a Lardo, returning some but holding onto others while claiming they weren't there. How many times does this lying liar need to lie and obstruct before anyone's allowed to act, in your world?

Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.