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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

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Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.

Sigh.

Rape is obviously the problem.

But shouldn’t everyone attempt to mitigate the risk of danger by being aware of their surroundings, maintaining control of their faculties, etc.?

A woman should be able to have 1 drink or 10 and expect to NOT be raped. Just like me have this expectation.

Your explanation excuses rapists and blames women.

Gentle suggestion: having such a binary view of things is rather silly.

My explanation absolutely does not excuse rapists and blames women.

A rational person takes precautions to eliminate or mitigate risk.

Waltzing through life oblivious to danger or with a righteous indignation towards danger is just dumb.

Anonymous wrote:We do people still care so much about Brock Turner? It reminds me of the Two Minutes Hate from 1984. OK, so he got a light sentence for something he did as a teenager, which was over eight years ago. Plenty of teenagers get light sentences for major crimes such as carjacking, and DAs are getting elected on a platform of lighter sentences.

Meanwhile, Turner was expelled from Stanford, is now a registered sex offender, and will never have anything resembling a career or a normal life given how thoroughly his name has been tarnished, and the judge who handed down the sentence was removed from the bench. Seems like a pretty good outcome.

Rape culture is real.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

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Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?

Rapists SHOULDN’T rape is moot BECAUSE THEY DO. I’m not the idiot here, living in a fantasy world where I make my decisions based on what people should or shouldn’t do. I make them based on what people ACTUALLY do. And unfortunately, they rape.

And talk about being an idiot - of course it’s not hard for you. You probably don’t have mental problems. Or rage issues. But lots of people do. Why don’t you understand that?

Please tell us more about your rage issues PP. Or are you too busy committing violent crimes?

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We do people still care so much about Brock Turner? It reminds me of the Two Minutes Hate from 1984. OK, so he got a light sentence for something he did as a teenager, which was over eight years ago. Plenty of teenagers get light sentences for major crimes such as carjacking, and DAs are getting elected on a platform of lighter sentences.

Meanwhile, Turner was expelled from Stanford, is now a registered sex offender, and will never have anything resembling a career or a normal life given how thoroughly his name has been tarnished, and the judge who handed down the sentence was removed from the bench. Seems like a pretty good outcome.

Rape is wrong. Those who commit victim or violent crimes are despicable and should be arrested, convicted and punished.

That said, we need to teach everyone to be careful and protect themselves. Despite the above, there are violent criminals who will commit crimes that are out there. And now, with our rampant gun culture, there are so many situations now that are much more dangerous than things ever were when we were teens and young adults.

So, we need to teach our children to be defensive and protect themselves. In the case of going out to drink, no one should go out alone and we no longer live in a society where it is safe to go out, drink and pick up a partner. So, teach your children to be vigilant, to go out with friends, to watch each others backs (and drinks) and to learn the safety signs and practices. Also everyone should have code words with friends that say that they are going voluntarily or not. If a friend leaves without giving the voluntary code word (like they might have been drugged and forgot) or they give the involuntary code word, friend needs to ask bar for help or call 911. And although it happens much less often, young guys have been drugged and kidnapped, too, so guys also need to learn safety practices.

So, no it is not the victim's fault and they do not deserve to be a victim. But it is everyone's responsibility to learn how to be safe and take precautions to protect themselves to minimize the chance that they will become a victim.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?

Rapists SHOULDN’T rape is moot BECAUSE THEY DO. I’m not the idiot here, living in a fantasy world where I make my decisions based on what people should or shouldn’t do. I make them based on what people ACTUALLY do. And unfortunately, they rape.

And talk about being an idiot - of course it’s not hard for you. You probably don’t have mental problems. Or rage issues. But lots of people do. Why don’t you understand that?

I'm not responsible for someone else's rage issues or mental problems. They are. RIGHT?

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?

And robbers shouldn’t rob. And carjackers shouldn’t carjack. And arsonists shouldn’t start fires. And murderers shouldn’t murder.
How’s that fantasy world working out for you?

Do we have constant internet warriors or even judges saying you caused your own arson fire for something you did? Do we routinely see in the news what a person driving down the street did wrong to be carjacked? No.
Until we do, hmmmm. What could possibly be the difference here.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?

And robbers shouldn’t rob. And carjackers shouldn’t carjack. And arsonists shouldn’t start fires. And murderers shouldn’t murder.
How’s that fantasy world working out for you?

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

+1

WTAF

Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.

Sigh.

Rape is obviously the problem.

But shouldn’t everyone attempt to mitigate the risk of danger by being aware of their surroundings, maintaining control of their faculties, etc.?

A woman should be able to have 1 drink or 10 and expect to NOT be raped. Just like me have this expectation.

Your explanation excuses rapists and blames women.

Once again, you can continue to make decisions based on what SHOULD be. I make them based on what actually happens.
If that strategy works for you, great. It doesn’t work for me and my daughter. So I’m going to continue to teach her how to keep herself safe in the world we actually live in.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?

Rapists SHOULDN’T rape is moot BECAUSE THEY DO. I’m not the idiot here, living in a fantasy world where I make my decisions based on what people should or shouldn’t do. I make them based on what people ACTUALLY do. And unfortunately, they rape.

And talk about being an idiot - of course it’s not hard for you. You probably don’t have mental problems. Or rage issues. But lots of people do. Why don’t you understand that?

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

+1

WTAF

Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.

Sigh.

Rape is obviously the problem.

But shouldn’t everyone attempt to mitigate the risk of danger by being aware of their surroundings, maintaining control of their faculties, etc.?

A woman should be able to have 1 drink or 10 and expect to NOT be raped. Just like me have this expectation.

Your explanation excuses rapists and blames women.

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

Ah. So she doesn't admit to her own part.

Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person.

NP

Why assume bot? We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. Whether or not they should is moot. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens.
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in.

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

+1

WTAF

Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.

Sigh.

Rape is obviously the problem.

But shouldn’t everyone attempt to mitigate the risk of danger by being aware of their surroundings, maintaining control of their faculties, etc.?

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Anonymous wrote:I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind.

+1

WTAF

Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape.
Personal responsibility people.

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.

We’re not talking about a sober woman being raped. We’re talking about a woman who allowed herself to drink so much that she blacked out being raped. They are different.
Listen, if you want to teach your daughters that getting blackout drunk is totes ok and if they get raped it’s NBD because it’s not their fault, have at it. I am choosing a different strategy with my daughter.

So, what if your super-responsible daughter allowed herself to have a single drink...that someone roofied? By your logic, it's partially her fault--did she not watch her drink, did she really need that drink?

The notion that you are teaching your daughter how not to be raped is risible. No matter what she does, the rape is always the responsibility of the rapist.

I’m not teaching her how not to be raped. I’m teaching her how to lessen her chances of that happening. Do you not see the difference?