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Anonymous wrote:I think they leave it alone and let new construction backfill.

This is an interesting suggestion and definitely the least controversial move.

Do we know how much all that new construction is expected to yield as far as students? There are a lot of new developments all multifamily.

there is no way they move 3 schools out of westfield and don’t move any in. they need relief at centreville and chantilly. KAA was bought to relieve overcrowding in western fairfax. if there aren’t big changes to chantilly and centreville then what’s the point of KAA

Centreville is not that much over capacity with numbers projected to decline.

No one wants big changes. FCPS can fill
KAA adequately and still create as few disruptions as possible for the kids currently at the surrounding schools.

This is the best approach.

Willow Springs is less than 3 miles from Centreville High. Much of the neighborhood is closer.
It is more than 7 miles to Fairfax. With traffic, it is likely 3 times the ride in time.

It makes sense to move Bull Run to Westfield and Willow Spring to Centreville.

It makes sense to YOU, on paper. But Bull Run families likely want to stay at CVHS and WS families likely want to stay at FHS. People overwhelmingly want to stay at their current high schools, across the whole county.

I think the KAA plan is most likely to succeed if there are the fewest disruptions and moves in the area. No point moving kids here and there unnecessarily, all that does is create more opposition frankly.

I agree. A bunch of Karens sitting in their houses in McLean suggesting moving kids---not their kids, other people's kids--- around like chess pieces to make the map pretty. No need for unnecessary disruptions. Fill KAA up to 1800 or so in a way that makes sense, and then see who is left everywhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many Bull Run families who live much closer to CVHS than Westfield. So by your standards, they should not be moved.

There are families zoned to CHS who live closer to Westfield. There are families zoned to Langley who live much closer to Herndon. There are families zoned to Oakton who live much closer to like three other schools. There are families zoned to Robinson who live much closer to CVHS. There are people zoned to SLHS who live closer to HHS. etc etc etc etc.

Are you going to upend the boundaries across the entire county based solely on distance? Interesting approach that is sure to be very popular.

No. But, it is desirable. A lot of people being bused to Oakton used to live in Chantilly boundary--and most did not want to move to Oakton because of the distance. Franklin Farm was initially Chantilly, for example. It's far and away the closest and they would still be there if there were room.

But, Bull Run is mostly equidistant. And, there is a neighborhood right next door to CVHS.

It is one thing if there is only a mile difference. But, when the distance rises to the Willow Springs and the Crossfield neighborhoods that go to Oakton, the bus expense enters in. (And, yes, the Langley people, too. Eventually, they won't have a choice because of Tyson's expansion.)

When was Franklin Farm zoned to Chantilly? 🤔

I grew up in Franklin Farm. My oldest sister graduated from Oakton in 1988. My next sister graduated from Oakton in 1993. I graduated from Oakton in 1996. My younger brother graduated from Oakton in 2000.

My parents had kids at Oakton almost non-stop from 1984-2000, and their former house is still in the Oakton district.

The only year Franklin Farm existed and I can't guarantee that it was zoned to Oakton is 1983-1984, but it seems highly unlikely that the school assignment got changed one year after rhe first houses in the neighborhood were built.

How could you have grown up in Franklin Farm and be oblivious to the fact that all the homes west of the parkway go to Chantilly? It’s all the kids who go to Oal Hill for ES.

I am aware of that, and I believe my response quite clearly was referring to the poat that said "Franklin Farm was initially Chantilly," which implies that the PP was also discussing the section that is not zoned to Chantilly.

Critical thinking. Try it.

Try writing clearly. Your first sentence was “When was Franklin Farm zoned to Chantilly?” All you needed for clarity was two little words — “all of” right before “Franklin”. It’s ok, I help people write more clearly as part of my job. It’s a skill that can be learned if you work on it.

WOW What a nasty, nasty little person you are. I bet the people you work with just HAAAATE you.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Langley people are so worried they might get moved that they are on here pretending to be from other places trying to scuttle the deal anyway they can. They figured out that Westfield is likely going to come out with a raw deal and are trying to stir up the Westfield and Chantilly people to be against it.

Oh for sure. 100%. I mean I'm not going to lie, smart trying to rile up the Poplar Tree crowd and Kathy--- shows a very nuanced understanding of local politics. But very transparent.

You are not a Chantilly parent, or you would know Poplar Tree is not moving. I doubt they are "riled up."

Well, she did say she suspected the GF trolls were trying, not that they succeeded. Why so defensive about Poplar Tree? You sound...riled up.

No. I'm a Chantilly parent who is not in Poplar Tree. I know how to look at a map. Poplar Tree neighborhood is right across street from Chantilly.

I mean, if you look at a map, its also one of the closest schools to the Westfield HS building that doesn't currently attend Westfield. Much closer than a lot of places that currently go there. Do I think they will move it, personally? No--for political reasons-- but its not some insane idea.

You clearly aren't from the area. I know you like to sh*t on Poplar Tree, but Poplar Tree is not moving because they are across the street from Chantilly. It IS an insane idea and multiple people keep giving you reasons why this isn’t happening. None of which involve Kathy Smith. Move on.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Langley people are so worried they might get moved that they are on here pretending to be from other places trying to scuttle the deal anyway they can. They figured out that Westfield is likely going to come out with a raw deal and are trying to stir up the Westfield and Chantilly people to be against it.

Oh for sure. 100%. I mean I'm not going to lie, smart trying to rile up the Poplar Tree crowd and Kathy--- shows a very nuanced understanding of local politics. But very transparent.

You are not a Chantilly parent, or you would know Poplar Tree is not moving. I doubt they are "riled up."

Well, she did say she suspected the GF trolls were trying, not that they succeeded. Why so defensive about Poplar Tree? You sound...riled up.

No. I'm a Chantilly parent who is not in Poplar Tree. I know how to look at a map. Poplar Tree neighborhood is right across street from Chantilly.

I mean, if you look at a map, its also one of the closest schools to the Westfield HS building that doesn't currently attend Westfield. Much closer than a lot of places that currently go there. Do I think they will move it, personally? No--for political reasons-- but its not some insane idea.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many Bull Run families who live much closer to CVHS than Westfield. So by your standards, they should not be moved.

There are families zoned to CHS who live closer to Westfield. There are families zoned to Langley who live much closer to Herndon. There are families zoned to Oakton who live much closer to like three other schools. There are families zoned to Robinson who live much closer to CVHS. There are people zoned to SLHS who live closer to HHS. etc etc etc etc.

Are you going to upend the boundaries across the entire county based solely on distance? Interesting approach that is sure to be very popular.

No. But, it is desirable. A lot of people being bused to Oakton used to live in Chantilly boundary--and most did not want to move to Oakton because of the distance. Franklin Farm was initially Chantilly, for example. It's far and away the closest and they would still be there if there were room.

But, Bull Run is mostly equidistant. And, there is a neighborhood right next door to CVHS.

It is one thing if there is only a mile difference. But, when the distance rises to the Willow Springs and the Crossfield neighborhoods that go to Oakton, the bus expense enters in. (And, yes, the Langley people, too. Eventually, they won't have a choice because of Tyson's expansion.)

When was Franklin Farm zoned to Chantilly? 🤔

I grew up in Franklin Farm. My oldest sister graduated from Oakton in 1988. My next sister graduated from Oakton in 1993. I graduated from Oakton in 1996. My younger brother graduated from Oakton in 2000.

My parents had kids at Oakton almost non-stop from 1984-2000, and their former house is still in the Oakton district.

The only year Franklin Farm existed and I can't guarantee that it was zoned to Oakton is 1983-1984, but it seems highly unlikely that the school assignment got changed one year after rhe first houses in the neighborhood were built.

How could you have grown up in Franklin Farm and be oblivious to the fact that all the homes west of the parkway go to Chantilly? It’s all the kids who go to Oal Hill for ES.

I am aware of that, and I believe my response quite clearly was referring to the poat that said "Franklin Farm was initially Chantilly," which implies that the PP was also discussing the section that is not zoned to Chantilly.

Critical thinking. Try it.

Try writing clearly. Your first sentence was “When was Franklin Farm zoned to Chantilly?” All you needed for clarity was two little words — “all of” right before “Franklin”. It’s ok, I help people write more clearly as part of my job. It’s a skill that can be learned if you work on it.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many Bull Run families who live much closer to CVHS than Westfield. So by your standards, they should not be moved.

There are families zoned to CHS who live closer to Westfield. There are families zoned to Langley who live much closer to Herndon. There are families zoned to Oakton who live much closer to like three other schools. There are families zoned to Robinson who live much closer to CVHS. There are people zoned to SLHS who live closer to HHS. etc etc etc etc.

Are you going to upend the boundaries across the entire county based solely on distance? Interesting approach that is sure to be very popular.

No. But, it is desirable. A lot of people being bused to Oakton used to live in Chantilly boundary--and most did not want to move to Oakton because of the distance. Franklin Farm was initially Chantilly, for example. It's far and away the closest and they would still be there if there were room.

But, Bull Run is mostly equidistant. And, there is a neighborhood right next door to CVHS.

It is one thing if there is only a mile difference. But, when the distance rises to the Willow Springs and the Crossfield neighborhoods that go to Oakton, the bus expense enters in. (And, yes, the Langley people, too. Eventually, they won't have a choice because of Tyson's expansion.)

When was Franklin Farm zoned to Chantilly? 🤔

I grew up in Franklin Farm. My oldest sister graduated from Oakton in 1988. My next sister graduated from Oakton in 1993. I graduated from Oakton in 1996. My younger brother graduated from Oakton in 2000.

My parents had kids at Oakton almost non-stop from 1984-2000, and their former house is still in the Oakton district.

The only year Franklin Farm existed and I can't guarantee that it was zoned to Oakton is 1983-1984, but it seems highly unlikely that the school assignment got changed one year after rhe first houses in the neighborhood were built.

How could you have grown up in Franklin Farm and be oblivious to the fact that all the homes west of the parkway go to Chantilly? It’s all the kids who go to Oal Hill for ES.

Don't be daft. PP was responding to the person who said Franklin Farm was zoned to Chantilly before Oakton. The half of FF that is zoned to Oakton has ALWAYS been zoned to Oakton.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many Bull Run families who live much closer to CVHS than Westfield. So by your standards, they should not be moved.

There are families zoned to CHS who live closer to Westfield. There are families zoned to Langley who live much closer to Herndon. There are families zoned to Oakton who live much closer to like three other schools. There are families zoned to Robinson who live much closer to CVHS. There are people zoned to SLHS who live closer to HHS. etc etc etc etc.

Are you going to upend the boundaries across the entire county based solely on distance? Interesting approach that is sure to be very popular.

No. But, it is desirable. A lot of people being bused to Oakton used to live in Chantilly boundary--and most did not want to move to Oakton because of the distance. Franklin Farm was initially Chantilly, for example. It's far and away the closest and they would still be there if there were room.

But, Bull Run is mostly equidistant. And, there is a neighborhood right next door to CVHS.

It is one thing if there is only a mile difference. But, when the distance rises to the Willow Springs and the Crossfield neighborhoods that go to Oakton, the bus expense enters in. (And, yes, the Langley people, too. Eventually, they won't have a choice because of Tyson's expansion.)

When was Franklin Farm zoned to Chantilly? 🤔

I grew up in Franklin Farm. My oldest sister graduated from Oakton in 1988. My next sister graduated from Oakton in 1993. I graduated from Oakton in 1996. My younger brother graduated from Oakton in 2000.

My parents had kids at Oakton almost non-stop from 1984-2000, and their former house is still in the Oakton district.

The only year Franklin Farm existed and I can't guarantee that it was zoned to Oakton is 1983-1984, but it seems highly unlikely that the school assignment got changed one year after rhe first houses in the neighborhood were built.

How could you have grown up in Franklin Farm and be oblivious to the fact that all the homes west of the parkway go to Chantilly? It’s all the kids who go to Oal Hill for ES.

I am aware of that, and I believe my response quite clearly was referring to the poat that said "Franklin Farm was initially Chantilly," which implies that the PP was also discussing the section that is not zoned to Chantilly.

Critical thinking. Try it.

Try writing clearly. Your first sentence was “When was Franklin Farm zoned to Chantilly?” All you needed for clarity was two little words — “all of” right before “Franklin”. It’s ok, I help people write more clearly as part of my job. It’s a skill that can be learned if you work on it.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many Bull Run families who live much closer to CVHS than Westfield. So by your standards, they should not be moved.

There are families zoned to CHS who live closer to Westfield. There are families zoned to Langley who live much closer to Herndon. There are families zoned to Oakton who live much closer to like three other schools. There are families zoned to Robinson who live much closer to CVHS. There are people zoned to SLHS who live closer to HHS. etc etc etc etc.

Are you going to upend the boundaries across the entire county based solely on distance? Interesting approach that is sure to be very popular.

No. But, it is desirable. A lot of people being bused to Oakton used to live in Chantilly boundary--and most did not want to move to Oakton because of the distance. Franklin Farm was initially Chantilly, for example. It's far and away the closest and they would still be there if there were room.

But, Bull Run is mostly equidistant. And, there is a neighborhood right next door to CVHS.

It is one thing if there is only a mile difference. But, when the distance rises to the Willow Springs and the Crossfield neighborhoods that go to Oakton, the bus expense enters in. (And, yes, the Langley people, too. Eventually, they won't have a choice because of Tyson's expansion.)

When was Franklin Farm zoned to Chantilly? 🤔

I grew up in Franklin Farm. My oldest sister graduated from Oakton in 1988. My next sister graduated from Oakton in 1993. I graduated from Oakton in 1996. My younger brother graduated from Oakton in 2000.

My parents had kids at Oakton almost non-stop from 1984-2000, and their former house is still in the Oakton district.

The only year Franklin Farm existed and I can't guarantee that it was zoned to Oakton is 1983-1984, but it seems highly unlikely that the school assignment got changed one year after rhe first houses in the neighborhood were built.

How could you have grown up in Franklin Farm and be oblivious to the fact that all the homes west of the parkway go to Chantilly? It’s all the kids who go to Oal Hill for ES.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many Bull Run families who live much closer to CVHS than Westfield. So by your standards, they should not be moved.

There are families zoned to CHS who live closer to Westfield. There are families zoned to Langley who live much closer to Herndon. There are families zoned to Oakton who live much closer to like three other schools. There are families zoned to Robinson who live much closer to CVHS. There are people zoned to SLHS who live closer to HHS. etc etc etc etc.

Are you going to upend the boundaries across the entire county based solely on distance? Interesting approach that is sure to be very popular.

No. But, it is desirable. A lot of people being bused to Oakton used to live in Chantilly boundary--and most did not want to move to Oakton because of the distance. Franklin Farm was initially Chantilly, for example. It's far and away the closest and they would still be there if there were room.

But, Bull Run is mostly equidistant. And, there is a neighborhood right next door to CVHS.

It is one thing if there is only a mile difference. But, when the distance rises to the Willow Springs and the Crossfield neighborhoods that go to Oakton, the bus expense enters in. (And, yes, the Langley people, too. Eventually, they won't have a choice because of Tyson's expansion.)

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Anonymous wrote:Well, when they did the South Lakes boundary study the "reason" was that 2000 was the optimum size of a high school. That's right after Westfield had an expansion to 3000.

2000 was the official policy for "new" HSes starting in the 1980s. The policy was based on a study that indicated that 2000 was the right size to allow for a full program of studies. Sometime after the SLHS boundary study, FCPS updated the new school size policy from 2000 to the current 2500. IDK the basis for that update.

N.B. Westfield and South County were constructed at 2500 despite the then current official policy being 2000...

The 2008 Boundary study dug up the old policy because the South Lakes PTA and Stuart Gibson could find no other reason to justify the study. It really had nothing to do with the number, it was just an excuse to get more affluent kids into South Lakes.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many Bull Run families who live much closer to CVHS than Westfield. So by your standards, they should not be moved.

There are families zoned to CHS who live closer to Westfield. There are families zoned to Langley who live much closer to Herndon. There are families zoned to Oakton who live much closer to like three other schools. There are families zoned to Robinson who live much closer to CVHS. There are people zoned to SLHS who live closer to HHS. etc etc etc etc.

Are you going to upend the boundaries across the entire county based solely on distance? Interesting approach that is sure to be very popular.

No. But, it is desirable. A lot of people being bused to Oakton used to live in Chantilly boundary--and most did not want to move to Oakton because of the distance. Franklin Farm was initially Chantilly, for example. It's far and away the closest and they would still be there if there were room.

But, Bull Run is mostly equidistant. And, there is a neighborhood right next door to CVHS.

It is one thing if there is only a mile difference. But, when the distance rises to the Willow Springs and the Crossfield neighborhoods that go to Oakton, the bus expense enters in. (And, yes, the Langley people, too. Eventually, they won't have a choice because of Tyson's expansion.)

When was Franklin Farm zoned to Chantilly? 🤔

I grew up in Franklin Farm. My oldest sister graduated from Oakton in 1988. My next sister graduated from Oakton in 1993. I graduated from Oakton in 1996. My younger brother graduated from Oakton in 2000.

My parents had kids at Oakton almost non-stop from 1984-2000, and their former house is still in the Oakton district.

The only year Franklin Farm existed and I can't guarantee that it was zoned to Oakton is 1983-1984, but it seems highly unlikely that the school assignment got changed one year after rhe first houses in the neighborhood were built.

How could you have grown up in Franklin Farm and be oblivious to the fact that all the homes west of the parkway go to Chantilly? It’s all the kids who go to Oal Hill for ES.

I am aware of that, and I believe my response quite clearly was referring to the poat that said "Franklin Farm was initially Chantilly," which implies that the PP was also discussing the section that is not zoned to Chantilly.

Critical thinking. Try it.

Try writing clearly. Your first sentence was “When was Franklin Farm zoned to Chantilly?” All you needed for clarity was two little words — “all of” right before “Franklin”. It’s ok, I help people write more clearly as part of my job. It’s a skill that can be learned if you work on it.

A lot of people being bused to Oakton used to live in Chantilly boundary--and most did not want to move to Oakton because of the distance. Franklin Farm was initially Chantilly, for example. It's far and away the closest and they would still be there if there were room.

Anonymous wrote:FF is like 2000 houses and has a major road, FFX county parkway, dissecting it. Completely unrealistic to expect to be in the same school zone. Not a priority, thank u next.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many Bull Run families who live much closer to CVHS than Westfield. So by your standards, they should not be moved.

There are families zoned to CHS who live closer to Westfield. There are families zoned to Langley who live much closer to Herndon. There are families zoned to Oakton who live much closer to like three other schools. There are families zoned to Robinson who live much closer to CVHS. There are people zoned to SLHS who live closer to HHS. etc etc etc etc.

Are you going to upend the boundaries across the entire county based solely on distance? Interesting approach that is sure to be very popular.

No. But, it is desirable. A lot of people being bused to Oakton used to live in Chantilly boundary--and most did not want to move to Oakton because of the distance. Franklin Farm was initially Chantilly, for example. It's far and away the closest and they would still be there if there were room.

But, Bull Run is mostly equidistant. And, there is a neighborhood right next door to CVHS.

It is one thing if there is only a mile difference. But, when the distance rises to the Willow Springs and the Crossfield neighborhoods that go to Oakton, the bus expense enters in. (And, yes, the Langley people, too. Eventually, they won't have a choice because of Tyson's expansion.)

When was Franklin Farm zoned to Chantilly? 🤔

I grew up in Franklin Farm. My oldest sister graduated from Oakton in 1988. My next sister graduated from Oakton in 1993. I graduated from Oakton in 1996. My younger brother graduated from Oakton in 2000.

My parents had kids at Oakton almost non-stop from 1984-2000, and their former house is still in the Oakton district.

The only year Franklin Farm existed and I can't guarantee that it was zoned to Oakton is 1983-1984, but it seems highly unlikely that the school assignment got changed one year after rhe first houses in the neighborhood were built.

How could you have grown up in Franklin Farm and be oblivious to the fact that all the homes west of the parkway go to Chantilly? It’s all the kids who go to Oal Hill for ES.

I am aware of that, and I believe my response quite clearly was referring to the poat that said "Franklin Farm was initially Chantilly," which implies that the PP was also discussing the section that is not zoned to Chantilly.

Critical thinking. Try it.

Try writing clearly. Your first sentence was “When was Franklin Farm zoned to Chantilly?” All you needed for clarity was two little words — “all of” right before “Franklin”. It’s ok, I help people write more clearly as part of my job. It’s a skill that can be learned if you work on it.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many Bull Run families who live much closer to CVHS than Westfield. So by your standards, they should not be moved.

There are families zoned to CHS who live closer to Westfield. There are families zoned to Langley who live much closer to Herndon. There are families zoned to Oakton who live much closer to like three other schools. There are families zoned to Robinson who live much closer to CVHS. There are people zoned to SLHS who live closer to HHS. etc etc etc etc.

Are you going to upend the boundaries across the entire county based solely on distance? Interesting approach that is sure to be very popular.

No. But, it is desirable. A lot of people being bused to Oakton used to live in Chantilly boundary--and most did not want to move to Oakton because of the distance. Franklin Farm was initially Chantilly, for example. It's far and away the closest and they would still be there if there were room.

But, Bull Run is mostly equidistant. And, there is a neighborhood right next door to CVHS.

It is one thing if there is only a mile difference. But, when the distance rises to the Willow Springs and the Crossfield neighborhoods that go to Oakton, the bus expense enters in. (And, yes, the Langley people, too. Eventually, they won't have a choice because of Tyson's expansion.)

When was Franklin Farm zoned to Chantilly? 🤔

I grew up in Franklin Farm. My oldest sister graduated from Oakton in 1988. My next sister graduated from Oakton in 1993. I graduated from Oakton in 1996. My younger brother graduated from Oakton in 2000.

My parents had kids at Oakton almost non-stop from 1984-2000, and their former house is still in the Oakton district.

The only year Franklin Farm existed and I can't guarantee that it was zoned to Oakton is 1983-1984, but it seems highly unlikely that the school assignment got changed one year after rhe first houses in the neighborhood were built.

How could you have grown up in Franklin Farm and be oblivious to the fact that all the homes west of the parkway go to Chantilly? It’s all the kids who go to Oal Hill for ES.

I am aware of that, and I believe my response quite clearly was referring to the poat that said "Franklin Farm was initially Chantilly," which implies that the PP was also discussing the section that is not zoned to Chantilly.

Critical thinking. Try it.