Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Policies are subject to revision without notice apparently:

The new policy language is going to be problematic in a lot of ways:

Under this policy, you can’t share the following types of private information, without the permission of the person who it belongs to:
…

live location information, including information shared on Twitter directly or links to 3rd-party URL(s) of travel routes, actual physical location, or other identifying information that would reveal a person’s location, regardless if this information is publicly available;

If this provision is construed to allow Musk to have information about the location of hai private jet blocked from Twitter, then no one can post images of any public events like concerts, sporting events, or even just a public street if there are any people captured in the photo unless you have the permission of every person in the photo/video to do so. Otherwise you’re revealing the actual physical location of those people without their permission.

The elonjet account doesn’t appear to violate this rule. First, the information doesn’t “belong” to Elon. It belongs to the government and they gave permission. Second, the location of his jet doesn’t necessarily show where he is. He isn’t on his jet all the time. And the jet likely moves quite a bit when he’s not aboard.

And that’s why the interpretation that calls for suspending ElonJet is problematic. It only works if you deem the “private information” to be the fact of your physical location, rather than the data used to derive your physical location. The data may belong to someone else, but the fact of your physical location belongs to you. That’s why, for instance, a sports team would not be able to tweet out a photo of a play without getting explicit permission from everyone visible in the photo. It doesn’t matter than, as a condition of admission, you gave the team the right to use photos including your likeness, because you didn’t give them specific permission to share “private” information about your physical location. It similarly means you couldn’t tweet out “At Capital One Arena watching the Caps play - Ovi playing out of his mind!” without Alex Ovechkin’s explicit permission to share information about his physical location, even though it’s publicly available information.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Policies are subject to revision without notice apparently:

The new policy language is going to be problematic in a lot of ways:

Under this policy, you can’t share the following types of private information, without the permission of the person who it belongs to:
…

live location information, including information shared on Twitter directly or links to 3rd-party URL(s) of travel routes, actual physical location, or other identifying information that would reveal a person’s location, regardless if this information is publicly available;

If this provision is construed to allow Musk to have information about the location of hai private jet blocked from Twitter, then no one can post images of any public events like concerts, sporting events, or even just a public street if there are any people captured in the photo unless you have the permission of every person in the photo/video to do so. Otherwise you’re revealing the actual physical location of those people without their permission.

The elonjet account doesn’t appear to violate this rule. First, the information doesn’t “belong” to Elon. It belongs to the government and they gave permission. Second, the location of his jet doesn’t necessarily show where he is. He isn’t on his jet all the time. And the jet likely moves quite a bit when he’s not aboard.

Now @ElonJet is suspended again! The only things tweeted from the account since it was restored were requests for rules clarification.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Policies are subject to revision without notice apparently:

The new policy language is going to be problematic in a lot of ways:

Under this policy, you can’t share the following types of private information, without the permission of the person who it belongs to:
…

live location information, including information shared on Twitter directly or links to 3rd-party URL(s) of travel routes, actual physical location, or other identifying information that would reveal a person’s location, regardless if this information is publicly available;

If this provision is construed to allow Musk to have information about the location of hai private jet blocked from Twitter, then no one can post images of any public events like concerts, sporting events, or even just a public street if there are any people captured in the photo unless you have the permission of every person in the photo/video to do so. Otherwise you’re revealing the actual physical location of those people without their permission.

It isn’t private information. It’s publicly available information. The information doesn’t belong to the jet owner. It’s a legally indefensible rule.

Totally legally defensible. It's Musk game so it's Musk's rules. Nobody said they had to make sense. But, practically, the rule is unworkable. If a White House reporter tweets that Marine 1 just landed at the White House, that's a violation.

jsteele wrote:@ElonJet is back up. What the heck is going on at Twitter? Taibbi and Weiss need to get on this and let us know the behind the scenes activity.

In just a couple of days, @ElonJet has gone from normal operation with Musk saying he wouldn't ban the account, to getting shadow banned, back to normal, getting suspended, and back to normal. I've seen ping pong games with less action.

Someone explained the Streisand effect to him or he talked to a non-sycophant lawyer.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Policies are subject to revision without notice apparently:

The new policy language is going to be problematic in a lot of ways:

Under this policy, you can’t share the following types of private information, without the permission of the person who it belongs to:
…

live location information, including information shared on Twitter directly or links to 3rd-party URL(s) of travel routes, actual physical location, or other identifying information that would reveal a person’s location, regardless if this information is publicly available;

If this provision is construed to allow Musk to have information about the location of hai private jet blocked from Twitter, then no one can post images of any public events like concerts, sporting events, or even just a public street if there are any people captured in the photo unless you have the permission of every person in the photo/video to do so. Otherwise you’re revealing the actual physical location of those people without their permission.

It isn’t private information. It’s publicly available information. The information doesn’t belong to the jet owner. It’s a legally indefensible rule.

@ElonJet is back up. What the heck is going on at Twitter? Taibbi and Weiss need to get on this and let us know the behind the scenes activity.

In just a couple of days, @ElonJet has gone from normal operation with Musk saying he wouldn't ban the account, to getting shadow banned, back to normal, getting suspended, and back to normal. I've seen ping pong games with less action.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The world's (formerly) richest man stops paying rent !!!??? on Twitter's offices due to the turmoil at the company? Holy cr*p. Sounds like he is doing a GREAT JOB

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-has-reportedly-stopped-paying-rent-on-twitter-offices-and-told-staff-not-to-pay-vendors-11671019938

I suspect it’s a gambit to get lower rent. Commercial landlords are hurting bad now and may reduce twitters rent rather than evict and fight with them. The flip side of course is that the landlords cannot let it be known that this is all you need to do to get a better deal or every tenant will do it. And that’s a particularly big concern with a high profile company like Twitter.

He has to make interest payments on $13b of debt, or twitter ends up in the hands of the banks. He's doing everything possible to hold onto cash, including selling off furniture and equipment. He might stiff people on severance.

What he doesn't pay in severance, he'll pay in lawyer fees. If he has competent legal help, they're going to need some pretty fat retainers.

Stopping payment on all of the things listed in the article strongly suggests Twitter is planning to file for bankruptcy any day now. Then everyone who wants to sue Twitter will have to do it through the bankruptcy court, and it lets Twitter hold onto cash that could be used to negotiate a debt restructuring rather than having to chase everyone who was paid through clawback proceedings.

If he really managed to bankrupt the company in less than 2 months, that would be a true achievement.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The world's (formerly) richest man stops paying rent !!!??? on Twitter's offices due to the turmoil at the company? Holy cr*p. Sounds like he is doing a GREAT JOB

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-has-reportedly-stopped-paying-rent-on-twitter-offices-and-told-staff-not-to-pay-vendors-11671019938

I suspect it’s a gambit to get lower rent. Commercial landlords are hurting bad now and may reduce twitters rent rather than evict and fight with them. The flip side of course is that the landlords cannot let it be known that this is all you need to do to get a better deal or every tenant will do it. And that’s a particularly big concern with a high profile company like Twitter.

He has to make interest payments on $13b of debt, or twitter ends up in the hands of the banks. He's doing everything possible to hold onto cash, including selling off furniture and equipment. He might stiff people on severance.

What he doesn't pay in severance, he'll pay in lawyer fees. If he has competent legal help, they're going to need some pretty fat retainers.

Stopping payment on all of the things listed in the article strongly suggests Twitter is planning to file for bankruptcy any day now. Then everyone who wants to sue Twitter will have to do it through the bankruptcy court, and it lets Twitter hold onto cash that could be used to negotiate a debt restructuring rather than having to chase everyone who was paid through clawback proceedings.

jsteele wrote:Policies are subject to revision without notice apparently:

The new policy language is going to be problematic in a lot of ways:

Under this policy, you can’t share the following types of private information, without the permission of the person who it belongs to:
…

live location information, including information shared on Twitter directly or links to 3rd-party URL(s) of travel routes, actual physical location, or other identifying information that would reveal a person’s location, regardless if this information is publicly available;

If this provision is construed to allow Musk to have information about the location of hai private jet blocked from Twitter, then no one can post images of any public events like concerts, sporting events, or even just a public street if there are any people captured in the photo unless you have the permission of every person in the photo/video to do so. Otherwise you’re revealing the actual physical location of those people without their permission.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The world's (formerly) richest man stops paying rent !!!??? on Twitter's offices due to the turmoil at the company? Holy cr*p. Sounds like he is doing a GREAT JOB

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-has-reportedly-stopped-paying-rent-on-twitter-offices-and-told-staff-not-to-pay-vendors-11671019938

I suspect it’s a gambit to get lower rent. Commercial landlords are hurting bad now and may reduce twitters rent rather than evict and fight with them. The flip side of course is that the landlords cannot let it be known that this is all you need to do to get a better deal or every tenant will do it. And that’s a particularly big concern with a high profile company like Twitter.

He has to make interest payments on $13b of debt, or twitter ends up in the hands of the banks. He's doing everything possible to hold onto cash, including selling off furniture and equipment. He might stiff people on severance.

I don't think furniture and equipment is going to generate a billion dollars.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Policies are subject to revision without notice apparently:

Hey there hypocrite! Here is your nothing burger.

Can’t have it both ways! Go ahead and delete being called out for what you are.

Could you please rephrase this so that it makes at least partial sense?

Maybe if you remove the pacifier from your mouth you will be able to speak more clearly?

Pretty sure he's saying the "Twitter Files" are nothingburger because Elon is happy to engage in the same behavior as he claims the prior team did, and no one on the right cares when Elon does it.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Policies are subject to revision without notice apparently:

Hey there hypocrite! Here is your nothing burger.

Can’t have it both ways! Go ahead and delete being called out for what you are.

Could you please rephrase this so that it makes at least partial sense?

Maybe if you remove the pacifier from your mouth you will be able to speak more clearly?

jsteele wrote:Policies are subject to revision without notice apparently:

Hey there hypocrite! Here is your nothing burger.

Can’t have it both ways! Go ahead and delete being called out for what you are.

Policies are subject to revision without notice apparently: