Anonymous
04/19/2015 19:09
Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Many people don't use proper car seats or have them installed properly. Separate issues. Kids should not be going to the park alone.
Why?
(I agree with you that the car seat business is not a good analogy. The laws on car seats are clear, and the safety benefits from car seats ought to be indisputable, although actually some people do dispute them: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/10/magazine/10FREAK.html )
Because kids have needs. They need supervision, they need help with things, etc. We get so tired of going to the playground having kids insisting on us playing with them, entertaining them, trying to eat our snacks (sorry, no, not without parents permission and bring your own), and insisting we lift them, push them on the swing, try to ride our bikes, scooters. We aren't lifting or touching another child except in an emergency - not taking the risk of being accused of something. Most parents who are at the park are so checked out and have no clue or don't care what their kids are doing. It always amazes us.
Anonymous
04/19/2015 19:08
Subject: Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:It takes 130 pages for someone to mention that the mom isn't a scientist or whatever she's been portrayed in the news but a writer of (bad) erotic fiction?!?!?! Somehow that just makes the whole story that much more ridiculous. (The ridiculous part being that they have managed to provoke a massive amount of press around a nonexistent threat from overbearing police, CPS, school secretaries and others....)
Dad is a scientist.
Anonymous
04/19/2015 18:55
Subject: Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:It takes 130 pages for someone to mention that the mom isn't a scientist or whatever she's been portrayed in the news but a writer of (bad) erotic fiction?!?!?! Somehow that just makes the whole story that much more ridiculous. (The ridiculous part being that they have managed to provoke a massive amount of press around a nonexistent threat from overbearing police, CPS, school secretaries and others....)
It is possible to be a scientist AND a writer of erotic fiction. In fact, not only is it possible, it's the actual reality in this case.
But I'm sure that they will be very reassured to hear that you consider the threat from CPS to be non-existent.
Anonymous
04/19/2015 18:44
Subject: Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
It takes 130 pages for someone to mention that the mom isn't a scientist or whatever she's been portrayed in the news but a writer of (bad) erotic fiction?!?!?! Somehow that just makes the whole story that much more ridiculous. (The ridiculous part being that they have managed to provoke a massive amount of press around a nonexistent threat from overbearing police, CPS, school secretaries and others....)
Anonymous
04/19/2015 18:29
Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:
Many people don't use proper car seats or have them installed properly. Separate issues. Kids should not be going to the park alone.
Why?
(I agree with you that the car seat business is not a good analogy. The laws on car seats are clear, and the safety benefits from car seats ought to be indisputable, although actually some people do dispute them: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/10/magazine/10FREAK.html )
Anonymous
04/19/2015 18:26
Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Sadly, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
I am 100% certain that when George Santayana said "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it," he was not talking about children walking home from the park.
Not to mention that I think it's fine for a six-year-old and a seven-year-old to walk around by themselves precisely because I can remember the past.
It's nice that you had a lovely childhood into which tragedy never stepped. Some of us had personal experience with kids whose lives were ruined or ended because parents did not supervise appropriately.
You may make decisions for yourself, based on your personal experiences, which I am sorry about. You do not get to make decisions for other people, based on your personal experiences.
I have personal experience with people who died in car wrecks. And yet I don't call CPS when a parent puts a child into a car.
Our village creates standards of safety that take account of the entirety of various experiences. Someone who has never had a bad experience may be unaware of certain possibilities. Others who have experience can point out bumps in the path to those who come behind. We don't require each and every person to discover each and every bump on the road on their own.
If you saw a parent consistently putting children into the car without any kind of safety restraint, I would hope you would speak up for those children and call CPS. We do what we can to lower risk when we can, and seat belts and car seats have been shown to reduce death and injury in car accidents, so we do have regulations about safety restraints for children in cars. We have decided as a society that we should require adults and children to wear seat belts and sit in car seats.
See I wouldn't call the police on that. I would leave the mom a note on her windshield or mention the car seat laws so she wouldn't get in trouble. Either way, it is not a reason to call police. And in this situation there are actually legit car seat laws. No laws on kids going to the park. How the police officer was able to detain these kids is beyond me.
Many people don't use proper car seats or have them installed properly. Separate issues. Kids should not be going to the park alone.
Anonymous
04/19/2015 17:48
Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
See I wouldn't call the police on that. I would leave the mom a note on her windshield or mention the car seat laws so she wouldn't get in trouble. Either way, it is not a reason to call police. And in this situation there are actually legit car seat laws. No laws on kids going to the park. How the police officer was able to detain these kids is beyond me.
What if you left her a note and chatted with her and she noted that she was opposed to safety restraints because the kids like the freedom of being in the vehicle without a seat belt or car seat? What if she said she wanted her kids to have the fun of rolling around in the back of the station wagon like she did as a kid?
What if you added a bunch of additional what-ifs to the original scenario, which is irrelevant to this case anyway?
Lawyer-types love to think in hypotheticals and love nothing more than a good analogy!
Frequently, issues become more clear when we can compare to analogous situations.
Anonymous
04/19/2015 17:44
Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
See I wouldn't call the police on that. I would leave the mom a note on her windshield or mention the car seat laws so she wouldn't get in trouble. Either way, it is not a reason to call police. And in this situation there are actually legit car seat laws. No laws on kids going to the park. How the police officer was able to detain these kids is beyond me.
What if you left her a note and chatted with her and she noted that she was opposed to safety restraints because the kids like the freedom of being in the vehicle without a seat belt or car seat? What if she said she wanted her kids to have the fun of rolling around in the back of the station wagon like she did as a kid?
What if you added a bunch of additional what-ifs to the original scenario, which is irrelevant to this case anyway?
Anonymous
04/19/2015 17:42
Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Sadly, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
I am 100% certain that when George Santayana said "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it," he was not talking about children walking home from the park.
Not to mention that I think it's fine for a six-year-old and a seven-year-old to walk around by themselves precisely because I can remember the past.
It's nice that you had a lovely childhood into which tragedy never stepped. Some of us had personal experience with kids whose lives were ruined or ended because parents did not supervise appropriately.
You may make decisions for yourself, based on your personal experiences, which I am sorry about. You do not get to make decisions for other people, based on your personal experiences.
I have personal experience with people who died in car wrecks. And yet I don't call CPS when a parent puts a child into a car.
Our village creates standards of safety that take account of the entirety of various experiences. Someone who has never had a bad experience may be unaware of certain possibilities. Others who have experience can point out bumps in the path to those who come behind. We don't require each and every person to discover each and every bump on the road on their own.
If you saw a parent consistently putting children into the car without any kind of safety restraint, I would hope you would speak up for those children and call CPS. We do what we can to lower risk when we can, and seat belts and car seats have been shown to reduce death and injury in car accidents, so we do have regulations about safety restraints for children in cars. We have decided as a society that we should require adults and children to wear seat belts and sit in car seats.
See I wouldn't call the police on that. I would leave the mom a note on her windshield or mention the car seat laws so she wouldn't get in trouble. Either way, it is not a reason to call police. And in this situation there are actually legit car seat laws. No laws on kids going to the park. How the police officer was able to detain these kids is beyond me.
What if you left her a note and chatted with her and she noted that she was opposed to safety restraints because the kids like the freedom of being in the vehicle without a seat belt or car seat? What if she said she wanted her kids to have the fun of rolling around in the back of the station wagon like she did as a kid?
Anonymous
04/19/2015 17:41
Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:
Our village creates standards of safety that take account of the entirety of various experiences. Someone who has never had a bad experience may be unaware of certain possibilities. Others who have experience can point out bumps in the path to those who come behind. We don't require each and every person to discover each and every bump on the road on their own.
If you saw a parent consistently putting children into the car without any kind of safety restraint, I would hope you would speak up for those children and call CPS. We do what we can to lower risk when we can, and seat belts and car seats have been shown to reduce death and injury in car accidents, so we do have regulations about safety restraints for children in cars. We have decided as a society that we should require adults and children to wear seat belts and sit in car seats.
I don't think that "village" means what you think it means. (I'm assuming that you're the same PP who has previously talked about how laws represent the will of the village.) Or if it does, I'm glad that I live in a county with over a million people, instead of in a village where everybody is always all up in my business about every little thing that is none of theirs.
Anonymous
04/19/2015 17:36
Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Sadly, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
I am 100% certain that when George Santayana said "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it," he was not talking about children walking home from the park.
Not to mention that I think it's fine for a six-year-old and a seven-year-old to walk around by themselves precisely because I can remember the past.
It's nice that you had a lovely childhood into which tragedy never stepped. Some of us had personal experience with kids whose lives were ruined or ended because parents did not supervise appropriately.
You may make decisions for yourself, based on your personal experiences, which I am sorry about. You do not get to make decisions for other people, based on your personal experiences.
I have personal experience with people who died in car wrecks. And yet I don't call CPS when a parent puts a child into a car.
Our village creates standards of safety that take account of the entirety of various experiences. Someone who has never had a bad experience may be unaware of certain possibilities. Others who have experience can point out bumps in the path to those who come behind. We don't require each and every person to discover each and every bump on the road on their own.
If you saw a parent consistently putting children into the car without any kind of safety restraint, I would hope you would speak up for those children and call CPS. We do what we can to lower risk when we can, and seat belts and car seats have been shown to reduce death and injury in car accidents, so we do have regulations about safety restraints for children in cars. We have decided as a society that we should require adults and children to wear seat belts and sit in car seats.
See I wouldn't call the police on that. I would leave the mom a note on her windshield or mention the car seat laws so she wouldn't get in trouble. Either way, it is not a reason to call police. And in this situation there are actually legit car seat laws. No laws on kids going to the park. How the police officer was able to detain these kids is beyond me.
Anonymous
04/19/2015 17:33
Subject: Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone provide the link to the mom's blog?
I'm not aware of a blog but she is a writer of erotic novels and here is her web site
http://authorjoydaniels.com/
OMG, this is a whole new wrinkle to the situation. Has anyone read one of her books?
How is the mother's work relevant to the case? Aside from prurient curiosity.
Wow, now that I know the mom's job I think they should arrest her?
There are are police, nurses, and doctors that kill. Teachers that molest. And strippers that are trying to just put food on the table for their family. But you go ahead and judge a person's character based on their job.
Anonymous
04/19/2015 15:20
Subject: Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone provide the link to the mom's blog?
I'm not aware of a blog but she is a writer of erotic novels and here is her web site
http://authorjoydaniels.com/
OMG, this is a whole new wrinkle to the situation. Has anyone read one of her books?
What wrinkle? I used to read a lot of romantica and erotica, back when I had the time. It's very lucrative, a way for an author to actually make a living by writing.
Anonymous
04/19/2015 15:18
Subject: Re:Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Sadly, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
I am 100% certain that when George Santayana said "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it," he was not talking about children walking home from the park.
Not to mention that I think it's fine for a six-year-old and a seven-year-old to walk around by themselves precisely because I can remember the past.
It's nice that you had a lovely childhood into which tragedy never stepped. Some of us had personal experience with kids whose lives were ruined or ended because parents did not supervise appropriately.
You may make decisions for yourself, based on your personal experiences, which I am sorry about. You do not get to make decisions for other people, based on your personal experiences.
I have personal experience with people who died in car wrecks. And yet I don't call CPS when a parent puts a child into a car.
Our village creates standards of safety that take account of the entirety of various experiences. Someone who has never had a bad experience may be unaware of certain possibilities. Others who have experience can point out bumps in the path to those who come behind. We don't require each and every person to discover each and every bump on the road on their own.
If you saw a parent consistently putting children into the car without any kind of safety restraint, I would hope you would speak up for those children and call CPS. We do what we can to lower risk when we can, and seat belts and car seats have been shown to reduce death and injury in car accidents, so we do have regulations about safety restraints for children in cars. We have decided as a society that we should require adults and children to wear seat belts and sit in car seats.
Anonymous
04/19/2015 15:00
Subject: Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone provide the link to the mom's blog?
I'm not aware of a blog but she is a writer of erotic novels and here is her web site
http://authorjoydaniels.com/
OMG, this is a whole new wrinkle to the situation. Has anyone read one of her books?
How is the mother's work relevant to the case? Aside from prurient curiosity.