Anonymous
07/31/2021 09:11
Subject: Re:Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LUNCH IN THE CAFETERIA IS THE PROBLEM
I see this has become the new drumbeat. It’s always something.
Some of us have had no choice but to send our kids to school or daycare of done kind during the pandemic. Those of us with younger kids may have tried to tough it out at home for a bit, but you cannot keep a 5 yr old at home full time while also working full time, especially if you have to be in person for any of that time. Many people don’t have room or money for a nanny, and some kids need to be in a classroom environment for socio-emotional reasons.
Point is, many of our kids have been in school environments where they wear masks except for meals for months and months. And what we’ve learned is that it’s fine. Meals are a time when it’s relatively easy to keep kids social distanced, and with proper ventilation, the risk really doesn’t seem to be high. Could a child come in shedding virus and transmit it during lunch? Yes, but it’s as if not more likely to happen at a time when the kids are close to each other and interacting. Combined with other precautions (temp checks, strict rules about kids staying home with ANY symptom, and quarantine rules for travel, plus masks and good HVAC) it’s okay and outbreaks are minimized. My kid’s PK has not had a single positive case all year, and kids had to be tested after any travel even if asymptomatic.
You need to stop getting hung up on what you perceived as individual flask points of risk. Outdoor lunch every day is not feasible because of weather and the limited outdoor space at many schools. So let’s look for other ways to mitigate and not obsess over this one thing. Big picture.
If your kids were in daycare or school this past year they ate the classrooms. That’s not happening this year.
Anonymous
07/31/2021 09:11
Subject: Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I just remind people that this disease isn’t that bad for children? It’s not.
Do you send your kids to school during flu outbreaks? Your kid with underlying medical conditions? You probably do, although from now on you may not because everyone is suddenly afraid of every child being at all ever sick.
Keep reminding yourself this, because it’s not going away.
Oklahoma pediatric ICUs are now full and are diverting to other states.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-children-risk-of-covid-19-death-or-serious-illness-remain-extremely-low-new-studies-find-11625785260?mod=djemalertNEWS
This is not a study of Delta, which is resulting in more serious infections.
There is zero evidence Delta is more severe for children. Stop.
That’s just not true. Look at hospitalization data for children between the original strain, alpha and delta.
Everything I have seen says that yes, delta is more severe, but risk of severe disease in kids is still very low. Kids have higher risk of poor outcomes with flu and car crashes. https://emilyoster.substack.com/p/kids-and-the-delta-variant-should
I haven’t seen anything conclusive that Delta is more severe for adults or kids.
What I have read is that it’s more contagious but not more severe. Therefore more kids are getting it so the total with severe symptoms has increased just by sheer numbers.
Anonymous
07/31/2021 09:10
Subject: Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I just remind people that this disease isn’t that bad for children? It’s not.
Do you send your kids to school during flu outbreaks? Your kid with underlying medical conditions? You probably do, although from now on you may not because everyone is suddenly afraid of every child being at all ever sick.
Keep reminding yourself this, because it’s not going away.
Oklahoma pediatric ICUs are now full and are diverting to other states.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-children-risk-of-covid-19-death-or-serious-illness-remain-extremely-low-new-studies-find-11625785260?mod=djemalertNEWS
This is not a study of Delta, which is resulting in more serious infections.
There is zero evidence Delta is more severe for children. Stop.
That’s just not true. Look at hospitalization data for children between the original strain, alpha and delta.
Everything I have seen says that yes, delta is more severe, but risk of severe disease in kids is still very low. Kids have higher risk of poor outcomes with flu and car crashes. https://emilyoster.substack.com/p/kids-and-the-delta-variant-should
We. Can. Mitigate. Risk. For. Flu.
Also Emily Oyster should not be relied on for anything. She doesn’t have the credentials.
She is a HEALTH ECONOMIST. her actual job is to analyze health data and assess costs and benefits.
but yeah, let us know your credentials?
and of course we can mitigate covid. mitigated covid from last year of school and all summer of camp tell us school with mitigated covid measures is fine. Let me say it again: ZERO children died of covid in DC. (or MoCo.)
Anonymous
07/31/2021 09:08
Subject: Re:Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LUNCH IN THE CAFETERIA IS THE PROBLEM
I see this has become the new drumbeat. It’s always something.
Some of us have had no choice but to send our kids to school or daycare of done kind during the pandemic. Those of us with younger kids may have tried to tough it out at home for a bit, but you cannot keep a 5 yr old at home full time while also working full time, especially if you have to be in person for any of that time. Many people don’t have room or money for a nanny, and some kids need to be in a classroom environment for socio-emotional reasons.
Point is, many of our kids have been in school environments where they wear masks except for meals for months and months. And what we’ve learned is that it’s fine. Meals are a time when it’s relatively easy to keep kids social distanced, and with proper ventilation, the risk really doesn’t seem to be high. Could a child come in shedding virus and transmit it during lunch? Yes, but it’s as if not more likely to happen at a time when the kids are close to each other and interacting. Combined with other precautions (temp checks, strict rules about kids staying home with ANY symptom, and quarantine rules for travel, plus masks and good HVAC) it’s okay and outbreaks are minimized. My kid’s PK has not had a single positive case all year, and kids had to be tested after any travel even if asymptomatic.
You need to stop getting hung up on what you perceived as individual flask points of risk. Outdoor lunch every day is not feasible because of weather and the limited outdoor space at many schools. So let’s look for other ways to mitigate and not obsess over this one thing. Big picture.
exactly. I think this fixation also comes from an unfortunate overestimation of the protection afforded by cloth masks.
And from a fixation on the perceived risk free environment of school and cafeterias the entire time they have had children prior to Covid.
just wait until they have to cope with ventilated lock-down drills. lol!!!
Anonymous
07/31/2021 09:07
Subject: Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I just remind people that this disease isn’t that bad for children? It’s not.
Do you send your kids to school during flu outbreaks? Your kid with underlying medical conditions? You probably do, although from now on you may not because everyone is suddenly afraid of every child being at all ever sick.
Keep reminding yourself this, because it’s not going away.
Oklahoma pediatric ICUs are now full and are diverting to other states.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-children-risk-of-covid-19-death-or-serious-illness-remain-extremely-low-new-studies-find-11625785260?mod=djemalertNEWS
This is not a study of Delta, which is resulting in more serious infections.
There is zero evidence Delta is more severe for children. Stop.
That’s just not true. Look at hospitalization data for children between the original strain, alpha and delta.
Everything I have seen says that yes, delta is more severe, but risk of severe disease in kids is still very low. Kids have higher risk of poor outcomes with flu and car crashes. https://emilyoster.substack.com/p/kids-and-the-delta-variant-should
I haven’t seen anything conclusive that Delta is more severe for adults or kids.
Anonymous
07/31/2021 08:45
Subject: Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?
Here’s an op-Ed headline: “Have we forgotten what it means for kids to get sick?” - meaning the thousands of viruses they bring home every single year from daycare and school.
Anonymous
07/31/2021 08:45
Subject: Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I just remind people that this disease isn’t that bad for children? It’s not.
Do you send your kids to school during flu outbreaks? Your kid with underlying medical conditions? You probably do, although from now on you may not because everyone is suddenly afraid of every child being at all ever sick.
Keep reminding yourself this, because it’s not going away.
Oklahoma pediatric ICUs are now full and are diverting to other states.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-children-risk-of-covid-19-death-or-serious-illness-remain-extremely-low-new-studies-find-11625785260?mod=djemalertNEWS
This is not a study of Delta, which is resulting in more serious infections.
There is zero evidence Delta is more severe for children. Stop.
That’s just not true. Look at hospitalization data for children between the original strain, alpha and delta.
Everything I have seen says that yes, delta is more severe, but risk of severe disease in kids is still very low. Kids have higher risk of poor outcomes with flu and car crashes. https://emilyoster.substack.com/p/kids-and-the-delta-variant-should
We. Can. Mitigate. Risk. For. Flu.
Also Emily Oyster should not be relied on for anything. She doesn’t have the credentials.
Anonymous
07/31/2021 08:44
Subject: Re:Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LUNCH IN THE CAFETERIA IS THE PROBLEM
I see this has become the new drumbeat. It’s always something.
Some of us have had no choice but to send our kids to school or daycare of done kind during the pandemic. Those of us with younger kids may have tried to tough it out at home for a bit, but you cannot keep a 5 yr old at home full time while also working full time, especially if you have to be in person for any of that time. Many people don’t have room or money for a nanny, and some kids need to be in a classroom environment for socio-emotional reasons.
Point is, many of our kids have been in school environments where they wear masks except for meals for months and months. And what we’ve learned is that it’s fine. Meals are a time when it’s relatively easy to keep kids social distanced, and with proper ventilation, the risk really doesn’t seem to be high. Could a child come in shedding virus and transmit it during lunch? Yes, but it’s as if not more likely to happen at a time when the kids are close to each other and interacting. Combined with other precautions (temp checks, strict rules about kids staying home with ANY symptom, and quarantine rules for travel, plus masks and good HVAC) it’s okay and outbreaks are minimized. My kid’s PK has not had a single positive case all year, and kids had to be tested after any travel even if asymptomatic.
You need to stop getting hung up on what you perceived as individual flask points of risk. Outdoor lunch every day is not feasible because of weather and the limited outdoor space at many schools. So let’s look for other ways to mitigate and not obsess over this one thing. Big picture.
exactly. I think this fixation also comes from an unfortunate overestimation of the protection afforded by cloth masks.
And from a fixation on the perceived risk free environment of school and cafeterias the entire time they have had children prior to Covid.
Anonymous
07/31/2021 08:43
Subject: Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I just remind people that this disease isn’t that bad for children? It’s not.
Do you send your kids to school during flu outbreaks? Your kid with underlying medical conditions? You probably do, although from now on you may not because everyone is suddenly afraid of every child being at all ever sick.
Keep reminding yourself this, because it’s not going away.
Oklahoma pediatric ICUs are now full and are diverting to other states.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-children-risk-of-covid-19-death-or-serious-illness-remain-extremely-low-new-studies-find-11625785260?mod=djemalertNEWS
This is not a study of Delta, which is resulting in more serious infections.
There is zero evidence Delta is more severe for children. Stop.
That’s just not true. Look at hospitalization data for children between the original strain, alpha and delta.
Everything I have seen says that yes, delta is more severe, but risk of severe disease in kids is still very low. Kids have higher risk of poor outcomes with flu and car crashes. https://emilyoster.substack.com/p/kids-and-the-delta-variant-should
Anonymous
07/31/2021 08:37
Subject: Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I just remind people that this disease isn’t that bad for children? It’s not.
Do you send your kids to school during flu outbreaks? Your kid with underlying medical conditions? You probably do, although from now on you may not because everyone is suddenly afraid of every child being at all ever sick.
Keep reminding yourself this, because it’s not going away.
Oklahoma pediatric ICUs are now full and are diverting to other states.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-children-risk-of-covid-19-death-or-serious-illness-remain-extremely-low-new-studies-find-11625785260?mod=djemalertNEWS
This is not a study of Delta, which is resulting in more serious infections.
There is zero evidence Delta is more severe for children. Stop.
That’s just not true. Look at hospitalization data for children between the original strain, alpha and delta.
Anonymous
07/31/2021 08:29
Subject: Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?
We should have news about vaxs for younger kids soon. Teens in some wards can get iPods for vaxs. I am keeping my fingers crossed.
Anonymous
07/31/2021 08:25
Subject: Re:Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LUNCH IN THE CAFETERIA IS THE PROBLEM
I see this has become the new drumbeat. It’s always something.
Some of us have had no choice but to send our kids to school or daycare of done kind during the pandemic. Those of us with younger kids may have tried to tough it out at home for a bit, but you cannot keep a 5 yr old at home full time while also working full time, especially if you have to be in person for any of that time. Many people don’t have room or money for a nanny, and some kids need to be in a classroom environment for socio-emotional reasons.
Point is, many of our kids have been in school environments where they wear masks except for meals for months and months. And what we’ve learned is that it’s fine. Meals are a time when it’s relatively easy to keep kids social distanced, and with proper ventilation, the risk really doesn’t seem to be high. Could a child come in shedding virus and transmit it during lunch? Yes, but it’s as if not more likely to happen at a time when the kids are close to each other and interacting. Combined with other precautions (temp checks, strict rules about kids staying home with ANY symptom, and quarantine rules for travel, plus masks and good HVAC) it’s okay and outbreaks are minimized. My kid’s PK has not had a single positive case all year, and kids had to be tested after any travel even if asymptomatic.
You need to stop getting hung up on what you perceived as individual flask points of risk. Outdoor lunch every day is not feasible because of weather and the limited outdoor space at many schools. So let’s look for other ways to mitigate and not obsess over this one thing. Big picture.
exactly. I think this fixation also comes from an unfortunate overestimation of the protection afforded by cloth masks.
Anonymous
07/31/2021 08:22
Subject: Re:Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?
Anonymous wrote:LUNCH IN THE CAFETERIA IS THE PROBLEM
I see this has become the new drumbeat. It’s always something.
Some of us have had no choice but to send our kids to school or daycare of done kind during the pandemic. Those of us with younger kids may have tried to tough it out at home for a bit, but you cannot keep a 5 yr old at home full time while also working full time, especially if you have to be in person for any of that time. Many people don’t have room or money for a nanny, and some kids need to be in a classroom environment for socio-emotional reasons.
Point is, many of our kids have been in school environments where they wear masks except for meals for months and months. And what we’ve learned is that it’s fine. Meals are a time when it’s relatively easy to keep kids social distanced, and with proper ventilation, the risk really doesn’t seem to be high. Could a child come in shedding virus and transmit it during lunch? Yes, but it’s as if not more likely to happen at a time when the kids are close to each other and interacting. Combined with other precautions (temp checks, strict rules about kids staying home with ANY symptom, and quarantine rules for travel, plus masks and good HVAC) it’s okay and outbreaks are minimized. My kid’s PK has not had a single positive case all year, and kids had to be tested after any travel even if asymptomatic.
You need to stop getting hung up on what you perceived as individual flask points of risk. Outdoor lunch every day is not feasible because of weather and the limited outdoor space at many schools. So let’s look for other ways to mitigate and not obsess over this one thing. Big picture.
Anonymous
07/31/2021 08:18
Subject: Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I just remind people that this disease isn’t that bad for children? It’s not.
Do you send your kids to school during flu outbreaks? Your kid with underlying medical conditions? You probably do, although from now on you may not because everyone is suddenly afraid of every child being at all ever sick.
Keep reminding yourself this, because it’s not going away.
Oklahoma pediatric ICUs are now full and are diverting to other states.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-children-risk-of-covid-19-death-or-serious-illness-remain-extremely-low-new-studies-find-11625785260?mod=djemalertNEWS
This is not a study of Delta, which is resulting in more serious infections.
There is zero evidence Delta is more severe for children. Stop.
Anonymous
07/31/2021 08:16
Subject: Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I just remind people that this disease isn’t that bad for children? It’s not.
Do you send your kids to school during flu outbreaks? Your kid with underlying medical conditions? You probably do, although from now on you may not because everyone is suddenly afraid of every child being at all ever sick.
Keep reminding yourself this, because it’s not going away.
Oklahoma pediatric ICUs are now full and are diverting to other states.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-children-risk-of-covid-19-death-or-serious-illness-remain-extremely-low-new-studies-find-11625785260?mod=djemalertNEWS
This is not a study of Delta, which is resulting in more serious infections.